'They quit after a few hours': Farmers admit they can't find American workers

[Questerr]

Better they be able to prey on their fellow prisoners? I thought we were in favor of them being protected from such things?

Weird how the rest of the first world manages to deal with violent criminals in prison without inhumane policies, but you think it's impossible.

 

[Chomsky]

My paternal grandfather died when I was about 7 or 8, I suppose. I do have some good memories of him, reading the "funny papers" to me on Sunday mornings if I happened to be visiting. Letting me tag along while he put in an extremely large garden, and taking a break with him under the trees, drinking ice cold well water.



My maternal grandfather was a union organizer, back when that sometimes took baseball bats...and guns. A childhood friend of mine had a Winchester rifle in .44-40 caliber. Octagon barrel and full rifle- not a carbine. It was in almost new condition. Which is understandable, as it was issued to his grandfather or great grandfather during the Virden massacre, put away and never used again.

We often think of unions as a northern or eastern big-city urban thing, often associated with Chicago. Haymarket Square and Pullman, come to mind.

But we can't forget some of the central epochal union battles took place in rural Central & Southern Illinois (Herrin).

 

[RF667799]

We often think of unions as a northern or eastern big-city urban thing, often associated with Chicago. Haymarket Square and Pullman, come to mind.

But we can't forget some of the central epochal union battles took place in rural Central & Southern Illinois (Herrin).

Not just in Illinois. Matewan, WV comes to mind. BTW, damn good movie if you can find it.

 

[RF667799]

Weird how the rest of the first world manages to deal with violent criminals in prison without inhumane policies, but you think it's impossible.

Your assessment of "inhumane" is your subjective opinion. One could argue that locking up anyone at all and restricting their movements like a zoo animal is "inhumane".

 

[Hamish Howl]

I didn't say what my race is, never have.

What gives you any indication that I am white?

Do you label all races as only acting a certain way?

If I had to guess your race, it would be "Mongidig".

 

[KevinKohler]

My paternal grandfather was a coal miner. He's buried in a place of honor, just steps from the tomb of Mother Jones. Coal mining was largely work done by an underclass back then. Poorly paid and poorly treated employees who were often virtual slaves. By the time I was 18 in the 70s, it was a well paying, desirable blue collar job.

Most likely because of unions applying upward pressure.

 

[RF667799]

Most likely because of unions applying upward pressure.

I believe that is certainly the case.

 

[Questerr]

Your assessment of "inhumane" is your subjective opinion. One could argue that locking up anyone at all and restricting their movements like a zoo animal is "inhumane".

No, it isn't. Solitary confinement has been determined to be inhumane by every human rights organization on the planet.

 

[RF667799]

No, it isn't. Solitary confinement has been determined to be inhumane by every human rights organization on the planet.

Oh. Other people agree with your subjective opinion. Well that's different...

 

[BirdinHand]

No, it isn't. Solitary confinement has been determined to be inhumane by every human rights organization on the planet.

I think there is a difference between solitary confinement and putting people in a single cell and allowing them minimal contact with others.

It would be unfair to another inmate to house them in a cell with a violent repeat offender that is likely to harm them.

Prisoners kept in maximum security locations in single cells and isolated have often earned that level of containment by repeat offenses, even while within the prison system.

 

[Questerr]

Oh. Other people agree with your subjective opinion. Well that's different...

Yeah they definitely don't have literal mountains of evidence showing solitary confinement is psychological torture or anything.

 

[Questerr]

I think there is a difference between solitary confinement and putting people in a single cell and allowing them minimal contact with others.

It would be unfair to another inmate to house them in a cell with a violent repeat offender that is likely to harm them.

Prisoners kept in maximum security locations in single cells and isolated have often earned that level of containment by repeat offenses, even while within the prison system.

There isn't. And something like Supermax conditions are extreme outliers.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

You do know that all of our food doesn't come from the Central Valley don't you?

The Central Valley provides 25% of the entire nation's food supply.

And it supplies 40% of the nation's fruits.

It's considerable.

 

[SoCal]

Oh My God, we are all going to starve because white people don't know how to pick strawberries!!

The end of the world is here.

They know how, they just refuse to endure backbreaking work for undocumented immigrant wages.

Back on planet earth, we are all going to pay more for strawberries and other agricultural products...

 

[multivita-man]

Good job MAGAs/MAGA kids who, you know, eat.



"In a deep dive focusing on one farmer who voted for Trump, 36-year-old J.J. Ficke of Kirk, Colorado, the Washington Post is reporting that he along with other farmers are facing possible ruination now that the round-up of immigrants have begun in earnest and promised helpis uncertain."

...

"The federal government had promised JJ a $200,000 grant ... "But then Trump, in the earliest days of his second term, threatened to break tens of thousands of those deals, suspending billions in agricultural funding and decimating the staffs that managed it. Swept up in the freeze was JJ and the $50 million grant program he’d signed up for along with 140 other farmers across the country."

...

Noting, "JJ had joined 81 percent of Yuma County’s voters in supporting Trump, whom he considered the better of two bad options," the report added, "JJ’s grant was frozen in late January as top administrators considered whether to cancel it. Over the next two months, more than 20 farmers requested $4 million owed to them, according to documents reviewed by The Post. None were paid."

'They quit after a few hours': Farmers admit they can't find American workers

In interviews with the Washington Post, multiple farmers expressed their dismay with the loss of farm workers under Donald Trump's harsh immigration policies and his administration's waffling on subsidies.In a deep dive focusing on one farmer who voted for Trump, 36-year-old J.J. Ficke of Kirk...

www.rawstory.com

This is what I've been saying: yes, we can find Americans to replace the migrants, but we're not going to keep them on those farms once they realize how hard the work is. We'd have to pay them substantially more than what migrants are getting paid and that would probably cut into the profitability of a lot of farms.

 

[multivita-man]

Oh My God, we are all going to starve because white people don't know how to pick strawberries!!

The end of the world is here.

White people know how to mine for coal. But not white person wants to do the work.

 

[Girlpower]

White people know how to mine for coal. But not white person wants to do the work.

That's not racist at all.

 

[Girlpower]

They know how, they just refuse to endure backbreaking work for undocumented immigrant wages.

Back on planet earth, we are all going to pay more for strawberries and other agricultural products...

So no white people like to work hard huh?

 

[Girlpower]

The Central Valley provides 25% of the entire nation's food supply.

And it supplies 40% of the nation's fruits.

It's considerable.

Nice reply but irrelevant to my comment.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

Nice reply but irrelevant to my comment.

No it isn't.

If the Central Valley can't get people to work farms then a huge chunk of the U.S.'s food supply is gone, or drastically diminished.

 

[Girlpower]

No it isn't.

If the Central Valley can't get people to work farms then a huge chunk of the U.S.'s food supply is gone, or drastically diminished.

There are 66 million hispanics living in America, I'm sure they can get a few of them to pick your strawberries.

 

[RF667799]

Yeah they definitely don't have literal mountains of evidence showing solitary confinement is psychological torture or anything.

Well let's not do something that violent miscreants don't like. You don't think it affects someone psychologically to remove them from society at large and place them in an insular, violent society?

Look. I don't care if you want to let violent miscreants rape and kill each other in prison. I don't think it's particularly humane, but apparently you figure that differently. I just don't want them inflicting their depraved violence on innocents in society at large. That's priority one. So put them into some sort of close contact confinement with each other if it makes you happy.

 

[Peter]

No, it's human nature to have empathy for people who aren't just loved ones or close friends. But conservatism is a form of sociopathy.

Prison policy should be based on the fact that inhumane conditions don't deter crime, they just make society worse and immoral.

Republicans would be appalled by prisons in Norway which actually treat people with respect.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Ever seen how hard a dishwasher works in a busy restaurant?

You do know that all of our food doesn't come from the Central Valley don't you?

Why can't they find other workers?

So why can't they come here legally to work?

Didn't we have to bail them out when they had their illegal workers?

And what would there be to bail out if their farms close?

They still won't be putting out any food will they?

No point in growing strawberries if nobody will buy them right?

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

There are 66 million hispanics living in America, I'm sure they can get a few of them to pick your strawberries.

This thread is about how farmers can't find the workers they used to find, and not being able to retain any American workers on farms.

Which has implications since the CA supplies a huge amount of food for the entire nation.