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This is What Happens Without Mandatory Family Values

FreedomFromAll said:
Any conclusion that I made came from reading your posts. Is that simple enough?

And do not call me boss unless you are my employee.
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It's oversimplified.

You realize you get called boss to show how ridiculous your demand for humility is when you're the one who ought to be humble, right?
 
ALiberalModerate said:
Jesus Christ this is just crazy. Even North Korea and Nazi Germany was not that totalitarian. What a truly ****ed up worldview.
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Pragmatism is a screwed up worldview that's totalitarian. It's easy to get totalitarianism confused while believing in that.
 
bomberfox said:
Thats not how proper reasoning or proper policy works. Both must be considered.
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It is how proper reasoning works. Improper reasoning creates self-fulfilling prophecies out of fear.
 
bomberfox said:
None of this is ever going to become reality so you are just pissing in the wind.
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Generic derails don't help the conversation go anywhere.
 
XDU said:
To be fair, many child care workers aren't parents themselves. They work in child care because they love dealing with kids, but don't want their own.
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The point is, it won't matter if the parents have no income and cannot afford childcare.
 
danielpalos said:
The point is, it won't matter if the parents have no income and cannot afford childcare.
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That's not the issue at hand. The parents currently do have income and are spending it for a service while exploiting the service workers they're hiring.

The only way your argument would make sense here is if you're suggesting some customers are getting subsidies they don't deserve right now (especially since those subsidies encourage unappreciated attitudes such that they'll abuse service workers), so they need to get cut back, but I don't think that's what you mean.
 
XDU said:
That's not the issue at hand. The parents currently do have income and are spending it for a service while exploiting the service workers they're hiring.

The only way your argument would make sense here is if you're suggesting some customers are getting subsidies they don't deserve right now (especially since those subsidies encourage unappreciated attitudes such that they'll abuse service workers), so they need to get cut back, but I don't think that's what you mean.
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The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

At-will employment is generally described as follows: "any hiring is presumed to be 'at will'; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals 'for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all,' and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work."

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

That means requiring Cause in an at-will employment State is extra-Constitutional.
 
danielpalos said:
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

At-will employment is generally described as follows: "any hiring is presumed to be 'at will'; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals 'for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all,' and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work."

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

That means requiring Cause in an at-will employment State is extra-Constitutional.
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The employment issue isn't between the employer and employee. It's between the customer and employee in which the employee is being expected to deal with more than what the job description entails.
 
XDU said:
The employment issue isn't between the employer and employee. It's between the customer and employee in which the employee is being expected to deal with more than what the job description entails.
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It is about equal protection of the laws.

All laws of a general nature shall have uniform operation.
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XDU said:
The right to work alongside the right to have children should only be granted to people who graduate fully from public education in understanding how contracts and social contracts work.

In turn, part of that should include noting which adult retains the right to work when they get married, understanding that marriage going back to the paleolithic era was a means by which adults in clans, villages, and tribes secured childraising responsibilities.

If you have kids outside of marriage, your kids go to an orphanage and you become compelled to do community service that pays for that child's upbringing until they graduate from public education.
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This is absolutely wretched and you should feel bad.
 
So this entire thread's premise is basically an angsty 15 year old screeching "I DIDN'T ASK TO BE BORN"?
 
XDU said:
I think contracts should be enforced.
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What contracts?

Child care workers are not indentured servants. They can quit whenever they want..

What in the world are you talking about?
 
XDU said:
It's oversimplified.

You realize you get called boss to show how ridiculous your demand for humility is when you're the one who ought to be humble, right?
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You do realize that there is a rule against name calling?
 
Hamish Howl said:
So this entire thread's premise is basically an angsty 15 year old screeching "I DIDN'T ASK TO BE BORN"?
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The thread's premise is toddlers with the terrible twos don't ask to be born.

They throw fits in daycare while daycare workers are expected to deal with it. Those fits have gotten worse and worse over time, and instead of parents raising kids right, they're telling daycare workers to deal with it.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You do realize that there is a rule against name calling?
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What I realize is some people conduct themselves as if they have authority when they really don't.

Pointing that out is not name calling.
 
NolanVoyd said:
What contracts?

Child care workers are not indentured servants. They can quit whenever they want..

What in the world are you talking about?
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...the employment contract daycare workers sign which outlines their responsibilities.
 
XDU said:
Sarcasm and cynicism don't care, so they don't deserve to be cared about.
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Cynicism no, sarcasm yes. You just dont like being held to task.
 
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