The shutdown may have been for nothing

[Rawley]

Trump ****ed up over testing, and continues to do so. It's not a plot or a conspiracy to criticise him for it. It's the appropriate response to his insane indifference to the suffering.

Really? Did he mix the wrong test tubes together? What are you talking about?

 

[Manc Skipper]

Really? Did he mix the wrong test tubes together? What are you talking about?

It would take too long to batter the information in.

 

[Rawley]

It would take too long to batter the information in.

Of course. Your time is too valuable to support the claims you make here. Understood.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

Trump ****ed up over testing, and continues to do so. It's not a plot or a conspiracy to criticise him for it. It's the appropriate response to his insane indifference to the suffering.

I fail to see the magic in testing.

 

[joko104]

If you test negative today, and you go to work with only people who have also tested negative, how are you going to contract the virus?

No, everyone can test negative and 15% are positive.
Study Raises Questions About False Negatives From Quick COVID-19 Test : Shots - Health News : NPR
No, anyone can be positive the next day.
No, people can get re-infected.

Or do you advocate everyone be given 3 tests every day to cover false negatives and for people who have become infected?

Tests will just give a false sense of security that doesn't exist.

 

[joko104]

I fail to see the magic in testing.

That's because you don't see the profit and bio-terrorism value. Imagine the profits on a billion tests and tracking everyone - while continuing the 24/7 bio-terrorism campaign.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

That's because you don't see the profit and bio-terrorism value. Imagine the profits on a billion tests and tracking everyone - while continuing the 24/7 bio-terrorism campaign.

Ah, yes.

The Swamp way of looking at things.

"Testing" is not a treatment. The MSM and the Swamp are pushing this to low information voters as if it were a treatment. It's not.

 

[joko104]

It doesn't need to be on a daily basis. Make testing a prerequisite for returning to work. Maybe go in every 15 or 30 days for a retest to continue working. Until we can do this, self-isolation and social distancing are the only other option.

No, YOUR option is for YOU to stay in YOUR residence never coming out. Then and only then are you safe. Control yourself rather than your desire to control everyone else so you don't have to control yourself.

 

[Lursa]

All bureaucracies and bureaucrats need to justify their existence. Do you not pay attention to how that mindset behaves?

Maybe I've had too many dealings with too many federal and state agencies?

So then no bureaucracies or bureaucrats fulfill their purposes?

Do you pay attention to how things get done in communities, states, nations? Does 'anything' work properly?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Rawley]

Ah, yes.

The Swamp way of looking at things.

"Testing" is not a treatment. The MSM and the Swamp are pushing this to low information voters as if it were a treatment. It's not.

Just watched a bit of Brian Williams and the dipstick Nicole Wallace at lunch. I swear, they are praying that people get infected and die in the states that are re-opening their economies.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

Just watched a bit of Brian Williams and the dipstick Nicole Wallace at lunch. I swear, they are praying that people get infected and die in the states that are re-opening their economies.

Joe and Mika this morning were declaring that we would be in a double dip depression (yes, the D word) and that things would never go back to normal because people would be scared.

If people are scared, they are responsible for that.

 

[Rawley]

Joe and Mika this morning were declaring that we would be in a double dip depression (yes, the D word) and that things would never go back to normal because people would be scared.

If people are scared, they are responsible for that.

Luckily, their audiences are so minuscule.

 

[upsideguy]

Totally false. No hospitals came anywhere close to being overwhelmed. Rather, there were mostly empty beds because hospitals refused to accept most other people - killing people with medical issues by the thousands.

Actually, not true. Many hospitals became overwhelmed, particularly in NYC, particularly Elmhurst. Fortunately, the entire medical system did NOT become overwhelmed as some states did a good job of staying just ahead of the wave. The stay-at-home strategy did cut the transmission rate from 2 to 1 to .8 to 1. That was a big reason the medical system did not become overwhelmed.

13 Deaths in a Day: An ‘Apocalyptic’ Coronavirus Surge at an N.Y.C. Hospital - The New York Times
Opinion | In Elmhurst, Queens, I’m a Doctor at the ‘Epicenter of the Epicenter’ in New York - The New York Times

Its a bit of a logic fail to take the achievement of the desired results of an action and use those results to say the action wasn't required.

 

[grip]

Just watched a bit of Brian Williams and the dipstick Nicole Wallace at lunch. I swear, they are praying that people get infected and die in the states that are re-opening their economies.

You swear that Brian Williams and Nicole Wallace were praying that people get infected and die? I don't think even the dipstick 'Left' likes the stay-in-place orders, much less wishes death on those who refuse too.

 

[Rawley]

You swear that Brian Williams and Nicole Wallace were praying that people get infected and die? I don't think even the dipstick 'Left' likes the stay-in-place orders, much less wishes death on those who refuse too.

You're kidding right? They hope the lockdown stays in place for the next four years. They have jobs, their ratings are up because their content tells people they will die if they don't continue watching.

 

[j brown's body]

The national shutdown, tens of millions unemployed, trillions lost and spent and a nation terrorized all has been for nothing - other than making the richest people and corporations on earth richer faster than ever.

The WHO now says having had covid-19 does NOT protect a person from being reinfected.

[h=1]WHO says no evidence shows that having coronavirus prevents a second infection[/h][FONT="]"There is no evidence yet that people who have had Covid-19 will not get a second infection," WHO said in a [URL="https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19"]scientific brief[/URL] published Friday. It cautions against governments that are considering issuing so-called "immunity passports" to people who have had Covid-19, assuming they are safe to resume normal life.

WHO says no evidence of Covid-19 immunity from antibodies - CNN

If people can be re-infected then no immunity has been built up, there is no herd immunity possible, and the shutdown has been totally worthless other than extremely harmful to most people - while making astronomical extra profits for the richest people and corporations on earth - making it even far worse than just a hoax. [/FONT]

If nothing else, it exposed Trump's incredible incompetence, and gives us a better chance to be rid of him. So there is that.

 

[j brown's body]

Joe and Mika this morning were declaring that we would be in a double dip depression (yes, the D word) and that things would never go back to normal because people would be scared.

If people are scared, they are responsible for that.

A competent leader could help remedy that.

 

[grip]

You're kidding right? They hope the lockdown stays in place for the next four years. They have jobs, their ratings are up because their content tells people they will die if they don't continue watching.

You said they were 'praying that people get infected and die.' You lied and that's a disgusting thing to say.

 

[redgirl]

You posted an antimicrobial treatment and a dead YouTube link. Please don't insert tubes down to your lungs.

Wow, that's such a crazy response. I'm still surprised sometimes at the hyper-partisan dishonesty people are capable of. It's like they stop being normal people you can have a conversation with and turn into these weird trollbots.

Anyway, what I posted was a link to a biotech company that is developing a new therapy in conjunction with Ceders-Sinai that uses a UV light emitting tube that is inserted into the respiratory tract to treat Covid-19.

Wall Street Journal article by the CEO of the company that developed the therapy:
An Experimental Ultraviolet Light Treatment for Covid-19 Takes Political Heat - WSJ

 

[Rawley]

You said they were 'praying that people get infected and die.' You lied and that's a disgusting thing to say.

Please. Do you really think Nicole Wallace gives a rat's rear about the people in Bumblebutt Georgia? She derides and mocks them every single day.

 

[grip]

Please. Do you really think Nicole Wallace gives a rat's rear about the people in Bumblebutt Georgia? She derides and mocks them every single day.

 

[Rawley]

Good advice.

 

[marke]

The consequences could certainly be quite dire if the shutdown lasts too long. That's why it is a matter of degree. If the consequences of the shutdown become worse than the consequences of the pandemic, then the proper course of action is to reopen the economy to balance it out.

Balance is key.

Businesses are failing every day which will never be able to reopen no matter how many thousands of dollars are sent to them and their workers during the shut down. The economy has already suffered and will continue to suffer permanent damage from the shut down.

 

[lwf]

Businesses are failing every day which will never be able to reopen no matter how many thousands of dollars are sent to them and their workers during the shut down. The economy has already suffered and will continue to suffer permanent damage from the shut down.

It's worth it. A failed business is a small price to pay to save a life.

 

[hermit]

when you say it's not worse than the flu you destroy your entire argument.

that's why we can't trust you guys and we do trust intelligent people.

What do the numbers say?