Theologists How to Explain the Webb Telescope

[Exquisitor]

Sure, sure. Look, I didn't mean to push the "proselytize" button. Let's just let it go, ok?

Well, people should know their resources and rulers.

 

[jaypatriot]

You look up in the sky and see moon, sun, stars, planets, and figure what would happen, if a mountain fell into the sea.

Of course, most of the time this happens, the ark builder turns out to be nothing more than mad.

Of course, most ark builders only save a few domestic species.

Thanks for explaining the Great Flood to me.

 

[Fearandloathing]

The majority of christians believe the bible is apocryphal rather than literal. Stories and myths written to make points and teach lessons rather than convey actual facts.

Yes, the narrative has changed dramatically since Christians stopped burning witches. The story is becoming harder & harder to sell to an enlightened society, especially the record of Christianity in history. They have been a human plague, exporting myth, torture, superstition and thinly veiled mysticism, demanding their definition of "morality" be adhered to around the world.

So blessed are they that thousands have been 'blessed' with their sexual attention. When they hang a Pope for a few centuries of covering up a plague of sexual abuse, then I will give consideration of their claims. But they will have to resolve the issue of how homosexuality was openly practiced across the Mediterranean at the time of Christ, but never managed to even comment on it. For all we know Jesus may have been gay.

But to condemn people while practicing same in private disqualifies them from any influence on society. I don't follow hypocrites.

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[Fearandloathing]

The Bible is a marvelous document which billions have known about for the past 1900 years. Full of great stories. Does every Christian believe those stories?
You tell me.

Not this one. The damn thing is a lie from beginning to end. Further, the "Bible" as it is known is not all of the story, in fact what we have today was the Guttenberg issue, which is only part of what the Roman Church has in its dungeons. We don't know what else was in there...in fact we have no certainty that the copy we have was written by the people said to have. Yet the styles vary through as though by different writers. For a book that has such great influence we know almost nothing. And the church wants to keep it that.

 

[it's just me]

Theologists how to explain the Webb Telescope? "God did it," right? Isn't that how they "explain" everything?

Atheists have their own version of that: " it just happened".

 

[it's just me]

A
A Classic. One has to wonder though,who is crazier: god/s or their followers?

There are no "gods" in that movie, just human beings.

 

[Gordy327]

There are no "gods" in that movie, just human beings.

Yes, I am aware of that. But the people in the movie believed in gods.

Atheists have their own version of that: " it just happened".

Atheists do not say that. At least not to my knowledge. I certainly do not.

 

[Exquisitor]

Thanks for explaining the Great Flood to me.

You're very welcome, it's what I do, it took me forty years to figure it out, and DP helps out a lot, I get to develop my ideas with pier review and community feedback.

I learned about the 2807 date from a PBS show, it was a three mile wide comet that left a eighteen mile crater.

Another PBS show led me to conclude that Israel is the remnants of Jericho.

 

[it's just me]

Yes, the narrative has changed dramatically since Christians stopped burning witches. The story is becoming harder & harder to sell to an enlightened society, especially the record of Christianity in history. They have been a human plague, exporting myth, torture, superstition and thinly veiled mysticism, demanding their definition of "morality" be adhered to around the world.

So blessed are they that thousands have been 'blessed' with their sexual attention. When they hang a Pope for a few centuries of covering up a plague of sexual abuse, then I will give consideration of their claims. But they will have to resolve the issue of how homosexuality was openly practiced across the Mediterranean at the time of Christ, but never managed to even comment on it. For all we know Jesus may have been gay.

But to condemn people while practicing same in private disqualifies them from any influence on society. I don't follow hypocrites.

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You follow Trudeau.

 

[Galactic Spin]

How do believers in the Bible claiming the Earth was made in 6 days and 6,000 years ago. I am not being antagonistic, but it has long been a question I never get an answer to. It has to come up sometime, somewhere. Dinosaurs ruled the Earth for millions of years and yet no comment from any religions anywhere.

The same way they plug every hole in their mythology:

"It's magic!"

 

[Galactic Spin]

Atheists have their own version of that: " it just happened".

Wrong. Atheists don't claim that's an explanation. The very next thing out of their mouths is, "How? We don't know.". Then, they try to find out. You can just say "scientists" instead of atheists. No need to try to obfuscate.

 

[Gordy327]

The same way they plug every hole in their mythology:

"It's magic!"

Or "God did it." Or maybe with "God works in mysterious ways."

 

[Galactic Spin]

Or "God did it." Or maybe with "God works in mysterious ways."

Yep. Which is just a reiteration of:

"It's magic!"

 

[Galactic Spin]

The majority of christians believe the bible is apocryphal rather than literal. Stories and myths written to make points and teach lessons rather than convey actual facts.

Except for the parts about believing in the zombie god to secure eternal life. They seem to take those parts pretty literally.

 

[tosca1]

How do believers in the Bible claiming the Earth was made in 6 days and 6,000 years ago. I am not being antagonistic, but it has long been a question I never get an answer to. It has to come up sometime, somewhere. Dinosaurs ruled the Earth for millions of years and yet no comment from any religions anywhere.

It's your thread title that caught my attention - so let me respond to it:

Perhaps, decades ago - someone had also asked -
How do Christians explain the Hubble telescope?


We know what the hubble had eventually shown us:
the world had a beginning.
The universe is stretching.
Both are stated in the Bible.


So, how do I explain the Webb? What is there to explain?
Who knows what the Webb telescope could show us a few years from now.
This new telescope could be peeling the next layer of skin from the onion.

 

[tosca1]

How do believers in the Bible claiming the Earth was made in 6 days and 6,000 years ago. I am not being antagonistic, but it has long been a question I never get an answer to. It has to come up sometime, somewhere. Dinosaurs ruled the Earth for millions of years and yet no comment from any religions anywhere.

Here's a long, detailed response from a Christian site:

This Mission Shows the Foolishness of Atheism​

On the other hand, the atheistic secularists advocating for purely naturalistic objectives have actually suppressed this biblical truth (Romans 1:18–21) and altogether rejected God as the ultimate authority.
Instead of submitting to God, they have turned to the religion of materialistic atheism (and secular humanism) to answer the fundamental questions posed by the JWST program (“How did the universe begin,” etc.),
thus further reducing themselves to absurdity and foolishness (Psalm 14:1).

Nonetheless, many of the (very smart) atheists working on the JWST obviously still used scientific principles to develop and launch this amazing telescope into space (and were quite good at it).
So, in reality, they had to be inconsistent with their own worldview and borrow these principles from the biblical worldview, including rationality and logic, thus exposing the complete foolishness of the atheistic worldview.
This also shows that the “atheist” is not actually an atheist at all but is rather self-deceived and really does know God in their “heart of hearts.”

Conclusion​

There’s no doubt that this accomplishment of successfully building and launching the JWST is an amazing feat of hard work and ingenuity that will continue to be a great challenge over the next several years of operation.
As a former aerospace engineer, I take my hat off to all those involved with this exciting project. And even though the media at NASA continue to push its evolutionary agenda with JWST, this mission ultimately glorifies God
and points to his creative works.


And just a side note to further show how awesome our God really is, as previously stated, the JWST uses an array of mirrors to gather light to see objects in faraway galaxies, but did you know that God designed scallops to see in the same manner? In other words, the JWST uses a similar mirror design that has existed in the eyes of scallops since the beginning (Day Five) of creation!

A Biblical Response to the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) Launch

The expected benefits from the new NASA telescope, the naturalistic assumptions integrated into its mission, and the only way to make sense of scientific investigation: God.

answersingenesis.org

 

[rhinefire]

What specifically are you looking for?

The question is what are believers in things that there is no proof, none, zero of looking for? Intelligent people of science hang their proof out for all the world to see. Go to a museum to learn something.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Here's a long, detailed response from a Christian site:

This Mission Shows the Foolishness of Atheism​

On the other hand, the atheistic secularists advocating for purely naturalistic objectives have actually suppressed this biblical truth (Romans 1:18–21) and altogether rejected God as the ultimate authority.
Instead of submitting to God, they have turned to the religion of materialistic atheism (and secular humanism) to answer the fundamental questions posed by the JWST program (“How did the universe begin,” etc.),
thus further reducing themselves to absurdity and foolishness (Psalm 14:1).

Nonetheless, many of the (very smart) atheists working on the JWST obviously still used scientific principles to develop and launch this amazing telescope into space (and were quite good at it).
So, in reality, they had to be inconsistent with their own worldview and borrow these principles from the biblical worldview, including rationality and logic, thus exposing the complete foolishness of the atheistic worldview.
This also shows that the “atheist” is not actually an atheist at all but is rather self-deceived and really does know God in their “heart of hearts.”

Conclusion​

There’s no doubt that this accomplishment of successfully building and launching the JWST is an amazing feat of hard work and ingenuity that will continue to be a great challenge over the next several years of operation.
As a former aerospace engineer, I take my hat off to all those involved with this exciting project. And even though the media at NASA continue to push its evolutionary agenda with JWST, this mission ultimately glorifies God
and points to his creative works.


And just a side note to further show how awesome our God really is, as previously stated, the JWST uses an array of mirrors to gather light to see objects in faraway galaxies, but did you know that God designed scallops to see in the same manner? In other words, the JWST uses a similar mirror design that has existed in the eyes of scallops since the beginning (Day Five) of creation!

A Biblical Response to the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) Launch

The expected benefits from the new NASA telescope, the naturalistic assumptions integrated into its mission, and the only way to make sense of scientific investigation: God.

answersingenesis.org

100 laugh emojis

Just insane

 

[The Baron]

The question is what are believers in things that there is no proof, none, zero of looking for? Intelligent people of science hang their proof out for all the world to see. Go to a museum to learn something.

You really know nothing of science, do you? You certainly don't understand how it works or you would never have posted such a thing.

Have a nice day.

 

[Galactic Spin]

You really know nothing of science, do you? You certainly don't understand how it works or you would never have posted such a thing.

Have a nice day.

Please, tell us how science works.

 

[The Baron]

Please, tell us how science works.

I don't think you'd understand.

 

[Galactic Spin]

I don't think you'd understand.

Why would that be? You know nothing about me.

Give us the cliff's notes. Let's hear it.

 

[Ivan Denisovich]

Hello--new poster here and I read through this entire thread but did not see a great Christian response to the original post and lots of atheist responses.

My background is from the Eastern Orthodox Churches, I am just a lay person and do not consider myself an expert on theology or doctrine, but have read a good bit of the writers (modern and historical) of our Church.

I think it could be useful to break down each of the assertions the original post makes:

1. Earth was created in 6 days -- Not all Christians believe this. The Orthodox churches for example would largely say there are differing interpretations of what the day timeline in Genesis means, and disagreements of it would likely not rise to the level that it would cause churches to stop being in communion with one another.

2. Earth was created 6000 years ago -- Not all Christians believe this. The Orthodox churches, like with the 6 day timeline, would not take any strong stance on this issue. Some Orthodox believers are aware of the timeline that Archbishop Ussher created which is the primary basis for the 6000 year argument. There is nothing in this analysis which is core to the faith, and disagreements about it would not cause one church to view the other as schismatic, at least among the Orthodox Churches. While I know less about the other Christian groups, my understanding is this is a similar view to the Roman church and at least some of the Protestant churches.

3. Dinosaurs ruling the earth for millions of years with no comment from religious people at all -- This is not true, there have been Orthodox Bishops and Priests who have spoken about dinosaurs and other prehistoric life. They do not find any reason to doubt dinosaurs existed on earth, millions of years ago, and that they long predated humans.

All I have done here is say "hey, not all Christians believe these three things", I will try to go a little more in depth so please bear with me.

The view that Genesis is a literal history of events, and further that we know exactly when and what those events were, in sequence, is a view that treats Genesis as a historical record. My view, and the view of many Orthodox Christians and probably many other Christians, is that Genesis was not made part of inerrant scripture for the purpose of telling a history of events. Even without any science at all, it is easy to arrive at a conclusion that Genesis was not intended as a historical record. Our view is it was intended as a source of theological truth, and the important theological truths are the understanding that all of creation was created by God, that humans were created by God, and other important theological truths of Genesis. The age of the earth, the number of 24 hour earth days in the creation sequence, the history of the animals and such is not core Christian theology, and thus one can interpret them freely without being schismatic or heretical. It is just fine if you want to believe it was 6000 years ago and through some unknowable divine mystery, all evidence shows it was much longer, but it is also valid (and my belief) that creation was many billions of our years ago and earth and its life was formed over billions of years.

The more advanced our science becomes, the stronger it makes my faith in God and it aligns very tightly with Orthodox doctrine. Orthodox believe we are on a path to theosis, or oneness and likeness to God. It is my belief that many things in the bible are presented in a way for us to understand, because 2000 years ago we could only comprehend in certain ways. Even now we can only comprehend a little better. Galileo had this same view--learning about God's creation through science actually can bring us closer to God. God's divine nature is not knowable to us living humans, but we do believe that we are all on a journey towards knowing it, and that this journey continues in death.

 

[tosca1]

100 laugh emojis

Just insane

You don't agree with discoveries by the Hubble?



It's insane indeed, if you don't give any rational explanation what it is you find so hilarious that you'd give 100 laugh emojis!
Who'd burst out laughing out like that ......................................without any reason? Only the insane.

 

[Logician Man]

You don't agree with discoveries by the Hubble?



It's insane indeed, if you don't give any rational explanation what it is you find so hilarious that you'd give 100 laugh emojis!
Who'd burst out laughing out like that ......................................without any reason? Only the insane.