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The Steal Has Started

watsup said:
You don’t know that. Have you personally checked every claim that they made? We don’t know what sort of bias they are including in their “statistics” or whether it actually means anything at all. It’s just another fad right propaganda site financed by wealthy fat cat Republicans that is intended to fool the gullible into thinking that there are problems where there are not.
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sigh...

See post #64.
 
Ginger Ale said:
We spent months in AZ waiting for our ballots to be counted and sniffed over for Panda pooh! Please, don't latch onto us again this year if Kamala wins, it's crazy town and I want my vote counted!
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You wrote a while ago that Kamala would take AZ in 2024. Still believe it?
 
Mycroft said:
We aren't talking about what the post office is doing. We are talking about addresses on voter registration rolls. That is where ballots are mailed to, you know?
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You have faith a lot of people write down their address legibly or send in a correct address.

But no, it just has to be a conspiracy even though every mail room or company that mails out things deals with the exact same issues you posted in the OP . :D
 
Ginger Ale said:
MAGA has ruined election integrity and our peaceful transfer of power. It's all we had to separate us from shit hole chaotic countries like Brazil. Why on earth do you think we accepted the results peacefully all these years? Because there was zero fraud? Are MAGAs really that ****ing stupid?

Stop ruining the country you inhabit!
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Oh, that's funny. Real funny! There was a peaceful transfer of power, from Trump to Biden. Nothing you imagine can change the facts. Just stop trying so hard to spread the manure. It's not working.

The nation on Wednesday witnessed the transfer of power from former GOP President Donald Trump to Democratic President Joe Biden.
 
Mycroft said:
By then, it's too late. They'll be counted.


Ballots aren't being mailed to "random addresses". They are being mailed to addresses given on registration forms.
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Good. At least they save some postage that way.

Mycoft, ol' buddy, you guys seem like you are in a panic. Trump hasn't lost yet.

Shouldn't you save your bullshit until AFTER Trump loses. I mean, if the election is corrupt, like you're trying to get everyone to believe, what if your guy wins? Would that mean they were fair and honest after all? Or, would that mean your guy won due to a corrupt election?
 
Luce said:
DId you get a load of the referendums on the ballot this time around?
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Referendums/ballot measures in Arizona are very heavily skewed towards Republican turnout unless I'm quite mistaken.
 
americanwoman said:
You have faith a lot of people write down their address legibly or send in a correct address.
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Do you think election officials should check and verify addresses before mailing ballots? Or, do you think they should just go ahead and send an official ballot to an address...whether it is correct or if it even exists or not?
 
PoliSciPulse said:
Referendums/ballot measures in Arizona are very heavily skewed towards Republican turnout unless I'm quite mistaken.
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They were a hoot.

Aside from the abortion referendum and two school proposals, it was p2025 all the way.

"Please allow us to discard any referendums we don't like."
"Please allow is to override any county or city's internal election process for elections at any level."
"Please allow us to get our property taxes back if there are any homeless people around."
"Please allow us to remove elected judges if they make decisions we don't like."
etc.
 
Mycroft said:
Do you think election officials should check and verify addresses before mailing ballots? Or, do you think they should just go ahead and send an official ballot to an address...whether it is correct or if it even exists or not?
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Okay. So what if they do the latter?

It's still illegal for someone to vote illegally, regardless of how they got the ballot.
 
trixare4kids said:
You wrote a while ago that Kamala would take AZ in 2024. Still believe it?
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I do, which was the reason for the post.
I don't think MAGA will be searching our ballots for Panda Pooh if Trump wins. Remember what he said like a 4 year old at his rally? If I win it was fair, if I lose it was stolen! I think he will lose. :) So.....
 
Luce said:
They were a hoot.

Aside from the abortion referendum and two school proposals, it was p2025 all the way.

"Please allow us to discard any referendums we don't like."
"Please allow is to override any county or city's internal election process for elections at any level."
"Please allow us to get our property taxes back if there are any homeless people around."
"Please allow us to remove elected judges if they make decisions we don't like."
etc.
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Do you think that those referendums succeeded in driving up Republican turnout, or were they too zany for Republicans to care? Can cut both ways since not all Republicans are Trump voters. However, about 99% of Trump Voters are Republicans. That 1% would be full of people like RFK, etc. Just so you know why I didn't say 100% :P
 
Luce said:
They were a hoot.

Aside from the abortion referendum and two school proposals, it was p2025 all the way.

"Please allow us to discard any referendums we don't like."
"Please allow is to override any county or city's internal election process for elections at any level."
"Please allow us to get our property taxes back if there are any homeless people around."
"Please allow us to remove elected judges if they make decisions we don't like."
etc.
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Indeed, and these loons think if they throw enough of this shit at the wall it will stick! I do hope voters were paying attention! I went through that ballot with a fine tooth comb!
 
PoliSciPulse said:
Do you think that those referendums succeeded in driving up Republican turnout, or were they too zany for Republicans to care? Can cut both ways since not all Republicans are Trump voters. However, about 99% of Trump Voters are Republicans. That 1% would be full of people like RFK, etc. Just so you know why I didn't say 100% :p
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This is totally normal for us.

When recreational marijuana was on the ballot, a judge had to step in and make them clearly state what a yes vote meant and what a no vote meant, because the committee reworded the passed referendum request to read like IKEA instructions.
 
Since @Ginger Ale liked my post before I edit it, I'll add my second layer of analysis on here:

Sometimes, you can either be too extreme or not moderate enough to attract your voter base. If the referendums did what you said, that would be bordering on the extreme for most moderate Republicans (And yes, they do exist :p )
 
Ginger Ale said:
Indeed, and these loons think if they throw enough of this shit at the wall it will stick! I do hope voters were paying attention! I went through that ballot with a fine tooth comb!
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The death payout for first responders was particularly onerous in it's deception.
 
Mycroft said:
Do you think election officials should check and verify addresses before mailing ballots? Or, do you think they should just go ahead and send an official ballot to an address...whether it is correct or if it even exists or not?
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If you think it's so easy to verify and check millions of addresses, perhaps you should get a job in a mail room. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't I just don't think many states have the funds and verifying addresses are not as easy as you seem to think it it.

If you are so worried invalid addresses, you should start campaigning to make sure the states are properly funded so they have loads of people employed to check and every address. Maybe even go to the house themselves to make sure Joe Schmoe really does live there.
 
Luce said:
Okay. So what if they do the latter?

It's still illegal for someone to vote illegally, regardless of how they got the ballot.
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If someone collects those ballots, votes them illegally and drops them in a drop box, how will you KNOW the ballot was voted illegally? You won't...and the ballot will be counted.
 
Mycroft said:
This election, it's not about counting votes. It's about bogus ballots.

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www.stopbogusballots.com

Stop Bogus Ballots

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Who is requesting these ballots? Who is collecting these ballots? And, what are they going to do with them?
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This is part of the problem. We keep getting information like this regarding mail in voting and registrations but I rarely if ever see acknowledgement by the states that these issues have occurred, are being looked into or have otherwise been resolved. Furthermore, based primarily on the court determination out here in AZ that signature validation processes don't really need to be effective, much less enforced, I have a hard time believing that ANY of this stuff is being looked at with a critical eye. It seems that the objective is to merely get more votes on the books and issues of proper registration and verification that the vote cast was actually cast by the registrant are not looked at in anything like a meaningful way.
 
Mycroft said:
If someone collects those ballots, votes them illegally and drops them in a drop box, how will you KNOW the ballot was voted illegally? You won't...and the ballot will be counted.
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Amazing how a handful of people get busted doing just that in every election, right?
 
Luce said:
This is totally normal for us.

When recreational marijuana was on the ballot, a judge had to step in and make them clearly state what a yes vote meant and what a no vote meant, because the committee reworded the passed referendum request to read like IKEA instructions.
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Which part is normal? The extremism in the ballot measures, or the obfuscated wording? Nice to meet you, by the way! It's neat to find out what others outside of my state think :)
 
Lutherf said:
This is part of the problem. We keep getting information like this regarding mail in voting and registrations but I rarely if ever see acknowledgement by the states that these issues have occurred, are being looked into or have otherwise been resolved. Furthermore, based primarily on the court determination out here in AZ that signature validation processes don't really need to be effective, much less enforced, I have a hard time believing that ANY of this stuff is being looked at with a critical eye. It seems that the objective is to merely get more votes on the books and issues of proper registration and verification that the vote cast was actually cast by the registrant are not looked at in anything like a meaningful way.
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Are bamboo ballots involved?
 
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