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The Swedish experiment of doing remarkably little about Covid-19

swing_voter said:
Once we get a vaccine in February, all those people in Sweden would've died for nothing.
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yup

don't forget the pro-lifers who didn't care about life during this Pandemic.
 
Jack Hays said:
The Swedes continue their relaxed approach.

Deutsche Welle
Coronavirus: Sweden keeps its laid-back COVID-19 strategy
Despite rising infection rates, Sweden is sticking to its relatively relaxed approach to managing the coronavirus pandemic. But not everyone in ...
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https://apnews.com/article/virus-ou...weden-europe-bd0a4d9da3340dda2c98b83c56402b47
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The coronavirus death in Sweden, despite of a sharp increase in new coronavirus cases, the number of deaths due to the virus have practically reached a plateau. From October 4 to November 4, the daily new cases jump from 155 to 4,497. But the total deaths in the same period of time went from 5863 to 6007, only 144 death in a month, an average of 5 daily death. This one of the main reasons that Sweden support epidemiologist Tegnell approached to the virus.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
 
www.businessinsider.com

Sweden has admitted its coronavirus immunity predictions were wrong as cases soar across the country

Sweden's chief epidemiologist has acknowledged the country is experiencing a second wave of the coronavirus as COVID-19 cases and deaths surge.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

Hospitalizations have also increased dramatically, with over 1000 patients with COVID-19 being treated in hospitals, a 60% increase from last week. The figures were reported by state broadcaster SVT and cited by the Guardian.

The death rate from coronavirus in Sweden is now one of the highest in the world when adjusted for population size.
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Jack Hays said:
The Swedes continue their relaxed approach.
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it's working out swimmingly...

Total Deaths...
6,164 = Sweden
371 = Finland
294 = Norway


Poplation...
10.2 Million = Sweden
5.5 Million = Finland
5.3 Million = Norway
 
Lord of Planar said:
I think they are doing the right thing by not ruining the economy over this. People who are high risk are adult enough to quarantine themselves against others, right?
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So, all the innocent and uninfected, pay the entire price, with house arrest of the innocent. Not the infected. The ULTIMATE case of blame and burden the victim, glorify the perp.
 
Sweden now has tougher restrictions than Finland.
They ban public gatherings with more than 8 people. In Finland it's still 50 in most regions, and 10 in regions hit extra hard (and currently we only have one such region).
 
Sweden has lower coronavirus Death/1M population rate than the U.S. and others West European countries according to Worldometer. Now it has one of Europe lowest coronavirus death rates.

Comparison of Sweden with some U.S. States and E.U. countries with strict lockdowns with regard to COVID-19 death, updated on November 17 by worldometer.

Place----------Population in MM----------Death in K----------Death/1M pop
Sweden--------------10.1--------------------------6.0-----------------------615
Belgium-------------11.6-------------------------12.9----------------------1259
Spain----------------46.7-------------------------29.4-----------------------891
Italy------------------60.5------------------------41.1-----------------------769
UK-------------------67.8-------------------------48.9-----------------------775
France---------------65.2-------------------------40.2-----------------------708
Netherlands--------17.1---------------------------8.0-----------------------502
USA----------------331.3------------------------243.2-----------------------766

USA States

New York----------19.4------------------------33.8-----------------------1751
New Jersey----------9.0------------------------16.6----------------------1885
Michigan-----------10.0-------------------------7.9------------------------852
Pennsylvania-------12.8-------------------------9.1------------------------738
Illinois--------------12.7------------------------10.5------------------------893
Massachusetts ------6.9------------------------10.1----------------------1503
 
joluoto said:
Sweden now has tougher restrictions than Finland.
They ban public gatherings with more than 8 people. In Finland it's still 50 in most regions, and 10 in regions hit extra hard (and currently we only have one such region).
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Sweden has had no need for tougher restrictions, unlike Sweden. If almost nobody has the virus in Finland and it remains at such a low level, why would there be a need for harsh measures. You take the measures needed based on the occurrence of the virus infection rate.
 
Peter King said:
Sweden has had no need for tougher restrictions, unlike Sweden. If almost nobody has the virus in Finland and it remains at such a low level, why would there be a need for harsh measures. You take the measures needed based on the occurrence of the virus infection rate.
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Still Sweden's infection rate is way higher than Finland's, and Sweden does in fact now have harsher restrictions than we have. This defeats the whole arguments about the Swedes doing nothing. It's obviously false.
 
joluoto said:
Still Sweden's infection rate is way higher than Finland's, and Sweden does in fact now have harsher restrictions than we have. This defeats the whole arguments about the Swedes doing nothing. It's obviously false.
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this thread is 7.5 months old, the title is not representative of later Swedish choices.
 
How Finland and Norway Proved Sweden’s Approach to COVID-19 Works
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https://fee.org/articles/how-finlan...l&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020_FEEDaily

Data show that the policies of Finland and Norway have been even less restrictive than Sweden's for most of the pandemic.

Friday, November 13, 2020

Jon Miltimore

The coronavirus is back in force. Many nations around the world are seeing alarming rises in cases and deaths, totals that in many instances exceed the highs reached in March, April, and May.

From the beginning of the pandemic, governments around the world have tried to tame the virus. All have failed, to varying degrees.

Whether governments implement draconian lockdowns, modest lockdowns, or no lockdowns at all, the virus has spread. Some countries with harsh lockdowns have fared better; many have fared worse. As some have pointed out, the virus doesn’t seem to care what policies you put in place.
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The argument that “Finland and Norway have lower deaths than Sweden—but they have actually been more laissez-faire than their neighbor for the majority of the pandemic”, sounds convincing. Nevertheless, it is true that Finland and Norway since early June have less restrictive policies with regard to the virus than Sweden, and their “laissez-faire policies”, have fairly very well.
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We're doing restrictions in Finland right now, but it's true that Sweden has stricter restrictions. However the government has said that the State of Emergency that we had during spring might be called again if the current measures fails.
 
joluoto said:
We're doing restrictions in Finland right now, but it's true that Sweden has stricter restrictions. However the government has said that the State of Emergency that we had during spring might be called again if the current measures fails.
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The lesson learned is that lockdowns by governments to avoid spreading of the virus is useless. They have not tried to stop influenza and other infectious disease from killing people every year by imposing lockdowns and destroying the economy.

Long, extreme lockdown, will increase death from hunger, psychological trauma, suicide, domestic violence, transportation problems and economic devastation. Most Sweden, Norwegians and Finns will not die from those causes that is one of the benefits.
 
Sandokan said:
The lesson learned is that lockdowns by governments to avoid spreading of the virus is useless.
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Good grief. Stop spreading misinformation.

Sweden is in very bad shape right now. Case, death and hospitalization rates are soaring. There was no economic benefit from their non-policy -- GDP fell by 8% in the most recent quarter, and unemployment is soaring. Tegnell was effectively demoted. Sweden's government is now losing popularity, and is finally locking down.

Yes, that's right. Sweden is now locking down. (https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-a...eden-ends-its-pandemic-experiment-11607261658) They are banning gatherings of more than 8 people, closing entertainment venues, restricting alcohol sales, and closing high schools. Hotels and restaurants are closing as well. Tegnell's claims that Swedes would have an edge in the winter due to "more herd immunity" were completely wrong, as even he now admits.

The new restrictions are going to be in force at least through Christmas (https://www.thelocal.se/20201208/st...sh-leaders-warn-of-christmas-coronavirus-peak).

The nations that locked down properly -- like New Zealand and South Korea -- have consistently seen few cases and few deaths. Sweden is doing very poorly compared to its nearest neighbors, too.

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Long, extreme lockdown, will increase death from hunger, psychological trauma, suicide....
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:rolleyes:

We don't need "long extreme lockdowns." Nations only need to lock down when the virus starts rising out of control. Plus, it's not March 2020. We have a much better idea of how the virus spreads, and how to keep it in check. True, we're all pretty sick of Zoom meetings and baking sourdough bread. But blocking indoor bars and requiring people to (gasp!!) wear masks when they can't socially distance is not the same as solitary confinement.

When the virus recedes, we can relax restrictions, until or unless the virus starts to spread rapidly again. And at this point, we'd only need perhaps one -- at the most two -- more real, effective lockdown before vaccines start to become widely available.

And no, there isn't some massive wave of drunken suicides in New Zealand or Taiwan. I wonder why? :unsure:
 
Southern Sweden political leaders have told Danes to stay away as the virus is out of control.

Of course it aint much better in Denmark at the moment with 2500 new cases today.
 
Scientists find fatal errors in paper which fueled global PCR-driven lockdowns
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Scientists find fatal errors in paper which fueled global PCR-driven lockdowns – World Tribune: Window on the Real World

by WorldTribune Staff, December 9, 2020

The creators of the RT-PCR test, the most commonly used coronavirus test, published instructions in January 2020 for how to test for the virus (scientific name SARS-CoV-2). The paper admitted the test was created “without having virus material available,” instead relying on the genetic sequence published on the Internet by Chinese scientists.

The paper, “Detection of 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) by real-time PCR”, was published on Jan. 23, 2020 in Eurosurveillance (Europe’s journal on infectious disease surveillance, epidemiology, prevention and control).

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The testing method yields between 80 and 97 percent false positive results. / ANI
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The paper had been submitted on January 22 and published the very next day. Eurosurveillance may want to consider submitting this feat to Guinness World Records as the fastest peer review of all time. Great work by “22 international scientists who wrote a letter demanding the paper’s retraction, along with an extensive critique citing 10 errors in the paper the scientists deemed “fatal.”
 
Sandokan said:
The paper had been submitted on January 22 and published the very next day. Eurosurveillance may want to consider submitting this feat to Guinness World Records as the fastest peer review of all time. Great work by “22 international scientists who wrote a letter demanding the paper’s retraction, along with an extensive critique citing 10 errors in the paper the scientists deemed “fatal.”
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World Tribune is not a valid source...it is most likely a Russian disinformation site based out of the US.
 
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