The OSHA vaccine mandate is reality!

[Metric Mouse]

Did you know that "filing a lawsuit" and "winning a lawsuit" do NOT mean the same thing?

The poster claimed that no one had actually filed a lawsuit.... soooo...

 

[jdog]

1. Which religion prohibits the taking of vaccines?
None?
If there is such a religion, name it.

2. You may obtain a religious exemption if it’s legitimate-but there are limits. For example, I could say that under the First Amendment my own religion sanctifies murder, driving drunk, or stealing. There are limits to such exemptions and as I posted elsewhere the SCOTUS allowed to stand a Maine law that required vaccination and allowed ONLY medical but not religious exemptions. The vote was 6-3. There is no basis for refusing vaccination based on religious beliefs and the SCOTUS has so ruled.

3. The jurisdiction of OSHA was left intentionally vague because the legislators who wrote it understood that all workplace hazards could not be anticipated. There is no language in the law that excludes protection from disease.

I won’t bother with the rest of your post because the jibberish about Biden and profits is irrelevant nonsense.

No rights have been violated. You have no right to keep your job if you disobey legal changes to company policies. You are free to explore other employment opportunities or apply for an exemption.
Your lack of understanding of constitutional law is on full display. Even the courts have TWICE disagreed with you.
Want to try again?

Your misrepresentation of the truth does not hold up under critical examination.

1. Most all organized religions hold that the body is a temple, and not to be desecrated. The injection of GMO's (it is not a vaccine, it is a genetically modified organism) into the body is considered by billions of people to be a desecration of their body.

2. The SCOTUS has not ruled on the constitutionality of refusing the vaccines, or how they affect the right to religion and free speech. That is a blatant lie, if there has been a ruling site it. Of course you can't because it does not exist.

3. This argument is another blatant lie based on a logical fallacy. All governmental power is dictated by the Constitution which is written under contractual law. Anyone who has taken even elementary law classes knows that contractual law is dictated by the contract itself. For the government to have a power, that power must be specifically written in the contract or it does not exist. That is such an important premise, it is repeated twice in the 9th and 10th amendments to make sure there is no misunderstanding that all powers not given to the Federal Government SPECIFICALLY are retained by the PEOPLE and the STATES. There is no law that states the government has jurisdiction over anything that the CONSTITUTION does not give it SPECIFIC jurisdiction over. What is being attempted by the Biden administration is tyranny, and will not stand. The tyrants will be defeated.

 

[Ethel2]

Your misrepresentation of the truth does not hold up under critical examination.

1. Most all organized religions hold that the body is a temple, and not to be desecrated. The injection of GMO's (it is not a vaccine, it is a genetically modified organism) into the body is considered by billions of people to be a desecration of their body.

2. The SCOTUS has not ruled on the constitutionality of refusing the vaccines, or how they affect the right to religion and free speech. That is a blatant lie, if there has been a ruling site it. Of course you can't because it does not exist.

3. This argument is another blatant lie based on a logical fallacy. All governmental power is dictated by the Constitution which is written under contractual law. Anyone who has taken even elementary law classes knows that contractual law is dictated by the contract itself. For the government to have a power, that power must be specifically written in the contract or it does not exist. That is such an important premise, it is repeated twice in the 9th and 10th amendments to make sure there is no misunderstanding that all powers not given to the Federal Government SPECIFICALLY are retained by the PEOPLE and the STATES. There is no law that states the government has jurisdiction over anything that the CONSTITUTION does not give it SPECIFIC jurisdiction over. What is being attempted by the Biden administration is tyranny, and will not stand. The tyrants will be defeated.

Here for your ongoing education is the definition of “vaccine”. The mRNA vaccines meet every criteria. Regardless, I don’t care what you call it. They are safe and very effective:

vac·cine
/vakˈsēn/
Learn to pronounce

noun

1. a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease

When the SCOTUS let stand a vaccine mandate where the employee had no option of applying for a religious exemption they were in effect saying that it’s fine for businesses to do so. To believe otherwise is foolish.

Which religion did you say forbids taking vaccines again?
I must have missed it.

Deal with reality. It’s much healthier than living in a fantasy world. The reality right now is that the OSHA mandate exists and will take full effect on January 4. On that date all businesses with 100 or more employees must require those employees to provide proof of vaccination or submit to weekly testing, probably at their own expense, in addition to other cumbersome requirements-or work somewhere else.
Remember: they will always have a choice!

 

[jdog]

Here for your ongoing education is the definition of “vaccine”. The mRNA vaccines meet every criteria. Regardless, I don’t care what you call it. They are safe and very effective:

“





vac·cine
/vakˈsēn/
Learn to pronounce

noun

1. a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
   "every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

The GMO's are neither safe or effective. They have killed thousands, maimed countless others, and are not only ineffective, they suppress the natural immune system, and will require booster shots for the rest of your lives. Basically, if you have taken the jab, you are screwed.

 

[Ethel2]

The GMO's are neither safe or effective. They have killed thousands, maimed countless others, and are not only ineffective, they suppress the natural immune system, and will require booster shots for the rest of your lives. Basically, if you have taken the jab, you are screwed.

Basically this conversation is over.
I won’t give a platform for your fantasy thinking any more.
Just some parting advice: deal with reality. It’s a much more adaptive way to live.
Off to administer the “death vaccine” to children age 5-11 this morning.
Have a nice day.

 

[HangLow]

Of course you are still waiting because it's such a stupid question that, even you (the broken record questioner), can't and won't answer. Nor could Biden, Fauci, or any doc. This virus has presented variants, surprises, spikes, and more....time and time again. None of us know what is next - and that uncertainty won't be solved by a vaccine mandate.
And, so many of those you ask (e.g., like you just asked me) aren't "against vaccinations". I'm vaccinated as are many of those you ask. In fact, I had the strongest vaccine (Moderna) which has now been proven to be more effective and last longer. If you didn't get Moderna, freedom loving me is potentially more protected than you are That must irk you.
But, many of us are against authoritative mandates.
So keep asking and every time I see you ask (again and again and again), I'll ask you to answer how many deaths are "acceptable to you" with a mandate. I hope you come up with a good number that won't make you "look bad in 6 months".

Cultist Gotta Cult
-Peace

 

[jotathought]

The difference is this: no one ever caught “abortion” from someone else. No one ever caught obesity, heart disease, or diabetes from someone else. With those conditions you only harm yourself.
If you don’t get vaccinated you present a greater risk to OTHERS.
I draw the line right there.

Even getting vaccinated still presents yourself a risk to others, as vaccinated individuals are just as likely to carry the virus. The vaccine minimizes some of the negative effects for yourself .. not for others, and just like the health conditions you listed, it's up to THAT person to decide how to manage it .. and not someone else like government.

 

[jotathought]

I elected Biden because I was sick of the hate, and fear politics and I think he is going to help people. Even if they don't like him. That's what a real president does. You just aren't used to it.

you are correct .. I'm not used to a real president. When should we expect one?

 

[jotathought]

It’s unrealistic to think companies can get their policies written quickly over the holiday season

No it's not .. If it's being mandated by their government, they must comply .. It's not an organization thing ... private business are quick to respond to compliance and regulatory mandates; however, it's more the incompetent administration announcing an action plan 6 months ahead of time to gain political chips and then having to react and figure out how to implement it. It's stupid .. doesn't make sense .. especially when unions and organizations with less than 100 workers are exempt ... we all know a company with 99 employees is more safe than a company with 100 Or just join the USPO.

 

[Ethel2]

Even getting vaccinated still presents yourself a risk to others, as vaccinated individuals are just as likely to carry the virus. The vaccine minimizes some of the negative effects for yourself .. not for others, and just like the health conditions you listed, it's up to THAT person to decide how to manage it .. and not someone else like government.

You don’t understand how well the vaccines protect others. I have posted that here several times already.
In order for a vaccinated person to transmit the virus to other people he must first get infected. Vaccinated people are at least 5x LESS LIKELY to get infected as a covidiot. Once infected the vaccinated person is contagious for a shorter period of time than an infected covidiot. Finally, evidence is inconclusive that infected vaccinated people carry as much virus as an infected covidiot.
Therefore, vaccinated people are less of a danger to others. Hence the need to minimize danger in the workplace, a job that falls to OSHA to regulate.
Simple

 

[MAGAnificent]

The mandate is legal until it is ruled illegal in court.
For now it’s reality. Deal with it.

If that were the case, Biden could tomorrow declare a mandate that we all torture kittens and it would by your logic be legal until ruled illegal in the courts.

 

[MAGAnificent]

There is no "legal precedent for a federal vaccine mandate" because it has never been litigated.

When considering issues that have never been litigated, the courts look at similar issues that have been litigated.

This is a "similar issue" and it is a "police power" issue if the courts (not you) say it is.

No offense, however you are making it up as you go along. There is no precedent for a national mandate, because only one oval office turd has been stupid enough to attempt to push one. And vaccines are not a police power issue.

 

[HangLow]

I don't know.

How long do you predict a case will take to make it to the supreme court?

 

[Slartibartfast]

No it's not .. If it's being mandated by their government, they must comply .. It's not an organization thing ... private business are quick to respond to compliance and regulatory mandates; however, it's more the incompetent administration announcing an action plan 6 months ahead of time to gain political chips and then having to react and figure out how to implement it. It's stupid .. doesn't make sense .. especially when unions and organizations with less than 100 workers are exempt ... we all know a company with 99 employees is more safe than a company with 100 Or just join the USPO.

I disagree. You need time for the lawyers and HR to review. Then the communications team needs to craft the message and education. Then people need time to get vaccinated. On top of that a lot of people take vacation at this time of year.

 

[MAGAnificent]

'd love the crystal ball you've gotten your hands on, can you tell me where you got it?

This gentleman was right in the lead up to the pandemic and has been since.

MSN

Half your party believes in FB conspiracies, and the latest is telling them the sky is falling due to mandates, and Biden is a dictator. Might want to keep up since you're on here representing.

You are making it up as you go along. it's the left that is addicted to Facebook and Twitter. Actually Biden is not a dictator. He is just a place holder whose only goal is to get through each day without soiling himself in public. It's his handlers that are coming up with all of the authoritarian schemes.

 

[jaypatriot]

Here for your ongoing education is the definition of “vaccine”. The mRNA vaccines meet every criteria. Regardless, I don’t care what you call it. They are safe and very effective:

vac·cine
/vakˈsēn/
Learn to pronounce

noun

1. a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease

When the SCOTUS let stand a vaccine mandate where the employee had no option of applying for a religious exemption they were in effect saying that it’s fine for businesses to do so. To believe otherwise is foolish.

Which religion did you say forbids taking vaccines again?
I must have missed it.

Deal with reality. It’s much healthier than living in a fantasy world. The reality right now is that the OSHA mandate exists and will take full effect on January 4. On that date all businesses with 100 or more employees must require those employees to provide proof of vaccination or submit to weekly testing, probably at their own expense, in addition to other cumbersome requirements-or work somewhere else.
Remember: they will always have a choice!

Ethel,
It would be entertaining to see you and jdog engaged in a debate on a stage - complete with an audience and a moderator.

My position, as an ordinary, interested citizen, is this:
The fear of a federal mandate and a financial threat from OSHA will make a lot of people go and get a vaccine because they don't to be in trouble with their employer or face social opprobrium for avoiding the vaccine.
On the other hand, I don't like the idea of the federal government telling every state in the union what it has to do to make employers follow the federal mandate.
That smacks of tyranny by the government.

On this issue, I am ambivalent because I do not know which is better:
Forcing more people (through OSHA) to get vaccinated and stop the spread of the virus
OR
preventing the federal government from overreaching its authority.

 

[jotathought]

I disagree. You need time for the lawyers and HR to review. Then the communications team needs to craft the message and education. Then people need time to get vaccinated. On top of that a lot of people take vacation at this time of year.

Okay .. I'll humor you. Biden made the announcement earlier this year on company mandates ... earlier this year .. like months ago. You're suggesting the wait is because of business adopting this .. yet .. it's only been recently that Biden set a firm date. The very large organization I am employed, already had this up and running within a couple weeks .. You feel organizations aren't capable of aligning this in 3? 5? 6 months? How many organizations will drop employees to fall below the 100 mark? Why are unions, like the USPO exempt?

 

[Ethel2]

If that were the case, Biden could tomorrow declare a mandate that we all torture kittens and it would by your logic be legal until ruled illegal in the courts.

Sure

 

[Ginger Ale]

And yet don't recognize that this is exactly what your preferred party is pandering.

There's a Biden policy or action that's actually helped people? Do please enlighten me. I've been watching closely, and I haven't found one yet.

Fall asleep at international conferences?
Not take questions from the press?
Mumble and bumble through interviews to only be rescued by prepared responses to prepared to questions?

I hope never to get 'used to it'.

And yet don't recognize that this is exactly what your preferred party is pandering.
What hate do you have to offer coming out of Biden's mouth? Please, show me a hateful speech that man has given.
There's a Biden policy or action that's actually helped people? Do please enlighten me. I've been watching closely, and I haven't found one yet.
Please show me a policy in that bill that wouldn't be helping someone.

Fall asleep at international conferences?
Not take questions from the press?
Mumble and bumble through interviews to only be rescued by prepared responses to prepared to questions?

I hope never to get 'used to it'.

Those are all your built up hateful cut downs from years of Trump. The campaign is over. Biden is not still running, he's actually the president now and acts like one.

You got used to Trump's never ending campaigning, he never became the president of the United States, he remained, and still is, the rights candidate fighting for a spot. Cutting down the opposition, which just happened to be half of America after he won the seat, and that's why he sucked! He hated liberals all the way through, and you wonder why they didn't like him back. lol

You're used to it, but you need to get over it. He's gone.

 

[Ginger Ale]

you are correct .. I'm not used to a real president. When should we expect one?

I see you've forgotten what one looks like. Maybe take time away from Trump.com so you can remember.

He's sitting in the White House right now actually trying to pass policies that will help Americans who actually need the help. Fix a climate that needs fixing, and working with representatives so that this bill fits all their states needs. I know it looks foreign compared to what we've just come from, but you'll get back to normal soon. Just takes a bit of time.

 

[joko104]

"We're from the government and we're here to help you by fines and shutting your business down."

 

[Callen]

We're from the government and we're here to help you by fines and shutting your business down

No, more like....we're from the government and we're here to help you by giving you cover to do what you want to do and I'll take the heat for you.

 

[jotathought]

I see you've forgotten what one looks like. Maybe take time away from Trump.com so you can remember.

He's sitting in the White House right now actually trying to pass policies that will help Americans who actually need the help. Fix a climate that needs fixing, and working with representatives so that this bill fits all their states needs. I know it looks foreign compared to what we've just come from, but you'll get back to normal soon. Just takes a bit of time.

You're assuming I see Trump as a real president .. outside of having the balls to be different and rattle cages .. which Biden doesn't represent .. he was just another president. On the flip side, Biden is "such a great president" that he has to have responses scripted, journalist pre-selected, events staged and all the other elements we'd expect from Hollywood in order to "look presidential..." and then he falls asleep.

 

[Ginger Ale]

This gentleman was right in the lead up to the pandemic and has been since.

MSN

You are making it up as you go along. it's the left that is addicted to Facebook and Twitter. Actually Biden is not a dictator. He is just a place holder whose only goal is to get through each day without soiling himself in public. It's his handlers that are coming up with all of the authoritarian schemes.

Well, I am excited that Pfizer has come up with a pill, and I hope his predictions are correct but it's not approved here yet, and I do hope that Trumpers are on board with this new therapy. It's not like we didn't have a vaccine from the same company that could have saved those thousands of vaccine hesitant's who died the last 6 months.
The problem was their refusal of what they thought was a human experiment by the government working with a drug company, they didn't trust it. I don't think they were just afraid of needles. So, what hope do you have that they'll take it?
Does it depend on the next FB Pfizer pill conspiracy story? Or do you think they'll be desperate enough once in the hospital to pop down any old thing?

Have you read some of this b.s?


Why on earth do you guys think the cut down about Biden pooing his pants is a home run? It's not, it's really stupid and I assure you Trump does as well at this age, yet you aren't the first to spout it out. It must be the current trend on FB or TikTok.

 

[NatMorton]

It’s only contentious if you are an unvaccinated covidiot.

It's contentious if you care about the rule of law.