Scarecrow Akhbar said:
So you either lack an understanding of the history of technology, or you lack vision. Which is it?
Neither. You are merely making false claims.
Africans dying of AIDS had a choice, or their parents did. Needless to say, embryos don't.
But their parents do. Exactly. Thanks for pointing that out. Seems like you just sunk your own artgument. Rather silly of you, but there we are.
Africans have their own governments to babysit them. Embryos in American petri dishes have the US Constitution.
You are actually lying again, as the US Constitution doesn't have the US Constitution to babysit them. Amazing how your argument seems to be based on you trying to present your wishful thinking as a fact. That merely makes you look like a liar.
Yep. I'm selfish. There's no higher need than an individual's survival. Since it's my kidney, it's my survival that matters, not theirs.
And you won't die from donating that extra kidney. You live just fine with just one kidney. So it is no more your life than, f.ex, it is the woman's life when she choses to not give of her bodily resources against her will and have an abortion. You just provided the classic argument for abortion rights.
And if it's a baby's stem cells
It isn't. Babies really don't have meaningful stemcells. We are talking about early embryos. Well, to be technical, we are really talking morulas here, not even yet blastocysts, and therefore not yet membryos in the scientific sense.
that have to be ripped out at an early stage of development, that baby's survival is more important than a defective with a bad kidney.
Other than it not being a baby, it is fascinating that you put a lump of non-sentient, non-sensate cells abobe a person. Guess that for you, life only matter until birth. After that, per your writings, I suspect you merely see them as welfare leeches.
One man's misfortune doesn't give him a right to destroy another life to compensate.
And he wouldn't. Live donation of your extra kidney is safer than giving birth.
Therefore, you should be able to be forced to give that kidney, right? After all, as long as it doesn't kill you, you can be forced to give of your bodily resources against your will, right?
That's nonsense. Firstly, there's a sizable after-market now for aborted baby body parts.
Yes, the prolife lie-sites are full of that lie. Let me see, was it 20/20 who had the guy on there talking about it? How was it he later put it? "[The prolifers] paid me a lot of money,. so I lied and reported all this stuff about selling fetuses."
To bad for your argument that prolifers have been shown to lie time after time after time, until it now is established that they are almost incapable of making an argument without lying.
Secondly, it does depend on what stage of the pregnancy is aborted, yes? Of course yes. Early first trimester scrape and suck abortions will yield vast amounts of the desired stem cells.
Nope.
Stem cells come from anywhere. Adults have stem cells. There's plenty of useful stem cell material in umbilical cords.
Not Pleuropotential stemcells.
Embryonic stem cells, however, can be extracted from abortions.
And your scientific evidence for this claim is...?
What's really disturbing is the ignorance evident in your post.
That you don't understand what I am talking about is evidence of your ignorance of even basic medical science. You projecting your ignorance onto me merely shows that you now are resorting to the more primitive defense mechanisms.
Because this is a free country in which R&D is supposed to be conducted by the private sector, and neither the private sector nor the public is allowed to experiment on human beings.
But then, "beings," individual biological entities, do not include the few cells in a dish anyway, so your claim is nonsense, it is just prolife radical revisionist linguistic hyperbole.
Funny, though. There's not much news about private investors hopping on the ESCR band wagon. If that ain't a good indication that the science is too immature, nothing is. One should question why political hacks are pressing the issue. They usually only make that kind of noise when they're lining their friends' pockets.
How many billions did California just put into state-funded stemcell research? They are probably to late, though. Singapore is rapidly cornering the market, and can then be the next pharmaceutical giant, leaving American Enterprise foundering. Prolifers must be Luddites.
