Guy Incognito
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If the government collects data about you without interfering with your person or property, they haven't violated your rights!
If the government collects data about you without interfering with your person or property, they haven't violated your rights!
There is no right to privacy. All rights arise out of bodily sovereignty, including the right to own property. The right to own property is how privacy arises, the right to own property means that the government or a third party cannot search or seize your property without a warrant. This is not a right to privacy, however. Privacy is merely a side effect.
With all the talk about the right to privacy, lately, not many people seem to know what they are talking about. If the government collects data about you without interfering with your person or property, they haven't violated your rights!
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
There is no right to property either.
There is no right to privacy. All rights arise out of bodily sovereignty, including the right to own property. The right to own property is how privacy arises, the right to own property means that the government or a third party cannot search or seize your property without a warrant. This is not a right to privacy, however. Privacy is merely a side effect.
With all the talk about the right to privacy, lately, not many people seem to know what they are talking about. If the government collects data about you without interfering with your person or property, they haven't violated your rights!
if true, my fist could enforceable remove your head from the physical space I would like to temporarily possess.
what a civilized world we would live in without the right to property
There is no right to privacy. All rights arise out of bodily sovereignty, including the right to own property. The right to own property is how privacy arises, the right to own property means that the government or a third party cannot search or seize your property without a warrant. This is not a right to privacy, however. Privacy is merely a side effect.
With all the talk about the right to privacy, lately, not many people seem to know what they are talking about. If the government collects data about you without interfering with your person or property, they haven't violated your rights!
Meh. Privacy and property are rights only if we decide they are.
There is no right to property either.
I remember reading somewhere about the right of the people to be secure in their papers too.
And I wonder how that's to best be interpreted in the modern age.
I know, "Curse those Founders for not prognosticating the eventual invention of wireline, then wireless communication, the Internet, GPS, and whatever comes next".
But I think the best we can do absent some 18th century analog to modern technology is to study the Founders' intent based upon mediums of communication in use at the time they developed our system of government.
In light of that, the government has no more business snooping in on my telephone calls and email, without a warrant, than they have opening my mail.
There is no right to privacy. All rights arise out of bodily sovereignty, including the right to own property. The right to own property is how privacy arises, the right to own property means that the government or a third party cannot search or seize your property without a warrant. This is not a right to privacy, however. Privacy is merely a side effect.
With all the talk about the right to privacy, lately, not many people seem to know what they are talking about. If the government collects data about you without interfering with your person or property, they haven't violated your rights!
sorry.. according to the founding fathers, there is a right to property.
meaning the right to acquire it.
life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.......happiness translates into property says the court.
Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature.---samual adams
There is no right to privacy. All rights arise out of bodily sovereignty, including the right to own property. The right to own property is how privacy arises, the right to own property means that the government or a third party cannot search or seize your property without a warrant. This is not a right to privacy, however. Privacy is merely a side effect.
With all the talk about the right to privacy, lately, not many people seem to know what they are talking about. If the government collects data about you without interfering with your person or property, they haven't violated your rights!
Privacy exiats as a right with in that framework.
That's a good point. I'm trying to think it through -- if LE walks in your home and exceeds the scope of its search warrant, no one goes to jail. It's just that whatever they collected cannot be used against you. Nor can anything they later find because they found that inadmissible whatever. I'm not sure that's the 'end of the story' but I do understand what you're saying.
Well you gave all that stuff up voluntarily to google, or verizon, or whoever. So it is their papers, not yours.
Except that they have a warrant.
Or notThere is no right to privacy. All rights arise out of bodily sovereignty, including the right to own property. The right to own property is how privacy arises, the right to own property means that the government or a third party cannot search or seize your property without a warrant. This is not a right to privacy, however. Privacy is merely a side effect.
You don't sayWith all the talk about the right to privacy, lately, not many people seem to know what they are talking about.
In some cases yes, in others no.If the government collects data about you without interfering with your person or property, they haven't violated your rights!
You are correct and he is wrong on that. The right has been construed to be the right to not have it used against you. They could do a warrantless search of your property and take things and use it against Turtledude. He would have no remedy and you could only sue them civilly, though the public outcry against any standing policy as to such searches would likely have them criminalized by state or local law pretty quick.
This is in the philosophy forum for a reason, because it is not about the law it is about the philosophy of rights.
Strange that your op is all about the government and what they can and cannot do if it is "not about the law". Even stranger that the "philosophy" part is utterly absent from the same OP that is supposedly all about it.
Strange that you don't undeattend what political philosophy is, or that the fact that the post is in the philosophy forum might imply that it is about philosophy. Now stay on topic and quit your disruptive trolling.
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