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I'll give a bit more of direct addressing to your questions...
No, there IS a limit to how many people the earth could maintain... If the world lived like the West does, I mean, excessive waste, more food then we can handle, etc... then I do agree that 6 billion people living that lifestyle would drain resources far faster then is being produced. That said, with responsible development, new agricultural technologies, reallocation of certain spaces for food, etc... there could be 20 billion humans living a decent life, might have to put limits on meat because of the fact that every lb of meat requires something like 20 lb's of feed.
There are other mitigating factors here... do you expect that open air GMO foods might create some disastrous effects?? and I don't necessarily mean instantaneous, I mean like 2-3 generations down the road as the GMO plants and animals cross-breed with non-modified organisms.
Yes, and that split between the rich and poor sooner or later will need to be addressed... and, to an extent it already IS being addressed... If you're not in the 'too big to fail' then, more then likely you would be in the opposite category... as in 'too small to save'.
You also have to consider the ways in which the developing world is being oppressed and prevented from any meaningful development through policies like those put in place by organizations like the IMF, who will loan a country say 5billion, direct the country where to spend it, and then repay 10 billion dollars and still owe 50billion more.
If you're talking about energy resources, definitely not. The problem with oil is NOT that there's a lack of oil... the problem is a lack of refineries to make refined oil and related products. As for the west... well, we can more easily afford to implement large scale systems of alternative energy...
Umm... there's several way I can address this, but consider that in the US there are 4400+ abortions performed per DAY!! That the western world has a birth rate >1... the majority of the population are soon to be retired baby boomers.
China has a birth rate that is controlled at just over 1 (farmers can have a second child)... but they also give forced abortions... like if a woman is pregnant with a second child she might walk down the street get, what amounts to kidnapped, have her baby aborted and returned home....
Now, here's the thing, places like parts of Africa have a birth rate of like 7-8... but that's what's necessary, because of all the famine, diseases, and poverty, to ensure that they will have at least one child survive into adult hood. As this situation improves that birth rate will lower accordingly... That's a separate debate as to whether the situation is ACTUALLY improving. (Zimbabwe's Population Size to Drop Nearly 25% Between 1992, 2010 Due to AIDS, Report Says)
Mind you, if someone like Bill Gates got AIDS there's be 3 separate cures within the week, but that's also a side issue.
Look, I understand it's a lot to ask to read through several books like this... and not only that, but to then make the connection of who specifically was all involved in the writing of the books, and to see where they have focused their lives works in the same vein. I know I love to hate on Bill Gates, but that was originally just because the guy made a business model based on shoddy work practices... example, all new windows products when they are first released, should be released as 'free open-beta test' versions, considering that most windows products only become 'useable' after about the second service pack.
ANYWAY, the important part of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation... first off, they put a HUGE sum of money into the account of this 'tax free foundation' and the interest goes towards operations of his choosing. What does he do???
- Mosquitos GMO'd to give a malaria vaccine when it bites you, including all related side-effects of the vaccine. Genetically Modified Mosquito Vaccinators Buzzin
- The polio vaccine program in Africa : Polio vaccine blamed for outbreaks in Nigeria - Health - Infectious diseases - msnbc.com
- Now he wants to create a 'global vaccination program database' to ensure that every individual gets every vaccine that any drug company can get liability protection for.... Bill Gates: mobile health technology will save lives, help overpopulation - SmartPlanet
Now, that's JUST Mr Gates... and that's JUST in the past decade.
TO get back to the subject...
It's not just the fact that population needs to be reduced and the justifications for such pushes, it's that... well, most countries are not nearly as bound by a constitution that puts the people's freedoms first, most countries are actually run by tyrants... so if you put these bunch of dictators in a room planning the future for society as their respective countries are concerned, why should you expect that they come out with some constitution in any way comparable to that of the US?
So, the problem I have are really in the means to the end, and really... most of the time 'communism' sounds really good... until you wind up with some spoiled leader that decides to keep the lions share to himself before 'spreading the wealth', and then usually winds up killing most of the people that stand opposed.
Which brings me back to the ultimate point... Even if we assume that CO2 DOES cause global warming... this is the LEAST of the matters to be concerned with, on literally EVERY ANGLE you can look at it... but CO2 is the PERFECT ISSUE because it can eventually be used to CONVINCE PEOPLE to take on this program of lowering population.
No, there IS a limit to how many people the earth could maintain... If the world lived like the West does, I mean, excessive waste, more food then we can handle, etc... then I do agree that 6 billion people living that lifestyle would drain resources far faster then is being produced. That said, with responsible development, new agricultural technologies, reallocation of certain spaces for food, etc... there could be 20 billion humans living a decent life, might have to put limits on meat because of the fact that every lb of meat requires something like 20 lb's of feed.
There are other mitigating factors here... do you expect that open air GMO foods might create some disastrous effects?? and I don't necessarily mean instantaneous, I mean like 2-3 generations down the road as the GMO plants and animals cross-breed with non-modified organisms.
Yes, and that split between the rich and poor sooner or later will need to be addressed... and, to an extent it already IS being addressed... If you're not in the 'too big to fail' then, more then likely you would be in the opposite category... as in 'too small to save'.
You also have to consider the ways in which the developing world is being oppressed and prevented from any meaningful development through policies like those put in place by organizations like the IMF, who will loan a country say 5billion, direct the country where to spend it, and then repay 10 billion dollars and still owe 50billion more.
If you're talking about resources like food, water, and housing... then yes... we have a very sick system.
If you're talking about energy resources, definitely not. The problem with oil is NOT that there's a lack of oil... the problem is a lack of refineries to make refined oil and related products. As for the west... well, we can more easily afford to implement large scale systems of alternative energy...
Umm... there's several way I can address this, but consider that in the US there are 4400+ abortions performed per DAY!! That the western world has a birth rate >1... the majority of the population are soon to be retired baby boomers.
China has a birth rate that is controlled at just over 1 (farmers can have a second child)... but they also give forced abortions... like if a woman is pregnant with a second child she might walk down the street get, what amounts to kidnapped, have her baby aborted and returned home....
Now, here's the thing, places like parts of Africa have a birth rate of like 7-8... but that's what's necessary, because of all the famine, diseases, and poverty, to ensure that they will have at least one child survive into adult hood. As this situation improves that birth rate will lower accordingly... That's a separate debate as to whether the situation is ACTUALLY improving. (Zimbabwe's Population Size to Drop Nearly 25% Between 1992, 2010 Due to AIDS, Report Says)
Mind you, if someone like Bill Gates got AIDS there's be 3 separate cures within the week, but that's also a side issue.
Look, I understand it's a lot to ask to read through several books like this... and not only that, but to then make the connection of who specifically was all involved in the writing of the books, and to see where they have focused their lives works in the same vein. I know I love to hate on Bill Gates, but that was originally just because the guy made a business model based on shoddy work practices... example, all new windows products when they are first released, should be released as 'free open-beta test' versions, considering that most windows products only become 'useable' after about the second service pack.
ANYWAY, the important part of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation... first off, they put a HUGE sum of money into the account of this 'tax free foundation' and the interest goes towards operations of his choosing. What does he do???
- Mosquitos GMO'd to give a malaria vaccine when it bites you, including all related side-effects of the vaccine. Genetically Modified Mosquito Vaccinators Buzzin
- The polio vaccine program in Africa : Polio vaccine blamed for outbreaks in Nigeria - Health - Infectious diseases - msnbc.com
- Now he wants to create a 'global vaccination program database' to ensure that every individual gets every vaccine that any drug company can get liability protection for.... Bill Gates: mobile health technology will save lives, help overpopulation - SmartPlanet
Now, that's JUST Mr Gates... and that's JUST in the past decade.
TO get back to the subject...
It's not just the fact that population needs to be reduced and the justifications for such pushes, it's that... well, most countries are not nearly as bound by a constitution that puts the people's freedoms first, most countries are actually run by tyrants... so if you put these bunch of dictators in a room planning the future for society as their respective countries are concerned, why should you expect that they come out with some constitution in any way comparable to that of the US?
So, the problem I have are really in the means to the end, and really... most of the time 'communism' sounds really good... until you wind up with some spoiled leader that decides to keep the lions share to himself before 'spreading the wealth', and then usually winds up killing most of the people that stand opposed.
Which brings me back to the ultimate point... Even if we assume that CO2 DOES cause global warming... this is the LEAST of the matters to be concerned with, on literally EVERY ANGLE you can look at it... but CO2 is the PERFECT ISSUE because it can eventually be used to CONVINCE PEOPLE to take on this program of lowering population.
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