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They Can't Lie and Deny This

Excast said:
Mo Brooks, at the January 6th rally, telling the crowd their ancestors shed blood and gave their lives to defend America. He then asks if they are willing to do the same and fight for America.



And Trump has consistently downplayed the actions of his supporters and claimed they are being politically persecuted.
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“No president is the answer. Mass movements are the answer. We can, and must, fight. It will require each and every one of us, from the streets to the Senate.”- AOC
Politicians say "we must fight" all the time.

Still waiting for a quote by Trump approving the riot.
 
bubbabgone said:
How about lying by the media about a sitting President? Is that unconscionable?
Can you give me a quote from someone on FOX voicing approval of the riot?
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Mr. Gone, do you really need someone to answer these questions? Why would you need someone to answer these questions when you can face reality by yourself.

No one is disputing that these were, indeed, text messages sent to Meadows.
Meadows was in the oval office with trump the entire afternoon of J6.
Fox News entertainment personalities sent texts to Meadows telling him to get trump off his butt.
Laura and Sean cooked up a LIE about antifa that very same evening and the footage from the riot was banned from FOX viewers.

So you need a quote, otherwise what? WIthout a quote from FOX, you can't understand what actually happened? Without a quote, you are free to engage in your ostrich defence? I didn't see anything so it must not be true?

Callen and Excast just sent a reminder, it's up to you to use your own brain .
 
bubbabgone said:
“No president is the answer. Mass movements are the answer. We can, and must, fight. It will require each and every one of us, from the streets to the Senate.”- AOC
Politicians say "we must fight" all the time.

Still waiting for a quote by Trump approving the riot.
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You don't need a quote, You just need an open mind.
 
Callen said:
The media's job is to hold politicians' feet to the fire not to defend them and make excuses for them and that includes sitting Presidents. Fox seems to get that when it comes to Biden. If you think Fox's handling of this issue (the attack on the Capitol while in session and Trumps response) in terms of informing their audience factually was appropriate media coverage then nothing I can say will change that.
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Nothing you said answers what I asked.
 
Indydave said:
Trump can be blamed but the real issue is this is what millions of Americans want......and these Americans have always been a part of America.....they were silenced for the most part in the 1960's but when Fox and Limbaugh and the Christian Coalition came along they found a voice......and that voice is Fox
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Yeah- this is a difficult issue which I don't think the founding fathers of this country ever anticipated: what do you do when large numbers of people living in a democracy no longer wish to have a democracy- and democratically vote to undermine it?

"May you live in interesting times".
 
soap box said:
Mr. Gone, do you really need someone to answer these questions? Why would you need someone to answer these questions when you can face reality by yourself.

No one is disputing that these were, indeed, text messages sent to Meadows.
Meadows was in the oval office with trump the entire afternoon of J6.
Fox News entertainment personalities sent texts to Meadows telling him to get trump off his butt.
Laura and Sean cooked up a LIE about antifa that very same evening and the footage from the riot was banned from FOX viewers.

So you need a quote, otherwise what? WIthout a quote from FOX, you can't understand what actually happened? Without a quote, you are free to engage in your ostrich defence? I didn't see anything so it must not be true?

Callen and Excast just sent a reminder, it's up to you to use your own brain .
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without having a quote to support a claim you shouldn't make the claim.
 
bubbabgone said:
“No president is the answer. Mass movements are the answer. We can, and must, fight. It will require each and every one of us, from the streets to the Senate.”- AOC
Politicians say "we must fight" all the time.

Still waiting for a quote by Trump approving the riot.
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Do you honestly think that generically talking about "fighting" is the same as going before a riled up mob and asking them if they are willing to shed blood and die?
 
Excast said:
Do you honestly think that generically talking about "fighting" is the same as going before a riled up mob and asking them if they are willing to shed blood and die?
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I honestly think you don't understand what you heard. More likely you got yourself riled up by someone else's mischaracterization of what was said.

Fighting "from the streets to the Senate.” would sound serious if you were a child unfamiliar with what politicians say and were looking for something to be riled up about.
 
bubbabgone said:
without having a quote to support a claim you shouldn't make the claim.
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That is a fake stall, and diversion. Go get your own quote if you need it so bad. You don't want to know reality and this is your way of stubbornly resisting the truth so that you can continue to praise the guy who started all this trouble. Besides, Excast quoted Brooks for you.
 
soap box said:
That is a fake stall, and diversion. Go get your own quote if you need it so bad. You don't want to know reality and this is your way of stubbornly resisting the truth so that you can continue to praise the guy who started all this trouble. Besides, Excast quoted Brooks for you.
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I already replied about Brooks.
Appears you have nothing of substance to support what I can only surmise was your claim since you pretty much admit it was only in "your own brain".
 
Donald Trump Jr. texted Meadows begging him to tell Trump to call off the riot. The President’s son could only reach his dad through Meadows. Huh.
 
bubbabgone said:
I already replied about Brooks.
Appears you have nothing of substance to support what I can only surmise was your claim since you pretty much admit it was only in "your own brain".
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The problem is yours. You are not facing the facts,
Those are real texts from real people to Meadows on Jan 6.
The texts are pleading with Meadows to get Trump to call off the dogs.
Those are real and true facts but you don't like them enough to realize that your sham demand for a quote is only so that you can spout more BS.
Besides, as I can see now you have been sent 2 quotes and you only wanted quotes so that you can continue lying about the orange sun God.
 
Cardinal said:
Donald Trump Jr. texted Meadows begging him to tell Trump to call off the riot. The President’s son could only reach his dad through Meadows. Huh.
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Yeah, and earlier on the 6th Jr. said to the crowd and warned Republicans who certified Biden's election that 'the GOP was no longer their party' and that 'we are coming for you'...

Then hours later those same people went to the Capitol and threatened to kill politicians who certified the election..

Jr's hands are just as dirty as Sr's...
 
soap box said:
The problem is yours. You are not facing the facts,
Those are real texts from real people to Meadows on Jan 6.
The texts are pleading with Meadows to get Trump to call off the dogs.
Those are real and true facts but you don't like them enough to realize that your sham demand for a quote is only so that you can spout more BS.
Besides, as I can see now you have been sent 2 quotes and you only wanted quotes so that you can continue lying about the orange sun God.
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I believe the texts are real. They wanted Trump to make a public statement and he did.
Do any of the texts approve of the riot? Of course not. And you still haven't shown any that have. If you watched any of their shows you'd know they never have. It's only in "your own brain".
 
bubbabgone said:
How about lying by the media about a sitting President? Is that unconscionable?
Can you give me a quote from someone on FOX voicing approval of the riot?
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soap box said:
Mr. Gone, do you really need someone to answer these questions? Why would you need someone to answer these questions when you can face reality by yourself.

No one is disputing that these were, indeed, text messages sent to Meadows.
Meadows was in the oval office with trump the entire afternoon of J6.
Fox News entertainment personalities sent texts to Meadows telling him to get trump off his butt.
Laura and Sean cooked up a LIE about antifa that very same evening and the footage from the riot was banned from FOX viewers.

So you need a quote, otherwise what? WIthout a quote from FOX, you can't understand what actually happened? Without a quote, you are free to engage in your ostrich defence? I didn't see anything so it must not be true?

Callen and Excast just sent a reminder, it's up to you to use your own brain .
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I think they just fail to understand that pidgeonholing tactics don't look nearly as clever to other people as they think they are.

They - and I mean the Trumpists who use this stupid crap - really do seem to believe that it's effective to pretend a topic is about this one tiny narrow question in a question as to which they think they actually have the *winning* answer. They lose on everything else, so they have to insist the entire discussion is about their stupid little debate nugget.

(And that's ignoring all the cases they try to simultaneously reframe the debate such that they're focused a micro-nugget of some other question you weren't talking about, which is what bubba is doing).


bubbabgone said:
How about lying by the media about a sitting President? Is that unconscionable?
Can you give me a quote from someone on FOX voicing approval of the riot?
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Pro-tip: discussion is about Trump/Fox whipping Trumpists up and cheering on a literal coup attempt, right until Fox liars realize that they went too far and start begging Meadows to get Trump to call off his traitors.

It's not media statements about a president that you don't like because of the letter next to his name.
 
LOL . . .
I mean i get the release of new info etc etc but at this point how much does it matter

its 12/14/2021

all normal, honest, educated objective people right left and center condemn 1/6 and see it for the vile failed insurrection it was
all normal, honest, educated objective people right left and center understand that FOX is one of many BS news orgs right and left out there that are actually dishonest propaganda

the people that dont are moonbat, sheep, tin foil hat, dishonest, and or ignorant nutters . . . and facts, reality, science etc has no effect on them . . . . .they can only see ass crack of whoever ass their face is buried in

I mean look around . . not just on line but in real life . . . do you know anybody right left or center who you respect, has integrity and that you think is an honest, educated objective person say 1/6 was no big deal or that FOX is honest quality news?
I certainly dont and that includes a boatload of republicans. They would never say that because they arent stupid enough or dishonest enough.
 
bubbabgone said:
I believe the texts are real. They wanted Trump to make a public statement and he did.
Do any of the texts approve of the riot? Of course not. And you still haven't shown any that have. If you watched any of their shows you'd know they never have. It's only in "your own brain".
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Do you know how long it took trump to make the video that finally sent them home?
Did you read the Eastman memo that ties this all together?
Did you read the sections from the power point memo that Meadows recieved in his email?
Did you know that one of the texts the select committee has discovered is from another lawmaker who texted Meadows on January 7th, saying, sorry, nothing worked out like we wanted?
Are you aware of the meetings led by Guiliana and Bannon ant the Willard hotel on the 5th?
Did you know Ted Cruz was ready to be the senator that would join the coup in front of the EC, God and country?

Yes these facts are in my head, but not in yours? One of us is so biased that they refuse to accept facts because finding out what trump was up to is too disheartening to bear.
 
The title of the OP is They Can't Lie and Deny This.
And they go and lie and deny it anyway.
This is plenty of proof to me that trumpworld is another planet.
 
RealityNow said:
Trump should be immediately jailed, tried and executed for the highest penalty for Treason. He led, fed and stood by in support after promoting sedition, subversion and terrorist attack upon American Democracy and Our United States Capitol and Elected Politicians, with intentions and agenda to Hang the Vice President Mike Pence, to try AGAIN another means to steal the election and enact a Coup D'état to install himself in the seat of Our Presidency.
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bubbabgone said:
I believe the texts are real. They wanted Trump to make a public statement and he did.
Do any of the texts approve of the riot? Of course not. And you still haven't shown any that have. If you watched any of their shows you'd know they never have. It's only in "your own brain".
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This isn't an episode of Perry Mason where the accused stands up and rattles off a speech where they admit their wrongdoing, or a movie where the villain openly explains their plan.
This is real life, with real criminals, real mobsters and real despots, neither of which EVER actually utter "the words".
What a mob boss does is they signal their pleasure and displeasure in code.
 
Excast said:
Mo Brooks, at the January 6th rally, telling the crowd their ancestors shed blood and gave their lives to defend America. He then asks if they are willing to do the same and fight for America.



And Trump has consistently downplayed the actions of his supporters and claimed they are being politically persecuted.
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Wow, Putin claimed the same thing. Peas in a pod those two bromancers.
 
soap box said:
these facts are in my head, but not in yours? One of us is so biased that they refuse to accept facts because finding out what trump was up to is too disheartening to bear.
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Beyond biased I truly believe these facts never make it into their "news" feeds. They are woefully uninformed by media source that controls their thinking.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
This isn't an episode of Perry Mason where the accused stands up and rattles off a speech where they admit their wrongdoing, or a movie where the villain openly explains their plan.
This is real life, with real criminals, real mobsters and real despots, neither of which EVER actually utter "the words".
What a mob boss does is they signal their pleasure and displeasure in code.
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When it suits them MAGAts are quick to bring out the, "watch what they do, not what they say" card.

This time Trump's lack of response tells us he approved the protest turned riot. He wouldn't even respond for hours after Meadows starting receiving emails/texts to intervene to stop it.

I expect the next excuse to be that Trump wasn't aware of the texts Meadows was receiving. Like the President wasn't watching it live on TV himself.
 
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