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The truth of Global Warming

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OscarB63 said:
yeah, I am having a much harder time readjusting to the cold this time than I did after my last deployment. I was cold when it was 70 degrees this fall, so I am miserably cold now that it is in the teens and 20s.

Wouldn't it be nice if you could trap and store some of the summer heat in a big underground box and then pump it into your house in the winter to keep it warm?
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Sure beats my "set the carpet on fire" plan.
 
danarhea said:
The data was straight from NASA. But, I understand. If you can't dispute the data, just call the website that links to the data leftist, and that will save the day. Right? :mrgreen:
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GISS has been caught in lies
 
ptif219 said:
GISS has been caught in lies
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Are you talking about the data errors again?

Making an arithmatic error is not the same thing as lying.
 
ptif219 said:
Except the IPCC lied about that
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"One single error doesn't take anything away from the major findings of the report. The fact is that the glaciers are melting." This is science dude. no one presume to know everything that will happen. The IPCC didn't "lie." Grow up and stop using dirty slander as your defense against fact.
 
Deuce said:
Are you talking about the data errors again?

Making an arithmatic error is not the same thing as lying.
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Yes it is. Professionals check data not just repeat it. Show hoe unprofessional GW scientist are including Hansen who overseers this department
 
Badfish420 said:
"One single error doesn't take anything away from the major findings of the report. The fact is that the glaciers are melting." This is science dude. no one presume to know everything that will happen. The IPCC didn't "lie." Grow up and stop using dirty slander as your defense against fact.
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So the doom and gloom lies do not matter? This is why GW is not believble and the IPCC no longer has any credibility
 
ptif219 said:
Yes it is. Professionals check data not just repeat it. Show hoe unprofessional GW scientist are including Hansen who overseers this department
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You've been wrong ptif, I've proven it on these very forums. Like when you said CO2 levels hadn't changed over the last 100 years because you misread an article.

Therefore, ptif, you are a liar and therefore everything you've posted here is a lie!

It's your own logic, dude.
 
Deuce said:
You've been wrong ptif, I've proven it on these very forums. Like when you said CO2 levels hadn't changed over the last 100 years because you misread an article.

Therefore, ptif, you are a liar and therefore everything you've posted here is a lie!

It's your own logic, dude.
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Keep trying but these are professionals playing with our lives. The need to be accountable. We must not justify their shortcomings and give them a pass like you do.
 
ptif219 said:
Keep trying but these are professionals playing with our lives. The need to be accountable. We must not justify their shortcomings and give them a pass like you do.
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So you're backing off the claim that lying and being wrong are the same thing?

Or, you're still a liar and I should ignore your post.

Pick one.

Even Einstein got things wrong. (although one time he thought he was wrong but it turns out he was right. now THAT'S genius)
 
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Deuce said:
So you're backing off the claim that lying and being wrong are the same thing?

Or, you're still a liar and I should ignore your post.

Pick one.

Even Einstein got things wrong. (although one time he thought he was wrong but it turns out he was right. now THAT'S genius)
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Not at all. Professionals are responsible for their words. You want to give them an excuse and let it slide. The GW propagandist are playing with our lives and our finances they need to be held to higher standard.
 
ptif219 said:
Not at all. Professionals are responsible for their words. You want to give them an excuse and let it slide. The GW propagandist are playing with our lives and our finances they need to be held to higher standard.
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Do you or do you not still suggest that lying and being wrong are the same thing?
Answer, and I'll respond.
 
Deuce said:
Do you or do you not still suggest that lying and being wrong are the same thing?
Answer, and I'll respond.
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When a professional does not check data and puts it out as truth he is responsible for his actions. It is a lie. Just like putting temp recording equipment in places were you get an elevated temp which the IPCC did. These are deceptions, manipulations and lies
 
ptif219 said:
When a professional does not check data and puts it out as truth he is responsible for his actions. It is a lie. Just like putting temp recording equipment in places were you get an elevated temp which the IPCC did. These are deceptions, manipulations and lies
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Nothing is ever 100%. Nobody is free from error, even a professional. Being wrong is not lying.

The IPCC has never placed a temperature recording station anywhere, much less in an area that you get elevated temp. That's just asinine. You're wrong about that, therefore you're a liar! :roll:

Ptif, the IPCC doesn't place temperature stations. That's not what they do.

I assume you're talking about Watts' group taking photos of temperature stations that were not placed in accordance with established standards. It's true that many stations are placed poorly, or some were placed correctly but stuff was later built nearby. However, these stations are placed by US government agencies, not the IPCC. Furthermore, Watts' never bothers to tell you what the result of his findings is. He leaves you to assume that his photos prove the temperature record is unreliable due to a warming bias. However, if you run the data using ONLY stations that Watts calls "good" or "best," placement, you get a nearly identical temperature record.

Remember, this is using Watts' own measurements. His own criteria. He's a skeptic, and using HIS OWN DATA proves him to be wrong.
Here's the study:
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2/monthly/menne-etal2010.pdf
 
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Deuce said:
Nothing is ever 100%. Nobody is free from error, even a professional. Being wrong is not lying.

The IPCC has never placed a temperature recording station anywhere, much less in an area that you get elevated temp. That's just asinine. You're wrong about that, therefore you're a liar! :roll:

Ptif, the IPCC doesn't place temperature stations. That's not what they do.

I assume you're talking about Watts' group taking photos of temperature stations that were not placed in accordance with established standards. It's true that many stations are placed poorly, or some were placed correctly but stuff was later built nearby. However, these stations are placed by US government agencies, not the IPCC. Furthermore, Watts' never bothers to tell you what the result of his findings is. He leaves you to assume that his photos prove the temperature record is unreliable due to a warming bias. However, if you run the data using ONLY stations that Watts calls "good" or "best," placement, you get a nearly identical temperature record.

Remember, this is using Watts' own measurements. His own criteria. He's a skeptic, and using HIS OWN DATA proves him to be wrong.
Here's the study:
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2/monthly/menne-etal2010.pdf
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There you go again justifying and making excuses.

I do not have the power to affect the lives of every citizen the way these GW propagandist are.

Telling us what temp to set our thermstats and threatining devices that would control it. telling us what cars to drive and government following standards for MPG. Telling us what kind of light bulbs we can use. Taxes that are being proposed. Changing fuels that rise the price.
 
ptif219 said:
There you go again justifying and making excuses.

I do not have the power to affect the lives of every citizen the way these GW propagandist are.

Telling us what temp to set our thermstats and threatining devices that would control it. telling us what cars to drive and government following standards for MPG. Telling us what kind of light bulbs we can use. Taxes that are being proposed. Changing fuels that rise the price.
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It's all about control and money.
Stossel believe's the planet is warming, but what can we do about it?
from Media Matters. I just love them :roll:
John Stossel: Global warming "may be a good thing" | Media Matters for America
 
ptif219 said:
Government grants if they do what government wants
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NOAA/NWS/NASA/USDA funding is not dependent on AGW theory. Weather research would still happen either way, and not all of the funding is from the government anyway.

Pretty weak link, ptif. The Manhattan Project got government funding too, that doesn't mean nuclear bombs are a hoax.
 
Deuce said:
What about the people who get funded by oil companies and publish opposing information, and then have proven errors or lies? You're giving them a pass.

Your own arguments. Annoying aren't they?
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No but I don't see them lying as I agree with them. Just like you are blindly defending the lies of GW. Difference is many of what you call deniers came from the IPCC so they know the scam.
 
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