goligoth said:Yes Kelzie I'm catholic but that was just one example. The message that I was trying to convey was that the media has many agendas and one of them is to bash the catholic church and that they do this by playing up the news about catholics and simply telling half-truths if it was a priest of another religion so that even when it had nothing to do with the catholics it still has a negative effect against the catholic church.
And yes kcconservitive the church did become active in trying to cover it up. What would you do if you ran a church and something extremely negative happened? I somehow doubt that you would make banners and try to keep the subject alive. You would try to forget about it and move on. Right?
TimmyBoy said:Don't know how or where to start this debate, so I will let this thread run it's own course. What are your views on the the Thought Police and their methods of thought control?
hipsterdufus said:The White House has certainly instituted a flat out, and very successful war against the press and the media.
They continually:
http://www.freepress.net/presswar/
FreeMason said:I long for the days, Conflict, when people like you would have been put in Jail to save you from the mobs that would try to beat you up after such a poster...
Conflict said:Yet I long for the day, freepartition, when a sycophant like you could lend a single lobe to the virtue of independent thought. Forgive me for posting propoganda that is not certified by your dependency, the pentagon.
Watched the news lately. They are forever telling me how to think. I'm am offended that they think I'm that stupid.TimmyBoy said:Don't know how or where to start this debate, so I will let this thread run it's own course. What are your views on the the Thought Police and their methods of thought control?
I see your friends with Micheal Moore. "How can their be incosistancy in comedy?" - Micheal MooreUtahBill said:Wrong, wrong, wrong. The media is not the thought police, they are just the ones entertaining us with fluffy sound bites of this and that on all 6 sides of every issue so that if we should attempt to think, we cannot come to any conclusions. Too much information saturates our untrained brains, so we are worse off than if we got no information at all. So, turn to MTV instead.
Castro is credited with increasing the literacy rate in Cuba to almost 100%, but he didn't allow them to read anything and everything. What went into their school books was always supportive of his regime, you can be sure. There are some thinkers in Cuba, tho, in spite of his efforts. The proof of that is the few who can think are trying to get to the USA.
Our school books are a bit biased as well, but we do have access to alternative thoughts once we get out of primary schools. The problem with that is that most of our citizens don't get exposed to the truth while in High School, and don't pursue the truth after High School.
In order to need thought police, we need thinkers, and even our glorious education system has managed to limit the number of thinkers, so we probably only need half a dozen thought police, and they most likely are lurking among US right now. So be careful what you post!:shock:
FreeMason said:All those things you listed (and didn't get transfered over in this quote) were done by the US government during WWII.
Maybe we need a little more of it, then we can pour it on in Iraq and get it over with.
Remember
No, not a fan of MM, why do you ask? Did you not get the point?stsburns said:I see your friends with Micheal Moore. "How can their be incosistancy in comedy?" - Micheal Moore
Have you read "Stupid White Man" yet?
Um..I've been saying that?UtahBill said:No, not a fan of MM, why do you ask? Did you not get the point?
Watch network news lately? A bunch of pretty faces reading the news, without the education themselves to be able to recognize the crap that it is.
Our media stopped giving us the news in a factual manner decades ago, now it is shredded into little bites, polished, packaged, and then presented to us, the manipulated masses who have never been taught to think on our own. Some of us have learned, despite the lack of effort by our education system, but what good does it do to try to make sense of it, if you don't get the truth to think about? Give us a few more generations of this and we will be as ignorant of what is going on around us as is a closed society. We will still have tons of information available to us, and pundits galore to tell us their version of "truth", but we still won't know the truth.
Can you make up your mind?Originally Posted by UtahBill
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The media is not the thought police, they are just the ones entertaining us with fluffy sound bites of this and that on all 6 sides of every issue so that if we should attempt to think, we cannot come to any conclusions. Too much information saturates our untrained brains, so we are worse off than if we got no information at all. So, turn to MTV instead.
Castro is credited with increasing the literacy rate in Cuba to almost 100%, but he didn't allow them to read anything and everything. What went into their school books was always supportive of his regime, you can be sure. There are some thinkers in Cuba, tho, in spite of his efforts. The proof of that is the few who can think are trying to get to the USA.
Our school books are a bit biased as well, but we do have access to alternative thoughts once we get out of primary schools. The problem with that is that most of our citizens don't get exposed to the truth while in High School, and don't pursue the truth after High School.
In order to need thought police, we need thinkers, and even our glorious education system has managed to limit the number of thinkers, so we probably only need half a dozen thought police, and they most likely are lurking among US right now. So be careful what you post!
stsburns said:Um..I've been saying that?
Didn't you just say?:
Can you make up your mind?Isn't manipulation of the facts controling peoples thoughts and feelings?
The media can too. One of the Parent companies of the "Entertainment" industry even say it on their corporate website. Such as VIACOM.UtahBill said:You challenge the statements of others, but offer nothing of your own. Think about it.
I have reviewed all of the posts, where exactly have you said anything of substance about the subject? I see you are 20, I am 3 times that, and have 3 years of college to go along with the 40 years of experience that you do not have. I have seen the education system change from what it was when I was in school to what it is when my grandchildren are in school. I have seen great teachers quit or get fired because they taught too much, or made the students think about things that the parents did not like or agree with.
One school district even banned "The Scarlet Letter" and "To Kill A Mockingbird" because of some subtle suggestions that parents did not like.
Much has been lost over the years.
I have, in another thread, given quotes by a congressman, a president, a dictator, and a fuhrer about education. The commonality was that none of them want the majority of us to be educated. Trained, yes, to become workers, but educated, no. Public schools are not the best place to learn to think. So thought control has essentially been accomplished by the time we reach the age 18, and it was done by discouraging thinking for 12 long years.
Manipulation of the facts, or the news, biasing it, slanting it, spinning it, and saturating us with a ton of conflicting information is not controlling thoughts or feelings. It can be propaganda, or marketing, or advertising, or just plain disinformation, and may confuse or influence our thinking, but how can it control our thinking? We either agree or not, depending on our age, experience, education, and intellect and of course, personal knowledge of the subject or situation.
If you want to see a truly controlled populace, look at North Korea. All they know is what the government tells them, as they have no other sources of information.
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stsburns said:The media can too. One of the Parent companies of the "Entertainment" industry even say it on their corporate website. Such as VIACOM.
They understand their power and influence? They really think they know what is best for YOU!
Just pay attention to the news and the two different "responses" to the same information.UtahBill said:Sounds like an employee manual, not a plan of attack on American morals....
UtahBill said:No, not a fan of MM, why do you ask? Did you not get the point?
Watch network news lately? A bunch of pretty faces reading the news, without the education themselves to be able to recognize the crap that it is.
Our media stopped giving us the news in a factual manner decades ago, now it is shredded into little bites, polished, packaged, and then presented to us, the manipulated masses who have never been taught to think on our own. Some of us have learned, despite the lack of effort by our education system, but what good does it do to try to make sense of it, if you don't get the truth to think about? Give us a few more generations of this and we will be as ignorant of what is going on around us as is a closed society. We will still have tons of information available to us, and pundits galore to tell us their version of "truth", but we still won't know the truth.
Care to cite any specific examples of reporters being intimidated? I'm not saying this didn't happen, I would just like to have a few specific examples on the subject to digest.Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
Perhaps you would prefer to bring back that nazi ass policy of the "fairness doctrine," by which the broadcast stations of radio and televesion were put under control of the government in direct violation of the constitution, this led to intimidation of reporters who thought about righting something from a conservative perspective. It wasn't until after it's repeel in 1988 and eventual total abolishment by the year 2000 that the freedom of the press was restored and conservatives regained their voice.
I would like to take this opportunity to let you know that you have influenced me. I have seen the light. You were right.............Now, wake up! Your f_cking dreaming!Originally posted by stsburns:
Just watch the news channells, then go to work or school, or wherever you go in your day, and people will be talking about the story on last night. I call that influnce
What part of my posts leads you to believe thatthat I prefer any such thing? Perhaps you are an example of what I have been saying, that we have not learned to think, so the thought police are not needed. The government guided school system has made sheep of us, so all is needed is a few sheep dogs to steer the ignorant masses in the direction of the day as determined by the same people who made us unthinking sheep in the first place.Trajan Octavian Titus said:Perhaps you would prefer to bring back that nazi ass policy of the "fairness doctrine," by which the broadcast stations of radio and televesion were put under control of the government in direct violation of the constitution, this led to intimidation of reporters who thought about righting something from a conservative perspective. It wasn't until after it's repeel in 1988 and eventual total abolishment by the year 2000 that the freedom of the press was restored and conservatives regained their voice.
Quote from liberal sponsored bill S. 333 concerning the 'fairness' doctrine:Billo_Really said:Care to cite any specific examples of reporters being intimidated? I'm not saying this didn't happen, I would just like to have a few specific examples on the subject to digest.
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