Think About This and Tell me What you Think

[Luckyone]

For the sake of this discussion, lets say that the United States was split in two with a Republican Nation and a Democratic Nation.

The Republican nation would have a small government, low taxes, no regulations, a booming Stock Market, no climate change protection, expensive Health Care, no homosexuals. abortion abolished, and likely very little diversification among its people (few Blacks, Muslims, or Mexicans). In addition, immigration would be zero except for people that offered something of value. Greed and Capitalism being words of praise and last but not least, an education system that was also capitalized to where only the rich got educated.

The Democratic nation would have lots of regulations protecting everyone, a steady but low stock market value, a cleaner and healthier environment, more economic equality among the rich and poor, higher taxes, inexpensive Health Care for everyone, free education, equality among all races, religions, and colors, immigration based on quotas and opportunity for all. Giving and sharing would be words of praise.

Which of these 2 nations would grow the most over a period of 20 years and be the most successful overall?

 

[veritas1]

The entire premise is flawed because you make assumptions about each nation that are products of your own bias.

 

[Luckyone]

The entire premise is flawed because you make assumptions about each nation that are products of your own bias.

So far, each and every one of your posts has been a criticism of what I said, suggesting that if you prove me wrong then you must be right. You have yet to actually debate the issue with your opposing ideas of what is the correct way to look at things.

Critics are a "dime a dozen". Respect is given to those that can actually debate the issue with a view of the own and then back it up with facts, not opinion.

 

[ecofarm]

If either ideology worked alone, we wouldn't have the other.

 

[veritas1]

So far, each and every one of your posts has been a criticism of what I said, suggesting that if you prove me wrong then you must be right. You have yet to actually debate the issue with your opposing ideas of what is the correct way to look at things.

Critics are a "dime a dozen". Respect is given to those that can actually debate the issue with a view of the own and then back it up with facts, not opinion.

You asked which of those nations would do better by making broad assumptions about each one. I disagree that your assumptions are accurate. Therefore, the exercise is rather useless. I could make up two nations divided by party and make much different assumptions but that would be equally useless.

 

[sangha]

For the sake of this discussion, lets say that the United States was split in two with a Republican Nation and a Democratic Nation.

The Republican nation would have a small government, low taxes, no regulations, a booming Stock Market, no climate change protection, expensive Health Care, no homosexuals. abortion abolished, and likely very little diversification among its people (few Blacks, Muslims, or Mexicans). In addition, immigration would be zero except for people that offered something of value. Greed and Capitalism being words of praise and last but not least, an education system that was also capitalized to where only the rich got educated.

The Democratic nation would have lots of regulations protecting everyone, a steady but low stock market value, a cleaner and healthier environment, more economic equality among the rich and poor, higher taxes, inexpensive Health Care for everyone, free education, equality among all races, religions, and colors, immigration based on quotas and opportunity for all. Giving and sharing would be words of praise.

Which of these 2 nations would grow the most over a period of 20 years and be the most successful overall?

We already have the answer

 

[OscarLevant]

For the sake of this discussion, lets say that the United States was split in two with a Republican Nation and a Democratic Nation.

The Republican nation would have a small government, low taxes, no regulations, a booming Stock Market, no climate change protection, expensive Health Care, no homosexuals. abortion abolished, and likely very little diversification among its people (few Blacks, Muslims, or Mexicans). In addition, immigration would be zero except for people that offered something of value. Greed and Capitalism being words of praise and last but not least, an education system that was also capitalized to where only the rich got educated.

The Democratic nation would have lots of regulations protecting everyone, a steady but low stock market value, a cleaner and healthier environment, more economic equality among the rich and poor, higher taxes, inexpensive Health Care for everyone, free education, equality among all races, religions, and colors, immigration based on quotas and opportunity for all. Giving and sharing would be words of praise.

Which of these 2 nations would grow the most over a period of 20 years and be the most successful overall?

There's an old saying about programming computers, and it goes something like: Garbage In = Garbage Out


Might want to meditate on that, for a spell.

 

[Barnacle]

For the sake of this discussion, lets say that the United States was split in two with a Republican Nation and a Democratic Nation.

The Republican nation would have a small government, low taxes, no regulations, a booming Stock Market, no climate change protection, expensive Health Care, no homosexuals. abortion abolished, and likely very little diversification among its people (few Blacks, Muslims, or Mexicans). In addition, immigration would be zero except for people that offered something of value. Greed and Capitalism being words of praise and last but not least, an education system that was also capitalized to where only the rich got educated.

The Democratic nation would have lots of regulations protecting everyone, a steady but low stock market value, a cleaner and healthier environment, more economic equality among the rich and poor, higher taxes, inexpensive Health Care for everyone, free education, equality among all races, religions, and colors, immigration based on quotas and opportunity for all. Giving and sharing would be words of praise.

Which of these 2 nations would grow the most over a period of 20 years and be the most successful overall?

I think that statement alone had me almost rolling with laughter ...

 

[OscarLevant]

We already have the answer

So the conclusion we can draw from your graph is that the more politicians and lawyers you can squeeze into a small area, the higher the GDP?




Hah !

 

[veritas1]

So the conclusion we can draw from your graph is that the more politicians and lawyers you can squeeze into a small area, the higher the GDP?


Hah !

Good one. Yea, per capita GDP is a bit misleading. If you have a state (or district) with nobody in it, you'll have high per capita GDP.

 

[Luckyone]

You asked which of those nations would do better by making broad assumptions about each one. I disagree that your assumptions are accurate. Therefore, the exercise is rather useless. I could make up two nations divided by party and make much different assumptions but that would be equally useless.

Then let me reply with some facts.

1) Republican platform is small government
2) Low taxes is what Trump campaigned on and put into effect
3) No regulations is what Trump has been doing with his executive orders
4) Trump does not believe in Climate Change and the person he put as EPA director has been tearing down many of the protections put in place before
5) Health care by its very nature cannot be inexpensive if everyone (including people that are young and not sick) do not pay into it
6) Trump dismantled friendly LGBT policies
7) Republicans just put up a bill to ban 20-week abortions
8) Trump has personally attacked Mexicans and Muslims and has shown racism as a businessman
9) Trump has said that he wants immigration to be selective, based on who has something to offer the U.S. or not.
10) Capitalism is the Republican basic platform
11) Trumps Education chief wants to privatize the education system, meaning that only people that can afford education will get it.

As such, where in the Republican Nation I mention are there ANY assumptions?

I can do the same for the Democratic Nation points I mentioned, but first answer about your statement about my assumption on the Republican Nation

 

[soylentgreen]

For the sake of this discussion, lets say that the United States was split in two with a Republican Nation and a Democratic Nation.

The Republican nation would have a small government, low taxes, no regulations, a booming Stock Market, no climate change protection, expensive Health Care, no homosexuals. abortion abolished, and likely very little diversification among its people (few Blacks, Muslims, or Mexicans). In addition, immigration would be zero except for people that offered something of value. Greed and Capitalism being words of praise and last but not least, an education system that was also capitalized to where only the rich got educated.

The Democratic nation would have lots of regulations protecting everyone, a steady but low stock market value, a cleaner and healthier environment, more economic equality among the rich and poor, higher taxes, inexpensive Health Care for everyone, free education, equality among all races, religions, and colors, immigration based on quotas and opportunity for all. Giving and sharing would be words of praise.

Which of these 2 nations would grow the most over a period of 20 years and be the most successful overall?

You are deserving of the criticism. Especially over your assumption of stock market value. Only your own apparent bigotry would insist that your socially dysfunctional republic would have a high value while the other a low.

 

[Luckyone]

You are deserving of the criticism. Especially over your assumption of stock market value. Only your own apparent bigotry would insist that your socially dysfunctional republic would have a high value while the other a low.

Have you not been aware that low taxes on corporations and less regulations is the reason why the stock market is up. The opposite would make the market go lower. Simple mathematics.

 

[soylentgreen]

Have you not been aware that low taxes on corporations and less regulations is the reason why the stock market is up. The opposite would make the market go lower. Simple mathematics.

Not at all. A story told without any evidence of such. The reason stock markets are up is because the markets are manipulated. They merely buy and sell in a circle generating false profit without creating anything substantial in the way of actual wealth. American stock market is nothing more than a house of cards. Looks good but no real substance.

The stock market is also up as you call it in new zealand which has all the descriptions you have given to a democratic nation.
New zealand also happens to be among the lowest taxed countries in the OECD without any decrease in regulations of corporations. Another myth by you is busted.

 

[Bullseye]

For the sake of this discussion, lets say that the United States was split in two with a Republican Nation and a Democratic Nation.

The Republican nation would have a small government, low taxes, no regulations, a booming Stock Market, no climate change protection, expensive Health Care, no homosexuals. abortion abolished, and likely very little diversification among its people (few Blacks, Muslims, or Mexicans). In addition, immigration would be zero except for people that offered something of value. Greed and Capitalism being words of praise and last but not least, an education system that was also capitalized to where only the rich got educated.

The Democratic nation would have lots of regulations protecting everyone, a steady but low stock market value, a cleaner and healthier environment, more economic equality among the rich and poor, higher taxes, inexpensive Health Care for everyone, free education, equality among all races, religions, and colors, immigration based on quotas and opportunity for all. Giving and sharing would be words of praise.

Which of these 2 nations would grow the most over a period of 20 years and be the most successful overall?

You mean which of the two mindless stereotypes would do better?

 

[Mycroft]

For the sake of this discussion, lets say that the United States was split in two with a Republican Nation and a Democratic Nation.

The Republican nation would have a small government, low taxes, no regulations, a booming Stock Market, no climate change protection, expensive Health Care, no homosexuals. abortion abolished, and likely very little diversification among its people (few Blacks, Muslims, or Mexicans). In addition, immigration would be zero except for people that offered something of value. Greed and Capitalism being words of praise and last but not least, an education system that was also capitalized to where only the rich got educated.

The Democratic nation would have lots of regulations protecting everyone, a steady but low stock market value, a cleaner and healthier environment, more economic equality among the rich and poor, higher taxes, inexpensive Health Care for everyone, free education, equality among all races, religions, and colors, immigration based on quotas and opportunity for all. Giving and sharing would be words of praise.

Which of these 2 nations would grow the most over a period of 20 years and be the most successful overall?

Over a period of 20 years, the Republican nation will be more successful.

Here's why:

Low taxes, no regulations, no bleeding hearts will foster an environment in which its citizens will be free to make their own self-interested choices. That means its citizens will be happy and prosperous.

The controlling, stifling environment of the Democratic nation will induce its productive citizens to emigrate to the Republican nation. This means that "economic equity" will mean that only poor people will live there.

btw, why do you think blacks, Muslims or Mexicans won't come to the Republican nation? Do you think all of those groups are only interested in being poor?

 

[Luckyone]

Not at all. A story told without any evidence of such. The reason stock markets are up is because the markets are manipulated. They merely buy and sell in a circle generating false profit without creating anything substantial in the way of actual wealth. American stock market is nothing more than a house of cards. Looks good but no real substance.

The stock market is also up as you call it in new zealand which has all the descriptions you have given to a democratic nation.
New zealand also happens to be among the lowest taxed countries in the OECD without any decrease in regulations of corporations. Another myth by you is busted.

I am sorry to tell you this but you don't know what you are talking about.

I am and have been in stocks for 42 years. I was a broker/analyst for Merrill Lynch, Prudential Bache and Dean Witter and I am considered a charting expert in the market. Simply stated, there is absolutely nothing you can tell me about the market that I don't know. The DOW rallied over 9000 points, starting the day that Trump got elected. Why did that happen? because Trump offered lower taxes and deregulation, all of which help companies make more profits and therefore better results for stock prices.

Please do not talk when you are ignorant about the subject.

 

[veritas1]

Have you not been aware that low taxes on corporations and less regulations is the reason why the stock market is up. The opposite would make the market go lower. Simple mathematics.

The market went up under Obama, too.

 

[Luckyone]

You mean which of the two mindless stereotypes would do better?

Mindless stereotypes? No, that is not mindless.........that is the "general" basis/platform of each party.

And yes, I would like to get opinions on how these 2 basic platforms might do in the long run. I want to see how people would see a future if one or the other rules. I know it is somewhat of a fantasy question but it is based on the stated differences between Republicans and Democrats.

 

[Rich2018]

For the sake of this discussion, lets say that the United States was split in two with a Republican Nation and a Democratic Nation.

The Republican nation would have a small government, low taxes, no regulations, a booming Stock Market, no climate change protection, expensive Health Care, no homosexuals. abortion abolished, and likely very little diversification among its people (few Blacks, Muslims, or Mexicans). In addition, immigration would be zero except for people that offered something of value. Greed and Capitalism being words of praise and last but not least, an education system that was also capitalized to where only the rich got educated.

The Democratic nation would have lots of regulations protecting everyone, a steady but low stock market value, a cleaner and healthier environment, more economic equality among the rich and poor, higher taxes, inexpensive Health Care for everyone, free education, equality among all races, religions, and colors, immigration based on quotas and opportunity for all. Giving and sharing would be words of praise.

Which of these 2 nations would grow the most over a period of 20 years and be the most successful overall?

I would prefer a Democratic nation because I believe in Democracy as a form of government.

I would prefer a Democratic nation of full employment, social services, care for the sick and elderly - one that prefers to spend tax payers money on the people, not a military bigger than the rest of the world's militaries put together.

I would prefer to live in a just, caring, Democratic nation of freedom and quality of life.


Why would you or anyone want to live in a Republican nation where the rich have everything?

Where personal liberties are infringed on a daily basis

Where a small part of the population are allowed to own arsenals of weapons

Where there is a mass shooting virtually every DAY

A Republican nation that taxes the poor so the rich can get tax breaks and become even wealthier

Where only the rich can afford even the most basic healthcare

Where only the rich can get justice in the legal system...and only the rich escape the brutality of the police

Where minorities are actively discriminated against and those that do are protected by the courts



Bit of a no brainer. Live in a free, just and caring Democratic nation...or a poor, oppressed, sick, uneducated, uncaring and unjust Republican nation.

 

[late]

I'd remove the New Deal, and other programs that funneled endless billions into poor areas like the South.

Go back before FDR, and you will see what your low tax states are like without successful states to sink their fangs in. Back then some people in the South ate dirt. Seriously.

 

[Luckyone]

Over a period of 20 years, the Republican nation will be more successful.

Here's why:

Low taxes, no regulations, no bleeding hearts will foster an environment in which its citizens will be free to make their own self-interested choices. That means its citizens will be happy and prosperous.

The controlling, stifling environment of the Democratic nation will induce its productive citizens to emigrate to the Republican nation. This means that "economic equity" will mean that only poor people will live there.

btw, why do you think blacks, Muslims or Mexicans won't come to the Republican nation? Do you think all of those groups are only interested in being poor?

First let me thank you for being the first person to actually try to answer the question I asked. With this question I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone or even express my own feelings and thoughts. I am trying to find out how each party sees its platforms working out in the long run if totally successful in instituting those platforms.

Now, let me address your answer:

Low taxes, no regulations, no bleeding hearts will foster an environment in which its citizens will be free to make their own self-interested choices. That means its citizens will be happy and prosperous.

The controlling, stifling environment of the Democratic nation will induce its productive citizens to emigrate to the Republican nation. This means that "economic equity" will mean that only poor people will live there.

First of all, define "happy". I ask that question because in that environment everyone would be fighting each other to be more and get more than the other person. It would be an all out fight with the loser likely being ridiculed and perhaps even beaten down to a pulp emotionally. In addition, under that environment there would be little support for others as each person would not offer any help. Let the best win, would be the motto.

Productive citizens emigrate: Why would a productive citizen emigrate from a place where he is the top to a place where he would likely be at the bottom? Getting more of what you have does not guarantee happiness if you already have enough. In addition, when you are at the top, you get respect and even love, when you are at the bottom, especially in a super competitive place where money is God, people spit on you.

 

[Luckyone]

I would prefer a Democratic nation because I believe in Democracy as a form of government.

I would prefer a Democratic nation of full employment, social services, care for the sick and elderly - one that prefers to spend tax payers money on the people, not a military bigger than the rest of the world's militaries put together.

I would prefer to live in a just, caring, Democratic nation of freedom and quality of life.


Why would you or anyone want to live in a Republican nation where the rich have everything?

Where personal liberties are infringed on a daily basis

Where a small part of the population are allowed to own arsenals of weapons

Where there is a mass shooting virtually every DAY

A Republican nation that taxes the poor so the rich can get tax breaks and become even wealthier

Where only the rich can afford even the most basic healthcare

Where only the rich can get justice in the legal system...and only the rich escape the brutality of the police

Where minorities are actively discriminated against and those that do are protected by the courts



Bit of a no brainer. Live in a free, just and caring Democratic nation...or a poor, oppressed, sick, uneducated, uncaring and unjust Republican nation.

I also thank you for your answer but you did not answer the question itself. You stated what you personally liked but you did not state what you think the reasons are that the Democratic nation would do better than the Republican nation at the end of 20 years.

 

[soylentgreen]

I am sorry to tell you this but you don't know what you are talking about.

I am and have been in stocks for 42 years. I was a broker/analyst for Merrill Lynch, Prudential Bache and Dean Witter and I am considered a charting expert in the market. Simply stated, there is absolutely nothing you can tell me about the market that I don't know. The DOW rallied over 9000 points, starting the day that Trump got elected. Why did that happen? because Trump offered lower taxes and deregulation, all of which help companies make more profits and therefore better results for stock prices.

Please do not talk when you are ignorant about the subject.

For that you just may be an expert in the market yet you have no clue on how debate works. By the very fact that you have just use an appeal to authority fallacy. It is not your credentials that prove your argument all you have done there is state you know, without giving any evidence of knowing.

Even your argument is laughable. It as not the lowering of taxes that give markets a boost but merely the promise of lowering the taxes that caused a flurry in the stocks and had people buying on a promise. Your markets are nothing more than the exchange of promises not actual wealth.

Please do not debate when you demonstrate such a poor understanding of how to.

 

[Luckyone]

For that you just may be an expert in the market yet you have no clue on how debate works. By the very fact that you have just use an appeal to authority fallacy. It is not your credentials that prove your argument all you have done there is state you know, without giving any evidence of knowing.

Even your argument is laughable. It as not the lowering of taxes that give markets a boost but merely the promise of lowering the taxes that caused a flurry in the stocks and had people buying on a promise. Your markets are nothing more than the exchange of promises not actual wealth.

Please do not debate when you demonstrate such a poor understanding of how to.

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