The OSHA vaccine mandate is reality!

[TU Curmudgeon]

How about .. I accept those with pre-existing conditions who are already deemed at a high-risk of death ... and they get COVID .. and it accelerates that death (like most cases except gun shot victims).

That sounds much better.

Indeed, it sounds much better, but it means exactly the same thing.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

How many people have polio today in the United States? Will you plan to go into the iron lung department to accommodate them?

The mandatory vaccination rate for polio in the US closely approximates 100%.

 

[Ethel2]

How many people will lose their jobs if they don't get vaccinated? It's a thing where I work, and those who don't seek exemptions are subject to dismissal .. aka .. forced.

Simple solution: get vaccinated. Or submit to weekly testing potentially at your own expense as well as other restrictions (as long as you aren’t in the healthcare industry where that’s not an option). Or find a new job.
You are aware that the court in Houston ruled in the case of hospital workers that their suit had no merit because they had a choice.

 

[gbg3]

That is total BS which you could never support in a million years. The only control I want is called control over this damn virus. The rest of you could go to hell in a handbasket for all I care.

Testy today aren't we

 

[Ethel2]

I have nothing against vaccine mandates, but I don't like politically selective vaccine mandates.

I assume that this mandate doesn't apply as a condition to getting government checks.

Does it apply to teachers?

Apparently it will include teachers:

“
OSHA State Plans
Section 18 of the OSH Act (29 U.S.C. §667) authorizes statestoestablishtheirownstateplansandpreemptfederal OSHA standards and enforcement. OSHA must approve state plans if they are “at least as effective” as OSHA’s standards and enforcement. In addition, state plans must providecoverageforstateandlocalgovernmententitiesas employers.Thus,stateandlocalgovernmententitiesin stateswithstateplans,includingLEAs,wouldberequired”

 

[eohrnberger]

The “turd” sitting in the Oval Office is your President and while imperfect he is far better than the lying jackass we had as an excuse for a President before him.
OSHA is charged by law to address workplace safety and only an idiot would think that any workplace is safer with a bunch of covidiots running around than normal vaccinated people.

This attitude sure lacking with the last administration.

 

[Noodlegawd]

I don’t know if it applies to teachers but I know many states have that requirement for teachers.
This isn’t politically based. It’s the fastest way to control the pandemic.
It’s public health based.

The fastest way to control the pandemic is to ensure that EVERYONE gets vaccinated. So why not mandate it for people receiving federal benefits?

 

[eohrnberger]

Yawn.........

I don't do Facebook, Twitter, or any of their offspring. And I am likely more vaccinated then you are. Most adults are vaccinated and we do not need 100% vaccination to reach herd immunity. Once the delta surge winds down, the pandemic will pretty much be over An unconstitutional mandate will not be needed. Relax. The sky is not falling.

Indeed.

The pandemic phase of COVID is over, if not this instant, very soon.

Experts are considering it to moving from the pandemic phase to the endemic phase.

You’ve probably heard it by now: Covid-19 is not going away. The broad consensus among experts is that it’s not realistic to think we’re going to totally eradicate this virus. We will, however, see it move out of the pandemic phase and into the endemic phase.​

​

That means the virus will keep circulating in parts of the global population for years, but its prevalence and impact will come down to relatively manageable levels, so it becomes more like the flu than a world-stopping disease.​

How you’ll know when Covid-19 has gone from “pandemic” to “endemic”

It’s more subjective than you might think.

www.vox.com

Also:

Q: Many experts have said they expect COVID-19 to become an endemic disease. How does a disease go from being acute to endemic? What factors shape the transition to endemicity? What’s a likely timeline for COVID-19 to become endemic?​

​

A: The expectation that COVID-19 will become endemic essentially means that the pandemic will not end with the virus disappearing; instead, the optimistic view is that enough people will gain immune protection from vaccination and from natural infection such that there will be less transmission and much less COVID-19-related hospitalization and death, even as the virus continues to circulate.​

What will it be like when COVID-19 becomes endemic? | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

In a Q&A, Yonatan Grad, Melvin J. and Geraldine L. Glimcher Associate Professor of Immunology and Infectious Diseases, discusses what endemic COVID-19 will look like.

www.hsph.harvard.edu

Opinion | Accept It: COVID Will Be an Endemic Virus

Everyone will meet with the virus eventually, but doing so safely (while vaccinated) is key

www.medpagetoday.com

Opinion | Covid Will Soon Be Endemic, Thank Goodness

Widespread immunity, vaccinated and natural, will bring control and a full return to normal.

www.wsj.com

Add to this, that every Saturday and Sunday, and a number of evenings during the week, large number of people are gathering in sports venues, without a super spreader COVID surge following.

Add to this that majority of people are back to their normal routines, wearing masks only when specifically required.

The pandemic is over, or very soon will be. The government's expanded powers, justified by the pandemic, will need to be rescinded.

 

[Ethel2]

The fastest way to control the pandemic is to ensure that EVERYONE gets vaccinated. So why not mandate it for people receiving federal benefits?

Hey-I agree with you. Give people a choice: either get vaccinated or lose your monthly check-unless you have a medical exemption.

 

[Slartibartfast]

You are going to have to do better then just googling links.

Nope. Not in this case due to the relevance of the information

 

[eohrnberger]

Hey-I agree with you. Give people a choice: either get vaccinated or lose your monthly check-unless you have a medical exemption.

Such a fan of applying coercion onto others, you are.

 

[Slartibartfast]

You mean the mandates that have been delayed until 2022? What about those helpless victims in the last 2 months of 2021? Biden or other leaders don't give a shit about our health and well being -- it's a political "feel good" chip that they are looking to check that box -- I Did Something. You're silly if you feel Biden cares about your well-being.

It’s unrealistic to think companies can get their policies written quickly over the holiday season

 

[gbg3]

Are you a broken record? I've already responded to this.

How far of an overreach will you accept from government to tell you what you can and can not do .. or what you must do?

No kidding about that broken record. Every freaking day.
It's not like a vaccine mandate will stop this virus. The vaccines (the current ones) just didn't live up to what the world hoped they would. Vaccinated people are getting and spreading the virus and variants are forming as the virus looks to work its way around the vaccines, just as viruses do. Some countries in Europe are in Covid hell right now with case numbers and plenty of these countries have had vaccines for as long as we have.
The how many "dead Americans are acceptable to you" question is just a stupid question because, like it or not, this world doesn't have a cure for Covid and a vaccine mandate isn't a cure. It's just an authority/control grab for the sake of authority/control. Also, since it's expected Covid may reduce to an endemic, it's a Biden type (stupid) tactic to then try to use a natural virus decline to try to link that to a mandate. So, it doesn't make sense to ask anyone what is acceptable to them. No countries have any way to meet any "acceptability death number" criteria. The virus has control of that narrative.
This is not a virus of the unvaccinated or the vaccinated. It spreads among all of us. And it further mutates as it works its way through the vaccinated group.

 

[jdog]

Exactly which constitutional right of yours has been violated?
Answer the question-if you can.

None of my rights have been violated because I have not been fired from my job. Anyone who has been fired from their job for not being vaccinated has been denied their rights according to the 1st, 9th, and 10th amendments.

 

[gbg3]

did you give a number?

You give a number since you so regularly repeat the question. How many deaths are acceptable to you (give a specific number please) and will the Biden mandate absolutely achieve your specific number - which I await? Come on, you keep asking, so what's your number? Will starting the mandate in January lead to your estimate or will that 2 month "holiday" delay be problematic to your goal and estimate?

 

[CaughtInThe]

You give a number since you so regularly repeat the question. How many deaths are acceptable to you (give a specific number please) and will the Biden mandate absolutely achieve your specific number - which I await? Come on, you keep asking, so what's your number? Will starting the mandate in January lead to your estimate or will that 2 month "holiday" delay be problematic to your goal and estimate?

I'm still waiting for one person that I've asked, who are against vaccinations and/or safety, to give a number. Will you give one?

Note: I've been asking people for a number for so long that I do realize their number has probably increased and increased and increased over time. Try to give one that will not make you look bad in 6 months.

 

[gbg3]

I'm still waiting for one person that I've asked, who are against vaccinations and/or safety, to give a number. Will you give one?

Note: I've been asking people for a number for so long that I do realize their number has probably increased and increased and increased over time. Try to give one that will not make you look bad in 6 months.

Of course you are still waiting because it's such a stupid question that, even you (the broken record questioner), can't and won't answer. Nor could Biden, Fauci, or any doc. This virus has presented variants, surprises, spikes, and more....time and time again. None of us know what is next - and that uncertainty won't be solved by a vaccine mandate.
And, so many of those you ask (e.g., like you just asked me) aren't "against vaccinations". I'm vaccinated as are many of those you ask. In fact, I had the strongest vaccine (Moderna) which has now been proven to be more effective and last longer. If you didn't get Moderna, freedom loving me is potentially more protected than you are That must irk you.
But, many of us are against authoritative mandates.
So keep asking and every time I see you ask (again and again and again), I'll ask you to answer how many deaths are "acceptable to you" with a mandate. I hope you come up with a good number that won't make you "look bad in 6 months".

 

[Ethel2]

None of my rights have been violated because I have not been fired from my job. Anyone who has been fired from their job for not being vaccinated has been denied their rights according to the 1st, 9th, and 10th amendments.

Wrong
Your right to free speech hasn’t been infringed upon, nor has your right to appeal not to get vaccinated for legitimate religious reasons (of which there are none).
The 9th amendment doesn’t give you the constitutional right to keep your job if company rules change (not following company rules is called “insubordination” and is grounds for dismissal). For your education this is what the 9th amendment protections (note the absence of any mention of keeping your job):

“Because the rights protected by the Ninth Amendment are not specified, they are referred to as “unenumerated.” The Supreme Court has found that unenumerated rights include such important rights as the right to travel, the right to vote, the right to keep personal matters private and to make important decisions about ...”

And states rights have no more been violated via the 10th amendment any more than they have historically been violated by any OSHA rule. Remember: OSHA is charged BY THE OSHA ACT, a law that was passed by Congress and signed by the President, to oversee workplace safety and it supersedes conflicting state or local laws. The states, through Congress, gave this responsibility to the federal government.
You have no guaranteed right to maintain your job if the rules at your company change. Sometimes companies themselves change the rules; sometimes they are required to do so to keep in compliance with local, state, and federal laws.
Want to try again?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Of course you are still waiting because it's such a stupid question that, even you (the broken record questioner), can't and won't answer.

it's not a stupid question at all. it's simply a question that people like yourself (against vaccines/against safety/etc) refuse to answer because they know it would make them look uncaring.

and, btw, thanks for not answering yet again.

 

[gbg3]

Takes effect on Jan 4 and preempts any state and local rules:

Vaccine rule for larger employers, federal contractors and certain health care workers to take effect January 4

The Biden administration announced Thursday that its vaccine rules applying to private businesses with 100 or more employees, certain health care workers and federal contractors will take effect January 4.

www.cnn.com

Here is a GOP response to the OSHA bill. From CNN.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Ethel2]

Here is a GOP response to the OSHA bill. From CNN.

MSN

www.msn.com

There is no doubt this will get settled in court. Failure to uphold the mandate will only prolong the pandemic and cause more needless deaths.
I am confident it will be upheld.

 

[jdog]

Wrong
Your right to free speech hasn’t been infringed upon
The 9th amendment doesn’t give you the constitutional right to keep your job if company rules change (not following company rules is called “insubordination” and is grounds for dismissal.
And states rights have no more been violated via the 10th amendment any more than they have historically been violated by any OSHA rule. Remember: OSHA is charged BY THE OSHA ACT, a law that was passed by Congress and signed by the President, to oversee workplace safety and it supersedes conflicting state or local laws. The states, through Congress, gave this responsibility to the federal government.
You have no guaranteed right to maintain your job if the rules at your company change. Sometimes companies themselves change the rules; sometimes they are required to do so to keep in compliance with local, state, and federal laws.
Want to try again?

Your ignorance of the law is monumental. First the right to free speech states the Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech.
If you for any reason feel the fake vaccines, are against your religious beliefs, or that they harm you in any way, you are under your rights to refuse the vaccine without any legal repercussion. Anything done to you, in the way of a reprisal for your decision is a violation of your Constitutional rights, and therefore a violation of your Civil Rights and a actionable tort. It is exactly the same as firing you for being Catholic or Jewish.
No company rule, or code, or even Congressionally passed law can deprive you of your Constitutional rights. OSHA has no jurisdiction whatsoever in the area of communicable diseases, they are tasked with workplace safety practice, and have no authority to enforce any rules (not law) concerning vaccines or any other health related issue.
Joe Biden is pulling a big scam, and one even he has freely admitted is unconstitutional and will not stand up to SCOTUS review. His plan is to bluff as many people as he can into the death shots before his actions are actually put to the judicial test, at which point he knows they will be ruled unconstitutional.
In the mean time, the drug companies will make hundreds of billions of dollars and pay of dirty Joe and most State governors so they all will be filthy rich for the rest of their lives, and millions of people world wide will die from their immune systems being irreversibly damaged from the experiment.
The smart will live, and the stupid will die. It is simply Darwinism playing out in real life.

 

[Ethel2]

Your ignorance of the law is monumental. First the right to free speech states the Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech.
If you for any reason feel the fake vaccines, are against your religious beliefs, or that they harm you in any way, you are under your rights to refuse the vaccine without any legal repercussion. Anything done to you, in the way of a reprisal for your decision is a violation of your Constitutional rights, and therefore a violation of your Civil Rights and a actionable tort. It is exactly the same as firing you for being Catholic or Jewish.
No company rule, or code, or even Congressionally passed law can deprive you of your Constitutional rights. OSHA has no jurisdiction whatsoever in the area of communicable diseases, they are tasked with workplace safety practice, and have no authority to enforce any rules (not law) concerning vaccines or any other health related issue.
Joe Biden is pulling a big scam, and one even he has freely admitted is unconstitutional and will not stand up to SCOTUS review. His plan is to bluff as many people as he can into the death shots before his actions are actually put to the judicial test, at which point he knows they will be ruled unconstitutional.
In the mean time, the drug companies will make hundreds of billions of dollars and pay of dirty Joe and most State governors so they all will be filthy rich for the rest of their lives, and millions of people world wide will die from their immune systems being irreversibly damaged from the experiment.
The smart will live, and the stupid will die. It is simply Darwinism playing out in real life.

1. Which religion prohibits the taking of vaccines?
None?
If there is such a religion, name it.

2. You may obtain a religious exemption if it’s legitimate-but there are limits. For example, I could say that under the First Amendment my own religion sanctifies murder, driving drunk, or stealing. There are limits to such exemptions and as I posted elsewhere the SCOTUS allowed to stand a Maine law that required vaccination and allowed ONLY medical but not religious exemptions. The vote was 6-3. There is no basis for refusing vaccination based on religious beliefs and the SCOTUS has so ruled.

3. The jurisdiction of OSHA was left intentionally vague because the legislators who wrote it understood that all workplace hazards could not be anticipated. There is no language in the law that excludes protection from disease.

I won’t bother with the rest of your post because the jibberish about Biden and profits is irrelevant nonsense.

No rights have been violated. You have no right to keep your job if you disobey legal changes to company policies. You are free to explore other employment opportunities or apply for an exemption.
Your lack of understanding of constitutional law is on full display. Even the courts have TWICE disagreed with you.
Want to try again?

 

[Ginger Ale]

You mean the mandates that have been delayed until 2022? What about those helpless victims in the last 2 months of 2021? Biden or other leaders don't give a shit about our health and well being -- it's a political "feel good" chip that they are looking to check that box -- I Did Something. You're silly if you feel Biden cares about your well-being.

I elected Biden because I was sick of the hate, and fear politics and I think he is going to help people. Even if they don't like him. That's what a real president does. You just aren't used to it.

 

[eohrnberger]

I elected Biden because I was sick of the hate, and fear politics

And yet don't recognize that this is exactly what your preferred party is pandering.

and I think he is going to help people. Even if they don't like him.

There's a Biden policy or action that's actually helped people? Do please enlighten me. I've been watching closely, and I haven't found one yet.

That's what a real president does.

Fall asleep at international conferences?
Not take questions from the press?
Mumble and bumble through interviews to only be rescued by prepared responses to prepared to questions?

You just aren't used to it.

I hope never to get 'used to it'.