There's Something One Needs To Understand About Mr. Romney's 47%

[Drake McHugh]

The house is responsible for spending. Everyone knows that. Well,everyone except for low-info Demographic party hacks.

 

[Campbell]

No. The "common denominator" is federal spending that exceeds federal revenue. The Iraq war (2003-2011 with 4,488 deaths) was no more unnecessary than the Vietnam war (1955-1975 with 58,209 deaths).

You're full of it! Reagan slashed taxes to levels not seen in 50 years...actually increased his spending, congress gave him less than he proposed seven of the eight years. After Bush 41 Clinton raised tax rates in 1993 while he still had a Democratic congress and straightened everything out. Then along came Bush43, cut taxes on the wealthy not once but twice started two wars....one totally unnecessary then doubled the national debt from $5.7 to nearly $12 trillion. It's the taxes which kept the budget in decent shape. Screw the Republican party. In 30 years they've destroyed the middle class and spent foreign dollars like a drunk sailor. The Republican party used to balance it's budgets.....now the only thing they do is keep on spending and constantly gripe about taxes being too high:

 

[ttwtt78640]

You're full of it! Reagan slashed taxes to levels not seen in 50 years...actually increased his spending, congress gave him less than he proposed seven of the eight years. After Bush 41 Clinton raised tax rates in 1993 while he still had a Democratic congress and straightened everything out. Then along came Bush43, cut taxes on the wealthy not once but twice started two wars....one totally unnecessary then doubled the national debt from $5.7 to nearly $12 trillion. It's the taxes which kept the budget in decent shape. Screw the Republican party. In 30 years they've destroyed the middle class and spent foreign dollars like a drunk sailor. The Republican party used to balance it's budgets.....now the only thing they do is keep on spending and constantly gripe about taxes being too high:

Will you ever stop with your partisan nonsense? Obama is outspending (relative to taxation) even the "evil" Bush43 and accumulating debt at a new record pace. Where is your outrage over that? You accuse me of defending republicants, which I have not done, BTW - I oppose any federal "budget" that treats all federal spending as needed yet federal taxation to cover that spending as a mere option to be delayed "until things get better".

 

[Campbell]

Will you ever stop with your partisan nonsense? Obama is outspending (relative to taxation) even the "evil" Bush43 and accumulating debt at a new record pace. Where is your outrage over that? You accuse me of defending republicants, which I have not done, BTW - I oppose any federal "budget" that treats all federal spending as needed yet federal taxation to cover that spending as a mere option to be delayed "until things get better".

You people should quit living in your hermetically sealed Fox News bubble. All the president had to do was end a war or two. When some manufactured enemy who has been invaded 10,000 miles from home is wiping out million dollar weapons by the dozen first thing you know it has gotten to be expensive. If the damned Republican house would approve the president's spending proposals we could rebuild our bridges, dams, levees, electrical grids, Interstate highways, schools, etc. The Republican party has morphed into the party of the rich and corporations.

The good news..........your asses have been found out.

 

[ttwtt78640]

You people should quit living in your hermetically sealed Fox News bubble. All the president had to do was end a war or two. When some manufactured enemy who has been invaded 10,000 miles from home is wiping out million dollar weapons by the dozen first thing you know it has gotten to be expensive.

Is it pretty picture time again?

 

[CRUE CAB]

Most of them didn't have health insurance and many of the ones who did actually couldn't afford it. The fact is that 500 companies in America make money off of sick people and we still stack up 37th in the world when evaluated for longevity and general health. Many of them own no computer and wouldn't know how to use it if they did. Just because the 70%-80% view on one of these forums leans right doesn't mean that the Republicans will ever win another national election. They live in an isolated bubble with the Fox News echo chamber.

Just like the Dems did in the 70s.
It will come back around again, I clearly remember the democratic party being called dead after Jimmy Carter.

 

[Campbell]

Is it pretty picture time again?

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Why sure...at the end of the last Bush fy the annual interest on the total debt was $451 billion dollars. I have news for you....80% of that debt was accrued by Reagan and the Bushes. Sorry to break your rich man supporting heart but you're loaded with horse ****.....You know what? Right now the T Party Republicans are putting the finishing touches on their failing asses. They've lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. The only demographics Romney won were white men and folks over 65. Since folks over 65 are dying 100 times faster than folks under 30 and since in a couple of decades whites will become a minority the end is near.

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[ttwtt78640]

Why sure...at the end of the last Bush fy the annual interest on the total debt was $451 billion dollars. I have news for you....80% of that debt was accrued by Reagan and the Bushes. Sorry to break your rich man supporting heart but you're loaded with horse ****:

That 80% meme requires ignoring the Obama contribution, but you knew that too. You must get off the moronic "the rich" do not pay their "fair share" nonsense. The top 10% now pay 71% of all federal income taxes (on 43% of the total income), yet the reamining 90% pay only 29% of all federal income taxes (on 57% of the total income).

Top 10 Percent of Earners Paid Majority of US Tax Percentage

 

[Campbell]

That 80% meme requires ignoring the Obama contribution, but you knew that too. You must get off the moronic "the rich" do not pay their "fair share" nonsense. The top 10% now pay 71% of all federal income taxes (on 43% of the total income), yet the reamining 90% pay only 29% of all federal income taxes (on 57% of the total income).

Top 10 Percent of Earners Paid Majority of US Tax Percentage

It would be different if you paid a goddam bill every once in a while but ever since Reagan you people enjoy the lowest tax rates in 50 years, keep on starting wars and fighting them 10,000 miles from home in oil country. I quit the Republican party after thirty years. I even voted for Reagan one time but when I was a Republican they stood for balanced budgets, small government and individual liberty. That's something today's Republican party doesn't even know the meaning of......much less try to do it. I voted for Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon three times then Reagan once. I wouldn't vote for another one of the back stabbing assholes again on a bet.

 

[Arbo]

It would be different if you paid a goddam bill every once in a while but ever since Reagan you people enjoy the lowest tax rates in 50 years,

This is a total denial of what you just responded to. Who cares what the rate is? The top 10 percent pay more than remaining 90% of the country, by a LARGE portion. Good lord, just say "I hate the rich and want to punish them," as that's what it comes down to.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Most of them didn't have health insurance and many of the ones who did actually couldn't afford it. The fact is that 500 companies in America make money off of sick people and we still stack up 37th in the world when evaluated for longevity and general health. Many of them own no computer and wouldn't know how to use it if they did. Just because the 70%-80% view on one of these forums leans right doesn't mean that the Republicans will ever win another national election. They live in an isolated bubble with the Fox News echo chamber.

Romney's 47% referred to the country, some 300 plus million people - even with the worse case numbers expressed by Obama and Democrats in the healthcare debate was that between 30 and 40 million people didn't have health insurance. How then do you come up with "most" of them not having health insurance or not being able to afford it?

 

[ttwtt78640]

It would be different if you paid a goddam bill every once in a while but ever since Reagan you people enjoy the lowest tax rates in 50 years, keep on starting wars and fighting them 10,000 miles from home in oil country. I quit the Republican party after thirty years. I even voted for Reagan one time but when I was a Republican they stood for balanced budgets, small government and individual liberty. That's something today's Republican party doesn't even know the meaning of......much less try to do it. I voted for Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon three times then Reagan once. I wouldn't vote for another one of the back stabbing assholes again on a bet.

Nice rant there, Skippy, but I make about $16K in a good year now. If you think Obama and the demorats are any better, which it sure seems that you do, you are only kidding yourself. Nearly all of our congress critters now seem to be beholden to those that supply them the massive campaign cash needed to keep them in power, yet the sheeple return 90% of them to office in every election cycle.

 

[Campbell]

This is a total denial of what you just responded to. Who cares what the rate is? The top 10 percent pay more than remaining 90% of the country, by a LARGE portion. Good lord, just say "I hate the rich and want to punish them," as that's what it comes down to.

After seeing this chart and having come from the upper middle class myself I've learned the real meaning of GREED. The chart reminds me of the character Gordon Gekko in the movie Wall Street.

In the 1940's and '50's a corporate executive earned 15 or 20 times what a plumber or electrician made. By the late 60's that multiplier had broken 100 times as much. Now an average corporate CEO makes about 400 times what an ordinary American worker gets paid. This is part and parcel of what has happened to the middle class in our country.

 

[trfjr]

The government pays more for any service it provides the electorate. That's the only reason private industry and the wealthy don't already control everything. If the corporations and wealthy had their way we would already be a Lord/Serf society. We get closer every day.

no you rather live under a King/Subject society. No one is forcing you to buy from corporations. no one is making you support corporations

 

[trfjr]

After seeing this chart and having come from the upper middle class myself I've learned the real meaning of GREED. The chart reminds me of the character Gordon Gekko in the movie Wall Street.

In the 1940's and '50's a corporate executive earned 15 or 20 times what a plumber or electrician made. By the late 60's that multiplier had broken 100 times as much. Now an average corporate CEO makes about 400 times what an ordinary American worker gets paid. This is part and parcel of what has happened to the middle class in our country.

look at the chart you posted fool. every time corporations earnings increased so did everyone else and when the corporations earnings dropped so did everyone else

i guess you think the year of 2002 was a good year because the gap between the rich and the poor got smaller even though the poor got poorer

Shows Margaret Thatcher was right when she said "Liberals don't care if the poor get poorer and the rich get poorer as long as the gap between the two gets smaller"

 

[Campbell]

look at the chart you posted fool. every time corporations earnings increased so did everyone else and when the corporations earnings dropped so did everyone else

i guess you think the year of 2002 was a good year because the gap between the rich and the poor got smaller even though the poor got poorer

Shows Margaret Thatcher was right when she said "Liberals don't care if the poor get poorer and the rich get poorer as long as the gap between the two gets smaller"

You're a dumbass. In 1979 a six pack of beer was $1.50 and ten pounds of potatoes was about $1.25. Now a six pack is over $4.00 and ten pounds of potatoes is four times what it was. Earnings for what used to be the middle class has been stagnant when adjusted for inflation. You're just another dimwit who lives in the Fox News bubble.

If you believe that the upper 10% of earners in this country ever worry about payroll taxes, gasoline or the price of potatoes you need to get your head screwed back on at a different angle.

 

[Fenton]

Republicans stopped believing in the
average American when Ronald Reagan was elected the second time. At that time it should have been very obvious that he was cutting tax rates for the wealthy, never cutting spending a dime and borrowing from foreign banks to cover the shortfall. That my friend is effectively funneling borrowed money into the hands of the wealthiest citizens in America. Clinton had it almost straightened out then George W. Bush cut taxes for the wealthy again...twice, using reconciliation to block Democrat opposition and doubled the national debt after Reagan and his daddy had quadrupled it.


Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

LOL !"!

Ypu keep posting that nonsensical chart.

And it looks like youv'e been given your crayons back.

It's HILLARIOUS because you ignore Obama's spending, his increase in structural debt by 7 TRILLION.

Truly hackish Campbell.

Hey I hope your'e not related to my all time favorite Running Back and the best Power Back to ever play the game, Earl Campbell.

That would be truly unfortunate.

 

[Campbell]

LOL !"!

Ypu keep posting that nonsensical chart.

And it looks like youv'e been given your crayons back.

It's HILLARIOUS because you ignore Obama's spending, his increase in structural debt by 7 TRILLION.

Truly hackish Campbell.

Hey I hope your'e not related to my all time favorite Running Back and the best Power Back to ever play the game, Earl Campbell.

That would be truly unfortunate.

LMAO!!! You folks just keep on spewing your goddam lies from the Republican bubble. All that is required is to end a war or two and cut off some of Halliburton, Blackwater and Dick Cheney's profits.

 

[Arbo]

After seeing this chart and having come from the upper middle class myself I've learned the real meaning of GREED. The chart reminds me of the character Gordon Gekko in the movie Wall Street.

Irrelevant to the reality that the top earners pay the vast majority of the taxes that the government collects. The greed thing is just party line BS, and of course extremely apparent jealousy.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

They'll be insured next year when ObamaCare is fully implemented. By the way...why is it you guys never mention Reagan proposing a national health care program and the fact that Romney set one up for an entire state. Just party stuff I suppose.

Except Obamacare won't be fully implemented next year. Obama keeps ripping it apart because he knows it won't work.

 

[Arbo]

LMAO!!!

What was the increase in total debt during the time Obama has been in office? A simple question.

 

[Campbell]

What was the increase in total debt during the time Obama has been in office? A simple question.

When a president begins with an annual interest payment of a half a trillion dollars of interest on the existing debt(Reagan and the Bushes) what the **** do you expect?

During Obama's first budget year add $451 billion of interest. That's over half of the Defense budget. It's four times what we spend on education and the infrastructure combined. Just what part of the woods do they find your dumbasses?

 

[Arbo]

When a president begins with an annual interest payment of a half a trillion dollars of interest on the existing debt(Reagan and the Bushes) what the **** do you expect?

During Obama's first budget year add $451 billion of interest. That's over half of the Defense budget. It's four times what we spend on education and the infrastructure combined. Just what part of the woods do they find your dumbasses?

Since you did not answer, I will ask one more time.

What was the increase in total debt during the time Obama has been in office? A simple question.

If you do not know the answer, simply say as much. Thanks.

 

[Fenton]

LMAO!
!! You folks just keep on spewing your goddam lies from the Republican bubble. All that is required is to end a
war or two and cut off some of Halliburton, Blackwater and Dick Cheney's profits.

Campbell, you have to be one of the MOST DISHONEST posters here.

In your little chart there, youv'e included Obama's MASSIVE additions to Bush's 2009 Budget.

Bush passed 3 out of 12 Budget resolutions for 2009, Obama and the corrupt Democrats passed the rest.

Youv'e attributed Obama's 400 BILLION Omnibus addition to Bush's 2009 Budget.

It doesn't count Obama's " stimulus" or the fact that through Perpetual QE he's loaded up banks with TRILLIONS in statuc liquidity.

You forget who your'e talking too, I'm not a Democrat and I can add, which is more than I can say for the average Obama supporter.

And your Halliburton nonsense ? LOL !!

You DO realize Halliburtons first " No-Bid" contract was given to them by Clinton right ? Yup. During his Kosovo distraction.

And Iraq ? LOL !!

BILL CLINTON said in 1998..." If saddam rejects peace and we have to use force our purpose is clear, we want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION".

Damn Campbell, do you believe your own lies ? Are you that corrupted by your partisan beliefs that you can't even distinguish fact from ficition ?

In all the political forums I've participated in I've never run across another poster so blatantly dishonest.