The past eight years were the eight warmest on record for planet

[Fletch]

So typical,you can't back.up your "truth" with facts so you lash out. I wasn't even being mean. What up?!

You questioned their religion.

 

[Tbird]

Absolutely. Global warming disrupts climate systems that lead to polar vortexes too.

And you received your metrology degree from where?

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

So typical,you can't back.up your "truth" with facts so you lash out. I wasn't even being mean. What up?!

If you don't realize that you can't draw a conclusion on the global warming issue from a singular weather event, then you have nothing to contribute to this discussion. It's called cherry picking. "It's raining today in Phoenix, so there must be no drought."

 

[SuperDS77]

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"The last eight years have been the eight warmest on record as the growing concentration of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere pushes global temperatures toward a dangerous tipping point, a new report shows.

Records show the concentration of carbon in the atmosphere has not been this high in around 2 million years
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Nothing to see here folks... a little warmer summer for you all... extreme weather events like "record-breaking heatwaves in Europe, deadly floods in Pakistan, extreme widespread flooding in Australia, and that saw the Antarctic Sea reach its lowest minimum extent on record"... are just fake news clearly, or if not, totally unrelated to human activity, or if it is, not worth worrying about cuz... we got to stick it to libruls!

... and all the climate scientists across the globe are in cahoots to fool us all!

I love how the axis is always stretched (only .2 deg per gradation) on these charts to make the increase appear greater.

The sky is NOT falling.

 

[SuperDS77]

If you don't realize that you can't draw a conclusion on the global warming issue from a singular weather event, then you have nothing to contribute to this discussion. It's called cherry picking. "It's raining today in Phoenix, so there must be no drought."

It seems that the climate alarmists do this exact thing when saying that this slice of time (~175 years) compared to the climate since the beginning of the planet (5-15 billion years)..

Is not comparing 175 years ("raining in Phoenix") to 15 billion years a fallacious correlation as well.

 

[Fletch]

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"The last eight years have been the eight warmest on record as the growing concentration of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere pushes global temperatures toward a dangerous tipping point, a new report shows.

Records show the concentration of carbon in the atmosphere has not been this high in around 2 million years
"

Nothing to see here folks... a little warmer summer for you all... extreme weather events like "record-breaking heatwaves in Europe, deadly floods in Pakistan, extreme widespread flooding in Australia, and that saw the Antarctic Sea reach its lowest minimum extent on record"... are just fake news clearly, or if not, totally unrelated to human activity, or if it is, not worth worrying about cuz... we got to stick it to libruls!

... and all the climate scientists across the globe are in cahoots to fool us all!

Explain to me how we could know with any real certainty, let alone to the tenth of a degree, what the 'average global temperature' was in 1850? Or 1910? Or 1970 for that matter.

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

It seems that the climate alarmists do this exact thing when saying that this slice of time (~175 years) compared to the climate since the beginning of the planet (5-15 billion years)..

Is not comparing 175 years ("raining in Phoenix") to 15 billion years a fallacious correlation as well.

IMO it's unreasonable to look at extremes of climate over a 15 billion year period and use those extremes to downplay the effects of CO2 and other greenhouse gases that have been accelerated by man's activities over the last 200 years.

 

[Fletch]

IMO it's unreasonable to look at extremes of climate over a 15 billion year period and use those extremes to downplay the effects of CO2 and other greenhouse gases that have been accelerated by man's activities over the last 200 years.

Except we have no idea what the global temperature was 200 years ago. Or 100 years ago. Or 50.

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

Except we have no idea what the global temperature was 200 years ago. Or 100 years ago. Or 50.

NASA considers 1880 to be the beginning of global temperature measurements. That's 140 years ago. Of course other means of estimating global temperatures, such as ice cores, tree rings, etc. can be used as well.
https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/21/why...ure record,temperatures for the entire planet.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Thats great news!! I love warm weather.

For which we can all thank Saint Greta of the Immaculate Hoax.

 

[Visbek]

I love how the axis is always stretched (only .2 deg per gradation) on these charts to make the increase appear greater.

There is no "stretching." It's a linear chart, not a log chart. Each line is the exact same increment. Yeesh.

It seems that the climate alarmists do this exact thing when saying that this slice of time (~175 years) compared to the climate since the beginning of the planet (5-15 billion years)..

First, the Earth is around 4.54 billion years old. Not 15.

Second, climate scientists are not misrepresenting anything. They explicitly state "recorded history" to distinguish it from proxy measurements.

Third, the reality is that temperatures are soaring, and we're already seeing the kinds of effects predicted for years -- e.g. rising sea levels; stronger storms; impacts on crops, and so on.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

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"The last eight years have been the eight warmest on record as the growing concentration of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere pushes global temperatures toward a dangerous tipping point, a new report shows.

Records show the concentration of carbon in the atmosphere has not been this high in around 2 million years
"

Nothing to see here folks... a little warmer summer for you all... extreme weather events like "record-breaking heatwaves in Europe, deadly floods in Pakistan, extreme widespread flooding in Australia, and that saw the Antarctic Sea reach its lowest minimum extent on record"... are just fake news clearly, or if not, totally unrelated to human activity, or if it is, not worth worrying about cuz... we got to stick it to libruls!

... and all the climate scientists across the globe are in cahoots to fool us all!

You mean by driving my car I get warmer weather? Sounds good to me. You should be thanking me for nicer weather

 

[EMNofSeattle]

There is no "stretching." It's a linear chart, not a log chart. Each line is the exact same increment. Yeesh.





First, the Earth is around 4.54 billion years old. Not 15.

Second, climate scientists are not misrepresenting anything. They explicitly state "recorded history" to distinguish it from proxy measurements.

Third, the reality is that temperatures are soaring, and we're already seeing the kinds of effects predicted for years -- e.g. rising sea levels;

Marginally rising levels, the type that’s of no real concern in most places and the handful of places it is, can be mitigated

stronger storms;

No, there is no evidence for this claim. We don’t have the ability to accurately measure past storms that predate modern measuring equipment

impacts on crops,

All positive

and so on.

Yeah, don’t be so pessimistic. Turn the frown upside down

 

[Phys251]

I beg to differ. I live in northern PA. Two years ago we had the polar vortex. Nation wide blizzards. Buffalo NY got buried. I hate when people just say whatever like its fact. Educate yourself.

Yes, and polar vortices are worsened by climate change.

And you received your metrology degree from where?

Meteorologists do not study climate.

 

[SuperDS77]

There is no "stretching." It's a linear chart, not a log chart. Each line is the exact same increment. Yeesh.

The point is that those that use such small, linear, gradations is to show a steeper curve that connotes a more rapid acceleration than reality.

First, the Earth is around 4.54 billion years old. Not 15.

My statement was ~5-15 billion. You say 4.54? As if that estimate could be so precise. Does not change the point being made.

Second, climate scientists are not misrepresenting anything. They explicitly state "recorded history" to distinguish it from proxy measurements.

Yes and that recorded history is 175/4,540,000,000 or 3.854625550660793e-6 %. Proxy measurements have their own uncertainties.

Third, the reality is that temperatures are soaring, and we're already seeing the kinds of effects predicted for years -- e.g. rising sea levels; stronger storms; impacts on crops, and so on.

Simply not true.

 

[SuperDS77]

IMO it's unreasonable to look at extremes of climate over a 15 billion year period and use those extremes to downplay the effects of CO2 and other greenhouse gases that have been accelerated by man's activities over the last 200 years.

Huh? But it IS "reasonable" to use a minute slice of time to justify major societal changes?

 

[Slavister]

You have no idea what the scale of violent storms were 100 years ago and you have zero evidence that any modern storm is human caused. Stop spreading disinformation

... says the person spouting off stuff directly contradicting science ...

 

[Slavister]

And you received your metrology degree from where?

Don't worry. You don't need a degree to read the link I posted.

 

[Slavister]

I love how the axis is always stretched (only .2 deg per gradation) on these charts to make the increase appear greater.

The sky is NOT falling.

I you don't know why every 0.5 a degree matters, you have not been paying attention.

 

[Slavister]

Explain to me how we could know with any real certainty, let alone to the tenth of a degree, what the 'average global temperature' was in 1850? Or 1910? Or 1970 for that matter.

I am not here to explain science to you and all its methods. If you did your homework, you'd know that 1850's estimate has ~0.25 degrees range with 95% certainty. 1910 has about ~0.1 degree range and 1970 is much less.

 

[Fletch]

I am not here to explain science to you and all its methods. If you did your homework, you'd know that 1850's estimate has ~0.25 degrees range with 95% certainty. 1910 has about ~0.1 degree range and 1970 is much less.

Where did you get those numbers? And .25 degrees is pretty significant when we are only talking about a degree or so.

 

[Slavister]

Where did you get those numbers? And .25 degrees is pretty significant when we are only talking about a degree or so.

.25 does not change the main thesis given the that mean in 1850 is far lower than today.

 

[Super Chief]

Sarcasm or ignorance?

Fact.

If climate change means getting colder in those parts of North America and Europe where much of the grains and livestock are produced, then consider the effect of that. What a mini ice age would cause to our economy.

I always laugh how much of current woke energy trend comes out of California, a state with exceptionally mild winters. In many parts of the country winter lasts 5 months. Not everyone lives near Palo Alto or San Diego.

 

[Deuce]

mm hmm...warmest on record --- Since 1850.

smh

Yes that is how the instrumental temperature record works.

 

[Deuce]

Right. Because prior to the industrial revolution there were no heatwaves or floods or mud slides or fires or any of the other natural events youre whining about.

Asteroids have hit the earth in the past, therefore they aren't a problem.