There's Only One Way To Read The Data: Right Wing Terrorism Is An Existential Threat To American Life

[skews13.]

Two, by God. Two mass shootings in one weekend in September. One in Michigan and one in North Carolina. At least seven dead and 13 wounded. Both shooters were veterans of our most recent wars, and both apparently were right-wing terrorists of different creeds. The Michigan suspect had some profound and virulent hatred of Mormons. He not only shot up a Mormon church but also burned it down. In North Carolina, the suspect apparently was convinced that LGBTQ+ citizens were conspiring against him, so he opened up on a waterfront bar from a boat on the water. Two mass shootings in less than 24 hours, each of them a hate crime.

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[RedFishBlueFish]

Two, by God. Two mass shootings in one weekend in September. One in Michigan and one in North Carolina. At least seven dead and 13 wounded. Both shooters were veterans of our most recent wars, and both apparently were right-wing terrorists of different creeds. The Michigan suspect had some profound and virulent hatred of Mormons. He not only shot up a Mormon church but also burned it down. In North Carolina, the suspect apparently was convinced that LGBTQ+ citizens were conspiring against him, so he opened up on a waterfront bar from a boat on the water. Two mass shootings in less than 24 hours, each of them a hate crime.

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The informed among our population understand there is more terrorism on the right than on the left. But MAGAs refuse to see the truth. To them, it's the left that is an existential threat.

 

[Phys251]

Two, by God. Two mass shootings in one weekend in September. One in Michigan and one in North Carolina. At least seven dead and 13 wounded. Both shooters were veterans of our most recent wars, and both apparently were right-wing terrorists of different creeds. The Michigan suspect had some profound and virulent hatred of Mormons. He not only shot up a Mormon church but also burned it down. In North Carolina, the suspect apparently was convinced that LGBTQ+ citizens were conspiring against him, so he opened up on a waterfront bar from a boat on the water. Two mass shootings in less than 24 hours, each of them a hate crime.

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Remember all the outcry when ONE of MAGA's own was shot? Now when it's two of their own doing the shooting, silence. Deafening silence.

 

[dmpi]

The only true way to determine a shooters motives is to examine what they write on their bullet casings.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Two, by God. Two mass shootings in one weekend in September. One in Michigan and one in North Carolina. At least seven dead and 13 wounded. Both shooters were veterans of our most recent wars, and both apparently were right-wing terrorists of different creeds. The Michigan suspect had some profound and virulent hatred of Mormons. He not only shot up a Mormon church but also burned it down. In North Carolina, the suspect apparently was convinced that LGBTQ+ citizens were conspiring against him, so he opened up on a waterfront bar from a boat on the water. Two mass shootings in less than 24 hours, each of them a hate crime.

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Well, I could engage in "whataboutism" referring to the more numerous Left-wing acts of violence, but I'll stick to the subject matter provided.

First, your reference clearly indicates mental issues with the second shooter who "was convinced that LGBTQ+ citizens were conspiring against him." That doesn't "apparently indicate" a "right wing" individual, it actually indicates a person suffering from mental health issues.

Second, Mormons are typically considered Conservative Americans.

Mormons Most Conservative Major Religious Group in U.S.​

Mormons Most Conservative Major Religious Group in U.S.

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or Mormons, are the most conservative major religious group in the country, with 59% identifying as conservative, 31% as moderate, and 8% as liberal.

news.gallup.com

It is unlikely a "conservative" would target another set of "conservatives" for a terrorist attack.

Note: Just because someone served in the U.S. Military does not also mean that they are conservatives themselves. People of all persuasions serve in the Military.

 

[Deuce]

of course, it's always "mental illness" when right wingers do it.

 

[Schweddy]

Remember all the outcry when ONE of MAGA's own was shot?

I don't actually. It had nothing to do with politics.
The outcry was against extreme left persons laughing that a fellow human being was murdered in cold blood over his opinion.

Deafening silence.

Expect more of it, there is not an equivalence here.

 

[Phys251]

I don't actually. It had nothing to do with politics.
The outcry was against extreme left persons laughing that a fellow human being was murdered in cold blood over his opinion.

Bullshit. The Far Right was literally calling for war even before Kirk's body was cold.

Expect more of it, there is not an equivalence here.

So these deceased aren't as valuable as Kirk's life. Got it. We understand your side ranks human life according to hierarchy.

 

[Phys251]

Well, I could engage in "whataboutism" referring to the more numerous Left-wing acts of violence, but I'll stick to the subject matter provided.

First, your reference clearly indicates mental issues with the second shooter who "was convinced that LGBTQ+ citizens were conspiring against him." That doesn't "apparently indicate" a "right wing" individual, it actually indicates a person suffering from mental health issues.

Second, Mormons are typically considered Conservative Americans.

Mormons Most Conservative Major Religious Group in U.S.​

Mormons Most Conservative Major Religious Group in U.S.

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or Mormons, are the most conservative major religious group in the country, with 59% identifying as conservative, 31% as moderate, and 8% as liberal.

news.gallup.com

It is unlikely a "conservative" would target another set of "conservatives" for a terrorist attack.

Note: Just because someone served in the U.S. Military does not also mean that they are conservatives themselves. People of all persuasions serve in the Military.

Do you deny that the Far Right is much more violent than the Far Left? Or did you support the DOJ's decision to remove one of those reports that indicate this?

 

[Schweddy]

Bullshit. The Far Right was literally calling for war even before Kirk's body was cold.

The hysteria really hit after the far left folks put those celebrations on TikTok/X/Facebook.

Nothing new. It's common for you to attempt to rewrite history.

So these deceased aren't as valuable as Kirk's life. Got it. We understand your side ranks human life according to hierarchy.

This logic fallacy is why you lost the election.

 

[Phys251]

The hysteria really hit after the far left folks put those celebrations on TikTok/X/Facebook.

Nothing new. It's common for you to attempt to rewrite history.

You're telling me that showing the loud outcry from the Right immediately after Kirk got shot was "rewriting history"?

This logic fallacy is why you lost the election.

Nice deflection after having lost a point.

 

[Maccabee]

The hysteria really hit after the far left folks put those celebrations on TikTok/X/Facebook.

Nothing new. It's common for you to attempt to rewrite history.


This logic fallacy is why you lost the election.

Celebrating the death of a prominent political figure is slightly different than calling for civil war in response.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

The only true way to determine a shooters motives is to examine what they write on their bullet casings.

AFTER the FBI under Kash Patel has had access to them, amirite?

 

[Schweddy]

You're telling me that showing the loud outcry from the Right immediately after Kirk got shot was "rewriting history"?

Nope. I'm telling you the loud outcry was from both parties after the far left laughed and celebrated.

To claim that the reaction was based solely on his politics isn't understanding why the response was so huge.

Nice deflection after having lost a point.

I'm not deflecting anything.

I said exactly what happened and then you came up with some bullshit idea about political opinions having greater life over another?
That mentality is exactly why there was an outcry.

It was about a HUMAN BEING being killed and then laughed at based on opinions. You know, the 1st Amendment?

It had nothing to do with MAGA or conservative. Most people consider that evil.

 

[Schweddy]

Celebrating the death of a prominent political figure is slightly different than calling for civil war in response.

It was seen as celebrating the murder of a human being for their opinions.

The vast majority of people didn't know or care what his ideas were about.

 

[Maccabee]

It was seen as celebrating the murder of a human being for their opinions.

The vast majority of people didn't know or care what his ideas were about.

Still, it's a bit different. I'll even go as far as to say that if the general civil war rhetoric was "we must prepare to defend ourselves from marauding leftist gangs", I'd give it an eye roll and move on. However the rhetoric was largely calls for offensive acts of violence, which is a bit more concerning.

 

[Schweddy]

However the rhetoric was largely calls for offensive acts of violence, which is a bit more concerning.

I believe YOU believe that. It wasn't the case.

Sure there were extremes, there always is but those extremes do not reflect the masses.

It was the mass volume and intensity of the people laughing as though a human life was completely worthless because they had a different opinion along with saying it like they believed everyone would feel the same way was very scary.
Boy, did many of them find out the hard way. Some still think "the man is trying to keep them down"...

The fact that what you felt came out of that event was "largely calls of right offensive acts of violence" is even more concerning to me.
There must be dozens of you.

 

[Maccabee]

I believe YOU believe that. It wasn't the case.

Sure there were extremes, there always is but those extremes do not reflect the masses.

They do reflect the voices calling for civil war, which is what I'm talking about.

It was the mass volume and intensity of the people laughing as though a human life was completely worthless because they had a different opinion along with saying it like they believed everyone would feel the same way was very scary.

And what exactly is your point? People celebrating the death of someone is covered by the first amendment. That isn't what this thread is about. It's about domestic terrorism and who represents the majority of those who commit acts of terrorism. Unless you're trying to suggest that a meme showing Kirk's lifeless body is equivalent to J6 or democratic politicians being shot and killed, I'd suggest to stay on topic.

Boy, did many of them find out the hard way. Some still think "the man is trying to keep them down"...

The fact that what you felt came out of that event was "largely calls of right offensive acts of violence" is even more concerning to me.
There must be dozens of you.

I was focusing on the civil war rhetoric.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Still, it's a bit different. I'll even go as far as to say that if the general civil war rhetoric was "we must prepare to defend ourselves from marauding leftist gangs", I'd give it an eye roll and move on. However the rhetoric was largely calls for offensive acts of violence, which is a bit more concerning.

I did not always agree with Charlie Kirk, he was too "religious based" for my reasoned/rational viewpoint.

But all he did was speak, exercising a right guaranteed in the USA by the very First Amendment of our Constitution.

The counter to speech is other speech, not violence, and certainly not assassination.

All that proved is that the perpetrator(s) were incapable of providing a well-reasoned argument or position, and out of frustration resorted to deadly violence.

 

[Schweddy]

They do reflect the voices calling for civil war, which is what I'm talking about.

To be completely honest, I didn't hear anyone call for civil war. I have zero doubts at least one person said it.

And what exactly is your point? People celebrating the death of someone is covered by the first amendment.

You're right. I tried to explain the uproar with Kirk because someone said it was silent here about it being "one of their own". It was said as though there is an equivalence.
There is not. I tried to explain it and saw the double down.

You got caught in the crossfire.

 

[Maccabee]

To be completely honest, I didn't hear anyone call for civil war. I have zero doubts at least one person said it.

You weren't in the right (pun intended) online circles. Hell, even a coworker of mine expressed some concern about an upcoming civil war and what preparations he's done to get ready if things go down.

You're right. I tried to explain the uproar with Kirk because someone said it was silent here about it being "one of their own". It was said as though there is an equivalence.
There is not. I tried to explain it and saw the double down.

You got caught in the crossfire.

I'm not going to pretend that there wasn't a loud minority on the left celebrating, however you need to define "celebrating" because the definition expanded to people simply criticizing Kirk as a person.

 

[Maccabee]

I did not always agree with Charlie Kirk, he was too "religious based" for my reasoned/rational viewpoint.

But all he did was speak, exercising a right guaranteed in the USA by the very First Amendment of our Constitution.

The counter to speech is other speech, not violence, and certainly not assassination.

I agree to a point. I'm not saying that Kirk deserved to be shot, but there is such a thing as stochastic terrorism and cultivating a hateful environment with your speech. It's still covered by the first amendment, but it's speech that can lead to violence.

All that proved is that the perpetrator(s) were incapable of providing a well-reasoned argument or position, and out of frustration resorted to deadly violence.

There's reason to believe the shooter was more of a Nick Fuentes follower than a "true blue" leftist. Time will tell what his politics truly lie.

 

[Schweddy]

You weren't in the right (pun intended) online circles.

Fair. However, people didn't have to be in any online circles with the murder of Charley Kirk to see the celebrations of people from the extreme left.

I'm not going to pretend that there wasn't a loud minority on the left celebrating, however you need to define "celebrating" because the definition expanded to people simply criticizing Kirk as a person.

People can celebrate if they wish all day long. It's not illegal and within the bounds of the constitution.

Doing it in public or online will have consequences if it is unpopular. What happened was very unpopular.
That is what created the uproar. Not the murder itself.

 

[Maccabee]

Fair. However, people didn't have to be in any online circles with the murder of Charley Kirk to see the celebrations of people from the extreme left.


People can celebrate if they wish all day long. It's not illegal and within the bounds of the constitution.

Doing it in public or online will have consequences if it is unpopular. What happened was very unpopular.
That is what created the uproar. Not the murder itself.

Again, you need to define "celebrating" so that way we're on the same page. If they're more or less equivalent to 9/11 jokes then I'm going to have to disagree with you.

 

[Schweddy]

Again, you need to define "celebrating" so that way we're on the same page. If they're more or less equivalent to 9/11 jokes then I'm going to have to disagree with you.

Quick search, I don't feel comfortable sharing more.

There are hundreds of them.