The OSHA vaccine mandate is reality!

[TU Curmudgeon]

That is an attempted dodge on your part. You provided a link to a SCOTUS decision in regards to a state mandate. There is no precedent for federal vaccine mandates. It's a states issue. And it's not a police power issue.

There is no "legal precedent for a federal vaccine mandate" because it has never been litigated.

When considering issues that have never been litigated, the courts look at similar issues that have been litigated.

This is a "similar issue" and it is a "police power" issue if the courts (not you) say it is.

 

[Ginger Ale]

COVID is an accelerator .. typically augmenting the effects of pre-existing conditions ... (shocker .. the people with comorbidities were already at high risk of death) and I accept that COVID is what took these comorbidities over the top. I don't agree that gunshot victims died of COVID .. but whatever ... Where is the shock and awe of the nearly 400K deaths under a Biden administration, even after a majority of Americans have received the 1st dose?

That's exactly why we got mandates. You can't fix stupid. The Trumpers mini men like DeSantan don't follow guidelines, and that's why their citizens died in mass. Bidens taking care of that right now, with mandates.

 

[jotathought]

how many dead Americans (from COVID) is acceptable to you?

I accept the collateral damage of a virus that targets those with pre-existing conditions who would have most likely passed on regardless. Care to continue an politicize the obvious?

 

[jotathought]

That's exactly why we got mandates. You can't fix stupid. The Trumpers mini men like DeSantan don't follow guidelines, and that's why their citizens died in mass. Bidens taking care of that right now, with mandates.

You mean the mandates that have been delayed until 2022? What about those helpless victims in the last 2 months of 2021? Biden or other leaders don't give a shit about our health and well being -- it's a political "feel good" chip that they are looking to check that box -- I Did Something. You're silly if you feel Biden cares about your well-being.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I accept the collateral damage of a virus that targets those with pre-existing conditions who would have most likely passed on regardless. Care to continue an politicize the obvious?

how many American deaths (from COVID) and broken families is an acceptable number to you? one million?

 

[jotathought]

how many American deaths (from COVID) and broken families is an acceptable number to you? one million?

Are you a broken record? I've already responded to this.

How far of an overreach will you accept from government to tell you what you can and can not do .. or what you must do?

 

[Ethel2]

I don't agree with government FORCING Americans to take it .. yes .. that's correct. I'm not a sheeple like some on here.

Number of people FORCED to take the vaccine: ZERO

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Under the Biden administration? Roughly 400K .. the same number under the Trump administration.

The number of human beings who have died from COVID-19 is 5,048,511.

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Roughly 84.70% of those did NOT "die under the Biden administration" and (roughly) 92.57% of them did NOT "die under the Trump administration" either.

You do know that other countries than the US are "having COVID-19 issues", don't you?

Or do you think that 100% of the governments of the other 218 countries are all lying about COVID-19 in support of the left-wing, liberal, pinko, socialist, commie plot to subvert the US government?

 

[Ethel2]

Are you a broken record? I've already responded to this.

How far of an overreach will you accept from government to tell you what you can and can not do .. or what you must do?

Here’s a little bit of news for you: the government tells you what to do every day. Same for everyone. You just don’t like them regulating behavior related to Covid.
Too bad

 

[Noodlegawd]

Takes effect on Jan 4 and preempts any state and local rules:

Vaccine rule for larger employers, federal contractors and certain health care workers to take effect January 4

The Biden administration announced Thursday that its vaccine rules applying to private businesses with 100 or more employees, certain health care workers and federal contractors will take effect January 4.

www.cnn.com

I have nothing against vaccine mandates, but I don't like politically selective vaccine mandates.

I assume that this mandate doesn't apply as a condition to getting government checks.

Does it apply to teachers?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Are you a broken record? I've already responded to this.

How far of an overreach will you accept from government to tell you what you can and can not do .. or what you must do?

did you give a number?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Are you a broken record? I've already responded to this.

How far of an overreach will you accept from government to tell you what you can and can not do .. or what you must do?

"Are you a broken record? I've already responded to this."

Yes you have, and your "response" can be summed up as

"I don't give a damn, as long as I am not inconvenienced in the smallest amount."​

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I want to know what the gov is going to do if 42 million people tell the gov to go to hell with this mandate?

42 million is the approx amount of diehards saying they won't go to work if the gov mandates vaccines.

Tell them that being vaccinated is a mandatory requirement to receive any federal benefits (or tax refunds)?

 

[jotathought]

Number of people FORCED to take the vaccine: ZERO

How many people will lose their jobs if they don't get vaccinated? It's a thing where I work, and those who don't seek exemptions are subject to dismissal .. aka .. forced.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The mandate is neither real, nor legally binding. It is not within the power of the President to suspend the Constitutional rights of the people, as the rights of the people are inalienable, and not granted by government. It is not the purview of the office of the President to write law. The Congress is the only branch of government who can write law.
Anyone fired for not being vaccinated has legal recourse to sue both their employer and the Federal Government for Civil Rights violations, and will be ultimately successful and receive huge compensation. To force or to coerce people to submit to any medical procedure under duress is a violation of the Geneva Convention and a crime against humanity.
Anyone facing this situation needs to contact one of the many organizations or attorneys who are filing law suits on behalf of the victims of this illegal conspiracy to force people to injected without their consent.

An interesting post from someone who doesn't realize that a "regulation" established in accord with a power to make regulations that is part of a law means that those regulations do NOT have to be "approved by Congress" before they can take effect.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

12 states sue Biden administration over COVID-19 vaccine rule

The states argue that the vaccine mandate violates federal procurement law and is an overreach of federal power.

www.kmbc.com

12 states have filed.

Did you know that "filing a lawsuit" and "winning a lawsuit" do NOT mean the same thing?

 

[jotathought]

Here’s a little bit of news for you: the government tells you what to do every day. Same for everyone. You just don’t like them regulating behavior related to Covid.
Too bad

It's like abortion .. it should be my decision on how I maintain my body, instead of government mandating what I must do. If I want to take the risk, that should be my decision .. and not Joe Biden.

 

[jotathought]

did you give a number?

Why is that pertinent to you? Do you not understand what a generalized response means? Are you going to confirm you agree to be a government puppet and do what youre told?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Why is that pertinent to you? Do you not understand what a generalized response means? Are you going to confirm you agree to be a government puppet and do what youre told?

so you can't even come up with a number of dead Americans that is acceptable to you??

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yes .. those vaccines actually prevent illness .. unlike the COVID vaccine where recipients can continue to be active carriers of the virus.

Those vaccines do NOT prevent 100% of the illnesses they are targeted at and people who are not clinically affected by an illness are still capable of spreading it.

Your basic theses that "A vaccine totally prevents any possibility of contracting an illness." and "A vaccine totally prevents a person from being a disease carrier for the disease that the vaccine is targeted at." are both total rubbish.

 

[Ethel2]

I have nothing against vaccine mandates, but I don't like politically selective vaccine mandates.

I assume that this mandate doesn't apply as a condition to getting government checks.

Does it apply to teachers?

I don’t know if it applies to teachers but I know many states have that requirement for teachers.
This isn’t politically based. It’s the fastest way to control the pandemic.
It’s public health based.

 

[jotathought]

"Are you a broken record? I've already responded to this."

Yes you have, and your "response" can be summed up as

"I don't give a damn, as long as I am not inconvenienced in the smallest amount."​

How about .. I accept those with pre-existing conditions who are already deemed at a high-risk of death ... and they get COVID .. and it accelerates that death (like most cases except gun shot victims).

That sounds much better.

 

[jotathought]

Those vaccines do NOT prevent 100% of the illnesses they are targeted at and people who are not clinically affected by an illness are still capable of spreading it.

Your basic theses that "A vaccine totally prevents any possibility of contracting an illness." and "A vaccine totally prevents a person from being a disease carrier for the disease that the vaccine is targeted at." are both total rubbish.

How many people have polio today in the United States? Will you plan to go into the iron lung department to accommodate them?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

COVID is an accelerator .. typically augmenting the effects of pre-existing conditions ... (shocker .. the people with comorbidities were already at high risk of death) and I accept that COVID is what took these comorbidities over the top. I don't agree that gunshot victims died of COVID .. but whatever ... Where is the shock and awe of the nearly 400K deaths under a Biden administration, even after a majority of Americans have received the 1st dose?

Quite right, why just look at the way that the situation in the US has gone downhill since Mr. Biden was inaugurated.

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[Ethel2]

It's like abortion .. it should be my decision on how I maintain my body, instead of government mandating what I must do. If I want to take the risk, that should be my decision .. and not Joe Biden.

The difference is this: no one ever caught “abortion” from someone else. No one ever caught obesity, heart disease, or diabetes from someone else. With those conditions you only harm yourself.
If you don’t get vaccinated you present a greater risk to OTHERS.
I draw the line right there.