The rich are different — and not in a good way, studies suggest

[TurtleDude]

you are joking... you MUST be joking... you use an ideologically fabricated term... and accuse me of linguistic manipulation? ya know... semantics (the study of meaning in words) is a valuable asset in argument.


gee... without you to tell us what we know....


and doubtless you can show a single instance of that? i do not actually care that you use over the top language... we all do... but to insist that others take it literally is ridiculous.

there is no Death Tax. no one is taxed for dying.

geo.

a few months ago one of your fellow travelers DENIED THAT THE IRS EVER USED THE TERM DEATH TAX

I cited a 627 Letter and another person actually cited the IRS federal regulations

you want to continue with your denial and get your nose rubbed in the truth as he did?

the fact that the government calls one of its laws a benign name only is persuasive to useful fools who support the government in that area.

its like clinton calling his gun ban "the safe street act"

guess what no one could find ANY evidence that the clinton gun ban made the streets safer

 

[TheDemSocialist]

what was the average EFFECTIVE TAX RATE FROM 1789-2011?

Please counter my claim with logic not a question Turtle that is called dodging... Im glad you did not even read one of those articles Turtle bravo!!

 

[TurtleDude]

Its not a death tax... Its a tax that affect 3/10 of 1% of the richest Americans. So 99.7% dont gotta pay it or something close to that... But no matter what you dont get taxed for dying Turtle..

More semantic nonsense

and it affects far more than that

look it up

 

[TurtleDude]

Please counter my claim with logic not a question Turtle that is called dodging... Im glad you did not even read one of those articles Turtle bravo!!

I don't need to read them. Unless they account for the entire history of the country than they are bogus

 

[Geo Patric]

sorry-moronic throwaway lines with no basis in fact are not proof

1) dropping out of school
2) doing drugs
3) breeding before marriage

are the three most important factors that cause people to be poor

not the rich

no. reason tells us that there is a finite amount of material good, (wealth) available and the more one has, the less another has.

THAT is First Cause. any other contributing factor is secondary.

geo.

 

[Geo Patric]

a few months ago one of your fellow travelers DENIED THAT THE IRS EVER USED THE TERM DEATH TAX

i have no 'fellow travelers' (sorta outdated propaganda there, dude)... i ain't goin' nowhere.

so. no, you cannot show the IRS using that offensive term. i thought not.

geo.

 

[TurtleDude]

no. reason tells us that there is a finite amount of material good, (wealth) available and the more one has, the less another has.

THAT is First Cause. any other contributing factor is secondary.

geo.

reason tells us we have not come close to the end of material good. so your claim is bogus right now

 

[TurtleDude]

i have no 'fellow travelers' (sorta outdated propaganda there, dude)... i ain't goin' nowhere.

so. no, you cannot show the IRS using that offensive term. i thought not.

geo.

again you lie, I am not going to go back and find the proof we posted when haymarket made that claim and got his nose rubbed in it

 

[TheDemSocialist]

More semantic nonsense

and it affects far more than that

look it up

I think you may need to do some research Turtle.......
PolitiFact | Sen. Bernie Sanders says 99.7% of American families would be exempt from estate tax

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I don't need to read them. Unless they account for the entire history of the country than they are bogus

Ok excuse me sense the founding of the income tax.... Does that make you feel better. And do you know what the term historically means Turtle and how it is implied here?

 

[What if...?]

a few months ago one of your fellow travelers DENIED THAT THE IRS EVER USED THE TERM DEATH TAX

I cited a 627 Letter and another person actually cited the IRS federal regulations

you want to continue with your denial and get your nose rubbed in the truth as he did?

the fact that the government calls one of its laws a benign name only is persuasive to useful fools who support the government in that area.

its like clinton calling his gun ban "the safe street act"

guess what no one could find ANY evidence that the clinton gun ban made the streets safer

Just for clarification, is it part of the tax code or just an IRS document?

 

[TurtleDude]

I think you may need to do some research Turtle.......
PolitiFact | Sen. Bernie Sanders says 99.7% of American families would be exempt from estate tax

a socialist politician is hardly evidence or authority

you are unable to comprehend that spending money to avoid the death tax means you are affected by it

 

[TurtleDude]

Just for clarification, is it part of the tax code or just an IRS document?

official documents issued by the IRS. I believe the other poster cited the CFR or other IRS regulations

Haymarket denied that the IRS ever uses that term

Estate and Gift Tax Examinations

ven as to unagreed reports, evidence of actual payment of state death taxes need not be secured when the area director is satisfied that local enforcement procedures for the collection of state death taxes are adequate. Procedures followed in the areas, incident to the verification of payment, may vary depending upon whether:they do in a 627 letter (AKA an estate tax closing letter)

 

[Geo Patric]

reason tells us we have not come close to the end of material good. so your claim is bogus right now

on the contrary..... we are dangerously close to the end of even potential material good.... consider:

only 0.6 acres of farmland would be available to grow food for each American in 2050, as opposed to the 1.8 acres per capita available today. At least 1.2 acres per person is required in order to maintain current American dietary standards.

halved.... in 40 years - 2 generations. leaving less than we need. we would have to import. IF there is someone somewhere with excess.

the U.S. will most likely cease to be a food exporter by approximately 2025 because food grown in the U.S. will be needed for domestic purposes. . . food exports earn $40 billion for the U.S. annually

a massive loss of income. who will be the ones going without?

Considering that America is the world's largest food exporter, the future survival of millions of people around the world may also come into question if food exports from the U.S. were to cease.

- "Food, Land, Population, and the U.S. Economy" by Drs. David Pimentel of Cornell University and Mario Giampietro of the Istituto Nazionale della Nutrizione, Rome.

one report recently posed the possibility that by 2030, the planet will lack sufficient arable lad to provide enough food to feed the planet's inhabitants.

and that is POTENTIAL good... ACTUAL good... is owed - ALL of it. in order to get something you have to take it from someone.

even if that lil ghetto girl gave up drugs, got a degree and had no babies... upward bound? if there is room up there... if there is someone losing what she already has.... and of course every upward means a corresponding downward because in a closed system, there is no gain without a corresponding loss. simple reason.

geo.

 

[Geo Patric]

again you lie, I am not going to go back and find the proof we posted when haymarket made that claim and got his nose rubbed in it

again, you use that term far too easily. far more easily than you would if you had to actually face me.

you cannot show what you claim. you never do.

geo.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

a socialist politician is hardly evidence or authority

you are unable to comprehend that spending money to avoid the death tax means you are affected by it

Wait so sense i spend money i am affected by this tax?
And your right i guess he was wrong on the issue cuz politifcat is obviously pro socialist too right? Everyone is just against your view right?
TurtleDude this is how YOU debate: "that is wrong because i say so". "That is wrong because he is a socialist".
You dont go over any of the facts, claims, or issues raised in anything you always just play the victim...

 

[TurtleDude]

again, you use that term far too easily. far more easily than you would if you had to actually face me.

you cannot show what you claim. you never do.

geo.

wtf is this some sort of a challenge to a duel?

I'm your huckleberry:lamo

 

[TurtleDude]

Wait so sense i spend money i am affected by this tax?
And your right i guess he was wrong on the issue cuz politifcat is obviously pro socialist too right? Everyone is just against your view right?
TurtleDude this is how YOU debate: "that is wrong because i say so". "That is wrong because he is a socialist".
You dont go over any of the facts, claims, or issues raised in anything you always just play the victim...

During his attempt to calm the markets yesterday, President Obama once again signaled his belief that America needs higher, not lower taxes. Indeed, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that Obama's remarks had "included a call for tax changes that would boost payments from 'wealthy Americans and corporations,' but this phrase was taken out at the last minute. None the less, Mr. Obama seems obsessed with the notion that wealthy Americans and corporations are not paying enough taxes.

The President's notions are not, however, grounded in fact. Let's review the data on individual taxpayers first:

Recently released IRS data for 2009, shows that taxpayers earning over $200,000 paid 50 percent of the $866 billion in total income taxes paid that year, or $434 billion. Skeptics will say, "That's because they earn the majority of the income in America. Not so. These taxpayers earned 25 percent of the $7.6 trillion in total adjusted gross income in the country that year.

The Tax Foundation - The Facts Contradict Obama's Calls for Higher Taxes on the Rich and Corporations

 

[AdamT]

I guess you haven't figured out that a guy making a million is going to pay ten times as much as a guy making 100K

your math sucks

Well, there are plenty of millionaires who don't pay any income tax at all, so I think that most kids with a third grade education would laugh at your math skills.

 

[Alyssa]

sorry-moronic throwaway lines with no basis in fact are not proof

1) dropping out of school
2) doing drugs
3) breeding before marriage

are the three most important factors that cause people to be poor

not the rich

too much suckling on the public teat

too much dropping out of school, too much doing drugs and having children out of marriage with too many different partners

a 58K tax cut means little when you pay more in one year than 100 million do in ten

the fact is-if you cannot afford to pay for the government you want, you should demand less government rather than demand someone else pay for what you want

Both of these posts misrepresent an entire class of people. Not all of todays poor do those things. Many lost their jobs through situations beyond their control.

why do you rant about the "super wealthy" when all the tax hike schemes treat those making a few hundred k to a few million the same as billionaires?

Because the super wealthy are the ones I have a problem with, not the upper middle class professionals who do pay too many taxes.

 

[AdamT]

we can start with all the crap that violates the tenth amendment

Ah right, you are the constitutional scholar. :lol:

 

[AdamT]

During his attempt to calm the markets yesterday, President Obama once again signaled his belief that America needs higher, not lower taxes. Indeed, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that Obama's remarks had "included a call for tax changes that would boost payments from 'wealthy Americans and corporations,' but this phrase was taken out at the last minute. None the less, Mr. Obama seems obsessed with the notion that wealthy Americans and corporations are not paying enough taxes.

The President's notions are not, however, grounded in fact. Let's review the data on individual taxpayers first:

Recently released IRS data for 2009, shows that taxpayers earning over $200,000 paid 50 percent of the $866 billion in total income taxes paid that year, or $434 billion. Skeptics will say, "That's because they earn the majority of the income in America. Not so. These taxpayers earned 25 percent of the $7.6 trillion in total adjusted gross income in the country that year.

The Tax Foundation - The Facts Contradict Obama's Calls for Higher Taxes on the Rich and Corporations

Skeptics would say that it's because they control much, much more than 50% of the wealth in the country.

 

[TurtleDude]

Ah right, you are the constitutional scholar. :lol:

past career-I turned down a teaching tenure track con-Law position at a local law school Chase Law school, NKU) for far more interesting trial work

 

[TurtleDude]

Skeptics would say that it's because they control much, much more than 50% of the wealth in the country.

ah a basic misunderstanding of our tax code which taxes income not wealth

massive fail.

 

[AdamT]

ah a basic misunderstanding of our tax code which taxes income not wealth

massive fail.

No misunderstanding at all. Just recognition of the fact that you can't raise a lot of money by taxing people who don't have money.