The worlds newest dictator

[MSgt]

:mrgreen: Don't feel bad. Some great people have stood where you're standing now.

Though, none as grrrreat as me...smart-ass.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

And? For all we know, he would have held an election after the coup if it had been successful. That's certainly what he did when he got out. Do you believe that Chavez is a dictator right now?

I believe he wants to be he and his part are attempting to create a one party authoriatarian system in place of the former Democracy and do away with elections, history repeats himself one needs look no further than the actions of Castro.

Nationalization, silenting dissidents, doing away with elections because of an imagined conspiracy against him, restriction of the press, he's doing all this and more it's almost like he's following the Castro Blueprint.

 

[Kelzie]

Though, none as grrrreat as me...smart-ass.

Had your frosted flakes today? :lol:

 

[Kelzie]

I believe he wants to be he and his part are attempting to create a one party authoriatarian system in place of the former Democracy and do away with elections, history repeats himself one needs look no further than the actions of Castro.

Nationalization, silenting dissidents, doing away with elections because of an imagined conspiracy against him, restriction of the press, he's doing all this and more it's almost like he's following the Castro Blueprint.

First of all, lots of countries have nationalized industries. That doesn't mean anything.

He has lots of dissidents

The elections were fair.


None of this matters. There's no way for me to prove that he won't be a dictator and there's no way for you to prove he will be. Neither of us can tell the future. As long as you don't think he's a dictator now, there's no point.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

First of all, lots of countries have nationalized industries. That doesn't mean anything.

He has lots of dissidents

The elections were fair.

So were Hitlers, it doesn't change the fact that after being elected he created a totalitarian regime.

None of this matters. There's no way for me to prove that he won't be a dictator and there's no way for you to prove he will be. Neither of us can tell the future. As long as you don't think he's a dictator now, there's no point.

Actually there is his party just took control over parliament are are putting through a bill to do away with term limits.

Supreme Count

To solidify his control over the Venezuelan Supreme Court, Chávez passed legislation in May 2003 to increase the number of Supreme Court Justices from 20 to 32 and appointing another 5 vacant posts, giving him a clear majority in the judicial branch of the government. He also allowed for the appointment of 32 reserve justices, all of which are loyal to him. It should also be noted that former justices were forced to resign after several "politically sensitive rulings". Many are very concerned that with the control of the courts, Chavez seems to have consolidated control over the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the government.

The Statesman

Chávez as a statesman has interesting allies, having a very close personal friendship with Fidel Castro of Cuba, and Venezuela provides oil to Cuba in exchange for skilled workers and other services. Similar to Castro, Chávez is seen as a darling to the left wing, especially left wing media in the United States.

Chávez also had ties to Saddam Hussein of Iraq, and not only staunchly opposed the invasion of Iraq but also went on a state visit to Hussein. He has also allied himself with Qaddafi in Libya, receiving a human rights award from him in 2004 during a state visit.

Not surprisingly relations with the USA are extremely poor, with Chávez publicly attacking President George Bush, and accusing the United States of attempting further attempts on his life. In fact his paranoia and pre-occupation of removal from office has reached such proportions that Chávez's rationality has been called into question by some.

Chávez has also recently bought MiG's from Russia, and territorial disputes with Colombia and Guyana now call into question whether Chávez is looking to start looking to his military for purposes other than defending the country. He has granted asylum to Colombian opposition terrorists, which indicates that perhaps he might also attempt to move against Colombia in other ways than outward military force. Moreover, Chávez has been known to support numerous far-left terrorist groups in South America.

The Left-Wing Fascist (sic)?

The National Guard or state police force in Venezuela has been accused of intimidation and bullying tactics of opposition, reminiscent of the Mussolini brownshirts in the 1930's. It is also troubling that nationalism and xenophobia are seemingly fostered by the government, combined with a push to have the population loyal to Chávez and not to the country. He has created a cult of personality about himself, creating the illusion to the masses that he is infallible; as a speaker Chávez has a bombastic style, literally working his audience up into a frenzy.

Chávez seems also to aspire to unite much of South America's sentiment against foreigners, notably the United States. He speaks of a continental vision, but clearly not without much influence from himself.

Freedom of the Press?

The Media in Venezuela is largely and overtly against Chávez, with very little mass media supporting him. However there are numerous reports of intimidation of the media by pro Chávez gangs that have been alleged to have issued violent threats against the media that does not support him. Chávez moved to start restrictions on the media with vaguely worded legislation that could allow him to suppress political content, although the initial scope of the law was restrictions on pornographic and violent content.

In mid-March of 2005 Chávez passed legislation further clamping down on the press, by broadening controls on how the press can report articles deemed "disrespectful" or "insulting" of the government. Sentencing for such transgressions ranges between 20 and 40 months incarceration, depending on the gravity of the offense. Moreover laws have been passed against the media, tightening controls on what would be considered slanderous, carrying sentences up to 30 months and what would amount to tens of thousands of US dollars in fines.

Numerous human rights organizations have expressed great concern over the incremental restrictions imposed by the Chávez regime on the Venezuelan media .



http://www.dictatorofthemonth.com/Chavez/Jun2005ChavezEN.htm

Hitler, Castro and Mussolini did this same **** it's like Chavez is following a how to guide for becoming dictator after being elected.

 

[Kelzie]

So were Hitlers, it doesn't change the fact that after being elected he created a totalitarian regime.

Actually there is his party just took control over parliament are are putting through a bill to do away with term limits.

So are ours. It doesn't mean it has to create a totalitarian regime.

Really? I thought they just voted to extend the term. Doesn't really matter. You know the UK doesn't have a term limit right?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So are ours. It doesn't mean it has to create a totalitarian regime.

Really? I thought they just voted to extend the term. Doesn't really matter. You know the UK doesn't have a term limit right?

Actually it's not the same thing because the Prime Minister has to hold elections once every (I believe 6 years) but he can call them when ever he wants, I believe Chavez and his party want to do away with elections altogether and I think it's going to happen sooner or later considering the fact that there is no longer a voice of oppostition and if you didn't catch it I edited my last post:

Freedom of the Press?

The Media in Venezuela is largely and overtly against Chávez, with very little mass media supporting him. However there are numerous reports of intimidation of the media by pro Chávez gangs that have been alleged to have issued violent threats against the media that does not support him. Chávez moved to start restrictions on the media with vaguely worded legislation that could allow him to suppress political content, although the initial scope of the law was restrictions on pornographic and violent content.

In mid-March of 2005 Chávez passed legislation further clamping down on the press, by broadening controls on how the press can report articles deemed "disrespectful" or "insulting" of the government. Sentencing for such transgressions ranges between 20 and 40 months incarceration, depending on the gravity of the offense. Moreover laws have been passed against the media, tightening controls on what would be considered slanderous, carrying sentences up to 30 months and what would amount to tens of thousands of US dollars in fines.

Numerous human rights organizations have expressed great concern over the incremental restrictions imposed by the Chávez regime on the Venezuelan media .

Kelz he's a ****ing tyrant can't you see that???

 

[Kelzie]

Actually it's not the same thing because the Prime Minister has to hold elections once every (I believe 6 years) but he can call them when ever he wants, I believe Chavez and his party want to do away with elections altogether and I think it's going to happen sooner or later considering the fact that there is no longer a voice of oppostition and if you didn't catch it I edited my last post:

Freedom of the Press?

The Media in Venezuela is largely and overtly against Chávez, with very little mass media supporting him. However there are numerous reports of intimidation of the media by pro Chávez gangs that have been alleged to have issued violent threats against the media that does not support him. Chávez moved to start restrictions on the media with vaguely worded legislation that could allow him to suppress political content, although the initial scope of the law was restrictions on pornographic and violent content.

In mid-March of 2005 Chávez passed legislation further clamping down on the press, by broadening controls on how the press can report articles deemed "disrespectful" or "insulting" of the government. Sentencing for such transgressions ranges between 20 and 40 months incarceration, depending on the gravity of the offense. Moreover laws have been passed against the media, tightening controls on what would be considered slanderous, carrying sentences up to 30 months and what would amount to tens of thousands of US dollars in fines.

Numerous human rights organizations have expressed great concern over the incremental restrictions imposed by the Chávez regime on the Venezuelan media .

Kelz he's a ****ing tyrant can't you see that???

No they aren't. You just completely made that up. :roll:

Gangs do not equal Chavez. And no porn or violence in the media? Sounds like what we have.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

No they aren't. You just completely made that up. :roll:

Gangs do not equal Chavez. And no porn or violence in the media? Sounds like what we have.

He hasn't what? They passed legislation to restrict the freedom of the press, it's now illegal to speak out against the government in Venezuela.

In mid-March of 2005 Chávez passed legislation further clamping down on the press, by broadening controls on how the press can report articles deemed "disrespectful" or "insulting" of the government. Sentencing for such transgressions ranges between 20 and 40 months incarceration, depending on the gravity of the offense. Moreover laws have been passed against the media, tightening controls on what would be considered slanderous, carrying sentences up to 30 months and what would amount to tens of thousands of US dollars in fines.


Dude I'm taking a Latin American studies class last weeks subject was Chavez my professor has a doctorate in Latin American studies, he's from Brazil he thinks Chavez is Latin Americas next Castro.

 

[Kelzie]

He hasn't what? They passed legislation to restrict the freedom of the press, it's now illegal to speak out against the government in Venezuela.

He hasn't done away with elections. And it's illegal to insult the government. How many of our papers call Bush a ****ing white trailor trash idiot?

 

[Kelzie]

Dude I'm taking a Latin American studies class last weeks subject was Chavez my professor has a doctorate in Latin American studies, he's from Brazil he thinks Chavez is Latin Americas next Castro.

Stop freaking adding stuff. And my Latin American doctorate professor thinks your professor's an idiot. If you can't prove he's dictator by the criteria I set out, I don't care what some guy I never met might or might not have said.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Stop freaking adding stuff. And my Latin American doctorate professor thinks your professor's an idiot. If you can't prove he's dictator by the criteria I set out, I don't care what some guy I never met might or might not have said.

what criteria? Democracy doesn't come in a day neither does dictatorship Chavez is making the necessary steps in that direction.

And if you don't think the Press doesn't insult Bush on a daily basis then apparently you don't watch the daily show.

If they did that in Venezuela then they would be placed in prison for up to 40 months the mans a ****ing tyrant.

 

[Kelzie]

what criteria? Democracy doesn't come in a day neither does dictatorship Chavez is making the necessary steps in that direction.

And if you don't think the Press doesn't insult the press on a daily basis then apparently you don't watch the daily show.

If they did that in Venezuela then they would be placed in prison for up to 40 months

They don't insult him. Find me one main stream media source that insults the president.

Do you or do you not think he is a dictator right now?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

They don't insult him. Find me one main stream media source that insults the president.

Do you or do you not think he is a dictator right now?

St. Petersburg Times my cities newspaper in the editorial section **** every editorial section in just about every main stream paper except for maybe the Wall Street Journal,

the point though isn't that they can't insult the government it's that they can't critisize him.

And it's not just the main stream that Chavez has silenced it's all of the media in Venezuela. That's one of the first acts of every tyrant, first act is to take away the guns let's find out if he's taken away that right too be right back . . . .

 

[Kelzie]

St. Petersburg Times my cities newspaper in the editorial section **** every editorial section in just about every main stream paper except for maybe the Wall Street Journal,

the point though isn't that they can't insult the government it's that they can't critisize him.

And it's not just the main stream that Chavez has silenced it's all of the media in Venezuela. That's one of the first acts of every tyrant, first act is to take away the guns let's find out if he's taken away that right too be right back . . . .

While I don't have the original law to look at, your source says nothing about outlawing criticism.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

While I don't have the original law to look at, your source says nothing about outlawing criticism.

Dude he left the choice of what not to say about the government in the hands of the government how much further proof do you need I'll look for the exact law.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Start with Article 147: "Anyone who offends with his words or in writing or in any other way disrespects the President of the Republic or whomever is fulfilling his duties will be punished with prison of 6 to 30 months if the offense is serious and half of that if it is light." That sanction, the code implies, applies to those who "disrespect" the president or his functionaries in private; "the term will be increased by a third if the offense is made publicly."

There's more: Article 444 says that comments that "expose another person to contempt or public hatred" can bring a prison sentence of one to three years; Article 297a says that someone who "causes public panic or anxiety" with inaccurate reports can receive five years. Prosecutors are authorized to track down allegedly criminal inaccuracies not only in newspapers and electronic media, but also in e-mail and telephone communications.


I suggest you read the article I got this from:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5755-2005Mar27.html

 

[Kelzie]

Start with Article 147: "Anyone who offends with his words or in writing or in any other way disrespects the President of the Republic or whomever is fulfilling his duties will be punished with prison of 6 to 30 months if the offense is serious and half of that if it is light." That sanction, the code implies, applies to those who "disrespect" the president or his functionaries in private; "the term will be increased by a third if the offense is made publicly."

There's more: Article 444 says that comments that "expose another person to contempt or public hatred" can bring a prison sentence of one to three years; Article 297a says that someone who "causes public panic or anxiety" with inaccurate reports can receive five years. Prosecutors are authorized to track down allegedly criminal inaccuracies not only in newspapers and electronic media, but also in e-mail and telephone communications.


I suggest you read the article I got this from:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5755-2005Mar27.html

So you can't insult the president and you can't cause a public panic. What's the problem? Unless you are saying you can't criticize the president without insulting him or inciting a riot?

 

[Inuyasha]

"Venezuela's own "Fidelito" has the potential to cause real trouble for the United States -- right in our own backyard. "

The last part of this phrase, a quote from someone's post further back is really the crux of the problem. Lula, Fox and others are saying to us "Latin America is notyou "backyard" anymore." It's just that Chavez has a louder voice at the moment than any of the others. We have used that phrase over and over for the past 100 years ant it is offensive to Latin Americans. So they are protesting and seeking their own destiny. It is not up to us or anyone else to tell them how to accomplish this
We, as well as the big European businesses are going to have to learn to do business with Latin America in a new way. The Japanese are far ahead of the pack.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So you can't insult the president and you can't cause a public panic. What's the problem? Unless you are saying you can't criticize the president without insulting him or inciting a riot?

That's not the point the point it is now in the hands of the government to decide what the press can and can't say.

It's not like they're going to come out and say: "hay no more free press." The people wouldn't stand for it, they have to be clever in doing so just like the "Fairness Doctrine." Here in the U.S. hay who could be against keeping things fair right?

give me a break Kelz.

If you can't see what he's doing you're blinder than the people who voted for him.

 

[Kelzie]

That's not the point the point it is now in the hands of the government to decide what the press can and can't say.

It's not like they're going to come out and say: "hay no more free press." The people wouldn't stand for it, they have to be clever in doing so just like the "Fairness Doctrine." Here in the U.S. hay who could be against keeping things fair right?

give me a break Kelz.

If you can't see what he's doing you're blinder than the people who voted for him.

Let's see now...who decides if reporters have overstepped their bounds in our country? Judges you say? And who appoints judges? What?!? Our government?!!?!?! Oh my god!!! We've been living in a dictatorship this entire time and we've never even known it!!!! RUN!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Let's see now...who decides if reporters have overstepped their bounds in our country? Judges you say? And who appoints judges? What?!? Our government?!!?!?! Oh my god!!! We've been living in a dictatorship this entire time and we've never even known it!!!! RUN!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!

bullshit what people in the U.S. have been arrested for what they say?

 

[Kelzie]

bullshit what people in the U.S. have been arrested for what they say?

You're still punished. And if you publish things that "incites the public" you certainly will be arrested. Try publishing something calling for Bush's assassination. I dare ya.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

You're still punished. And if you publish things that "incites the public" you certainly will be arrested. Try publishing something calling for Bush's assassination. I dare ya.

Oh you mean like that Rhandi Rhodes chick on Air America, ya she got arrested all right?:roll:

 

[Kelzie]

Oh you mean like that Rhandi Rhodes chick on Air America, ya she got arrested all right?:roll:

She didn't ask people to assassinate him.