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The tactics of the far left

Alizia Tyler said:
You see the truth I point to I take it?
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Quite the opposite, actually. From my perspective you went into propaganda and conspiracy with unfounded accusations. From what I can see, you lost the point about terminology being plastic and instead decided to try and save face by doubling down your narrative. However, you made a mistake that you rarely do, you went away from asking the normal pattern of pseudo-Socratic leading questions that you tend to and instead just flat out told lies. Because of that amusing turn, I reacted with mirth (and a bit of snark, but I tend to be a smart-ass when I sense the advantage).

Now I am a bit curious why you switched styles. Were you caught off guard somehow?
 
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tacomancer said:
Now I am a bit curious why you switched styles. Were you caught off guard somehow?
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No, I was attempting a bit of humor in the post you first responded to. When you said “lol what” I then doubled-down on a sort of exaggeration.

My actual point though is that the political definitions are shifting. In certain senses the definition *Democrat* means something distinct and different from what it meant some years ago. And the same goes for Republican.
 
redbeer said:
Apparently you never read the article, for the writer pointed out several "false narratives" run by the left and msm, then pointed to their falsity for them being proven wrong in their attacks. Please point out one of those points that are not true.....come on.
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The right does the same thing


So what?
 
Alizia Tyler said:
No, I was attempting a bit of humor in the post you first responded to. When you said “lol what” I then doubled-down on a sort of exaggeration.

My actual point though is that the political definitions are shifting. In certain senses the definition *Democrat* means something distinct and different from what it meant some years ago. And the same goes for Republican.
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We may have different senses of humor, I tend to gravitate towards the sarcastic, the absurd, and the sardonic. That and cheesy puns.

Your actual point is true. This current phase of politics seems to have started in the 90s and then picked up steam in the mid 2000s, then catalyzed with Joe with Plumber. Now we are just going for the ride. Of course, there are founding influences of it coming from the late 60s and the 80s as well.
 
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Alizia Tyler said:
Of the two which is the *most evil* and the most reprehensible? The swastika or the hammer & sickle? (I am obviously referring to the hammer & sickle symbol which often appears at Left Progressive and Antifa-rallies (BLM as well).

If one is condemned with such absoluteness shouldn’t they both? Is there an alternative? For example, to still say that even among those who fly the hammer & sickle that there are *good people* among them?

And the same for those who, for whatever varied reason, fly the swastika?
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I've said nothing about communism. I din't favor that, and I don't know of any that were flown at Charlottesville.

What happened there, and what Trump said in response are part of public record. I don't think that good people rally behind a swastika and lead anti-semitic chants.
 
Alizia Tyler said:
Of the two which is the *most evil* and the most reprehensible? The swastika or the hammer & sickle? (I am obviously referring to the hammer & sickle symbol which often appears at Left Progressive and Antifa-rallies (BLM as well).
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lol...anything will do to excuse Nazi flags, eh?
Alizia Tyler said:
If one is condemned with such absoluteness shouldn’t they both? Is there an alternative? For example, to still say that even among those who fly the hammer & sickle that there are *good people* among them?

And the same for those who, for whatever varied reason, fly the swastika?
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lol...
 
j-mac said:
So, how do we stop it…Because I think that this never ending game of power, will tear this country apart.
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It's incredible this...

When you are lying about the legitimacy of the election and tearing the country apart with this lie in support of a wannabe dictator.

Stop and think about that and perhaps yah know... Stop it.

That's a good start,
 
Aunt Antifa said:
So you mean the folks there to protest the removal of confederate monuments *weren’t* sympathetic to the nazis who where there for the same reasons?

Also: can you or anyone making this claim identify the group(s) Trump was referring to as the “fine people”?
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Trump actually said “fine people from both sides” so, I would assume those that were there from both sides that were protesting peacefully.

By your logic those supporting tearing the statue down were all AntiFa….is that true?
 

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rocket88 said:
So you started a thread about how the left is evil. Because you're "bored" with partisan bickering.
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All you have to do rocket is read the thread…those on the right, or moderate are trying like hell to have a rational discussion, while the attacks started with post two from the left in here, and hasnt let up…
 
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Razoo said:

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Are they keeping track of our current president?
 

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Razoo said:

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Congratulations…you can parrot other leftist
 

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Can we say that lying, mis - quoting, misleading are truly big players of the anti american, fascist thinking platform?
 
Razoo said:
Can we say that lying, mis - quoting, misleading are truly big players of the anti american, fascist thinking platform?
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Only if we start with your posts here…
 
rocket88 said:
What happened there, and what Trump said in response are part of public record. I don't think that good people rally behind a swastika and lead anti-semitic chants.
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Well, what I would say to you is that I do not recognize your power or authority to decide any particular thing about *them*. I do not recognize you as a moral authority. But what I notice is that you believe that you have this right.

Having examined the fringe and far-right (so-called) I noticed that when they use such symbols -- say the swastika -- they use it in unique senses. Not necessarily as those with a National Socialist ideology or intention.
calamity said:
lol...anything will do to excuse Nazi flags, eh?
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Communism has been tremendously more destructive than National Socialism. Can you understand the point?
 
j-mac said:
Trump actually said “fine people from both sides” so, I would assume those that were there from both sides that were protesting peacefully.

By your logic those supporting tearing the statue down were all AntiFa….is that true?
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So you don’t know who he was referring to either or are you saying nazis who didn’t commit violence while protesting are still fine people?

And why is this “my” logic? The event in question was organized by a right wing white nationalist org called “Unite the Right”. It sounds to me like their logic was that nazis should have a seat at that table, no?
 
Helix said:
The far right projecting deflection and projection accusations would be ironically funny if I were in the right mood
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Terms like "The far left" being used to describe anyone not to the right of Joseph McCarthy!
 
Alizia Tyler said:
Well, what I would say to you is that I do not recognize your power or authority to decide any particular thing about *them*. I do not recognize you as a moral authority. But what I notice is that you believe that you have this right.

Having examined the fringe and far-right (so-called) I noticed that when they use such symbols -- say the swastika -- they use it in unique senses. Not necessarily as those with a National Socialist ideology or intention.

Communism has been tremendously more destructive than National Socialism. Can you understand the point?
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So you don't agree that Nazis are bad. Says more about you than it does about me.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Terms like "The far left" being used to describe anyone not to the right of Joseph McCarthy!
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They'd probably call Reagan an illegal immigrant lovin' commie if he were running now.
 
j-mac said:
Trump actually said “fine people from both sides” so, I would assume those that were there from both sides that were protesting peacefully.

By your logic those supporting tearing the statue down were all AntiFa….is that true?
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He did say that. The fine people included neo-nazis. He may not have known what he was saying (dementia does that), but I guarantee Steve Bannon did.
 
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