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The United States and the World can not take the risk whether Iran has a Nuke or Not

Tigerace117 said:
Gee, Iran hasn’t done any such thing despite endless attempts by the West thus far
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I have made a KILLING on Palantir. Israel will be safe—Israel and the U.S, through Palantir's advanced AIP, can kill the target and kill Iran's dear leader in less than an hour.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Israel literally elected a terrorist PM and nobody invaded when they got nukes.
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ASHES said:
Don't care about your alternate historical fantasies.
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Post #65


Accepting the bad with the good is difficult but necessary:

Menachem Begin – Facts - NobelPrize.org

www.nobelprize.org www.nobelprize.org

...From Terror to a Peace Treaty with Egypt

When Israel's Prime Minister Begin came to Oslo to receive the Peace Prize, there were such violent demonstrations against him that the award ceremony had to be moved to Akershus fortress. Begin shared the Peace Prize with Egypt's President Anwar el-Sadat for the peace treaty concluded between Israel and Egypt. The so-called Camp David Accords were negotiated under pressure from US President Jimmy Carter.

Menachem Begin was born in Poland, where he joined an extremist Zionist movement that wanted to establish a Jewish state in Palestine by force. During the Second World War Begin was in custody in the Soviet Union before he, with incredible luck, managed to get to Jerusalem. There he became the leader of the Irgun Zwai Leumi organization which resorted to terror both against the British authorities and against Palestine's Arab inhabitants. Irgun also fought the Israeli army until Begin accepted David Ben Gurion's supreme leadership. In 1977 Begin became Prime Minister when the conservative Likud alliance won the election....
 
VySky said:
Its unacceptable risk.

The point of no return has been crossed.

The United States needs to finish this. We must reach a confidence level to where we can reasonably conclude Iran does hot have a nuclear weapon or the capacity to make one any time soon.

What say you. Is it worth the risk to do nothing?
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That is the stupidest thing I’ve heard all day. It’s the WMD fiasco all over again—at least come up with a new excuse this time.


We didn’t attack Pakistan because they have nuclear weapons, even though 90% of Pakistanis hate America’s guts. Same reason India and Pakistan haven’t nuked each other into oblivion. Same reason we don’t touch North Korea.


Russia invaded Ukraine because Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal. We attacked Iraq because they didn’t have nukes.


Nuclear weapons are the only thing keeping the so-called “peace.”


And now you’re arguing we should bomb Iran back to the 14th century because you think they’re developing nukes—even though every U.S. and Western intelligence agency says they aren’t?


Israel played the U.S.—and Trump—like a damn fiddle. And now we’re stuck in another unwanted war, dragged in by Bibi “Nathen Yahoo,” who’s turned into the Middle East’s resident bully, hell-bent on some apocalyptic crusade.

Diving Mullah
 
multivita-man said:
Yeah, we heard that macho tough-guy shit as we were trying to convince you all not to push us into a war with Iraq, and it was only the most disastrous foreign policy decision we've ever made. We still haven't really recovered from it, and yet here you all are cheerleading for us to get into another war with an adversary that, flawed though they may be, has the potential to turn this conflict into an even bigger cluster**** than Iraq was.
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Lest we forget Netanyahu testified before Congress that Hussein was definitely developing nuclear weapons.
 
Napoleon said:
Israel has always taken the lead against Iran.
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Bibi is playing Trump like a damn fiddle. There is NO reason for the US to get involved in this outside helping Israel to defend their civilians. None.

At one point - even YOU agreed that Israel wanted to drag the US into war with Iran…

Napoleon said:
Israel chewed through the leash long ago. It just doesn’t have the capability to engage in an effective conventional war with Iran. That’s what Bibi wants us for.
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Guess loyalty to Trump is the utmost of importance now though
 
BirdinHand said:
Bibi is playing Trump like a damn fiddle. There is NO reason for the US to get involved in this. None.

At one point - even YOU agreed that Israel wanted to drag the US into war with Iran…
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Sure. And why not? It’s either that or an Islamic terrorist State develops a nuclear arsenal.
 
VySky said:
Its unacceptable risk.

The point of no return has been crossed.

The United States needs to finish this. We must reach a confidence level to where we can reasonably conclude Iran does hot have a nuclear weapon or the capacity to make one any time soon.

What say you. Is it worth the risk to do nothing?
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Amazing. You were an isolation when Trump was. Now Trump is pushing for war so you are too.

Too funny. Way to funny.
 
And if they do have a nuke, which most intelligence says they do not, why pressure and provoke them to use by threatening a US/Israel invasion?
Stupid logic seems to be the Trump regime motto.
 
VySky said:
Its unacceptable risk.

The point of no return has been crossed.

The United States needs to finish this. We must reach a confidence level to where we can reasonably conclude Iran does hot have a nuclear weapon or the capacity to make one any time soon.

What say you. Is it worth the risk to do nothing?
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This is what we heard in 2003 about Iraq. They didn't.
 
Michael Cole said:
www.pbs.org

America's spies say Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon. Trump dismisses that assessment

Trump's national intelligence director, Tulsi Gabbard, told Congress in March that Iran's supreme leader had not reauthorized the dormant program.
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...American intelligence agencies have long concluded that Iran was close to being able to make a nuclear weapon but had not decided whether to do so. If Iran decided to make a weapon, it would be less than a year away from being able to field one. A crude, more basic nuclear bomb could possibly be constructed more quickly.

President Trump has repeatedly said he will not allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon. On Tuesday, he called for Iran’s unconditional surrender.

But the Israeli attacks may have changed Iran’s calculus. U.S. officials skeptical of Israel’s campaign said on Tuesday that it has probably convinced Tehran that the only way to prevent future attacks would be to develop a full nuclear deterrent....
 
Pyrite said:

...American intelligence agencies have long concluded that Iran was close to being able to make a nuclear weapon but had not decided whether to do so. If Iran decided to make a weapon, it would be less than a year away from being able to field one. A crude, more basic nuclear bomb could possibly be constructed more quickly.

President Trump has repeatedly said he will not allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon. On Tuesday, he called for Iran’s unconditional surrender.
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Pyrite said:
But the Israeli attacks may have changed Iran’s calculus. U.S. officials skeptical of Israel’s campaign said on Tuesday that it has probably convinced Tehran that the only way to prevent future attacks would be to develop a full nuclear deterrent....
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Imagine that.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, I wonder why the Iranians wouldn’t like a country that propped up a brutal dictatorship in their country, helped gas their civilians, has spent decades threatening to invade them and now is currently helping wage a war of aggression against them? 🙄

Iranian dislike of the U.S. is entirely rational, if one looks at the historical record
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Oh, I guess that explains the rational way they treat their own women, too. I should have known the US is responsible for their rational insistence on having a nuclear bomb. I won't even question their rational support for terrorists that rationally interrupt the world's oil flow through the Suez Canal.

But here's what Human Rights Watch says about heir rational treatment of women.
"Iranian women experience discrimination in law and in practice in ways that deeply impact their lives, particularly with regard to marriage, divorce and custody issues. Post-1979 compulsory hijab laws affect virtually every aspect of women’s public life in Iran. In today’s Iran, a woman’s access to employment, education, social benefits and proper health care — and even her mere public presence in society— depends on complying with compulsory hijab laws, which are routinely enforced through a web of rules and arbitrary interpretation by state agents as well as businesses."

Purely rational and, of course, our fault.
 
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