The One Question No Democrat On These Boards Can Answer

[Slartibartfast]

You are looking at this through a completely partisan lens. A partisan House investigation will not gain the support of anyone on the right. So if your goal is to remove Trump from office, it wont happen under the current strategy. I mean it may not happen at all no matter what you do, but an open and bipartisan inquiry is the only path to removal. But like you said, you dont care. Damaging him so he cant win in 2020 is fine by you

If the congressional republicans were anything close to objective, then I would agree with your idea on how things should go. Of course, if that were the case, things would have not gotten this bad to begin with.

Unfortunately, they are not.

So given that, this is the only option.

 

[Deuce]

This is so simple. Why is it so hard to understand?

If you have the power of the House behind you so this doesn't look like a personal claim, and have the votes to have an Impeachment Inquiry, you can present public evidence to the House and would gain support of voters to Impeach. Even if the Impeachment failed the Senate, you would be able to use the information made public during the election that would all but guarantee an election result for the Democrat party.

Bypassing the best opportunity the party has ever had to Impeach by having an Impeachment Inquiry confirmed using the power of the House means you are either stupid, or don't have the votes. All you do by bypassing the House is alienate voters to support your claims. And after 3 years of failed Impeachment claims this looks exactly what it is. No evidence to present and no votes to support.

There’s no such thing as an impeachment inquiry vote.

 

[vegas giants]

Im actually not worried about it. Im just trying to prepare you guys for when this fails. You werent prepared for his victory in 2016 and you have been in complete meltdown ever since. Im just trying to keep history from repeating itself. You guys going even further off the deep end will make a site like this completely unusable.

It seems you guys are in meltdown now. Trump is panicked. Polls show the people want this inquiry. It does not look good for trump

 

[Hypothetical]

It seems you guys are in meltdown now. Trump is panicked. Polls show the people want this inquiry. It does not look good for trump

you Dems still don't understand the difference between an inquiry that the people want, and a witch hunt , do you?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

You are looking at this through a completely partisan lens. A partisan House investigation will not gain the support of anyone on the right. So if your goal is to remove Trump from office, it wont happen under the current strategy. I mean it may not happen at all no matter what you do, but an open and bipartisan inquiry is the only path to removal. But like you said, you dont care. Damaging him so he cant win in 2020 is fine by you

LOL! The only partisan thing about this is the fiction that this could ever be bipartisan, given that the GOP is turning a blind eye to twump's rank criminality.

 

[jnug]

Im actually not worried about it. Im just trying to prepare you guys for when this fails. You werent prepared for his victory in 2016 and you have been in complete meltdown ever since. Im just trying to keep history from repeating itself. You guys going even further off the deep end will make a site like this completely unusable.

No your not. My God....You haven't found the bottom yet I see.

 

[Jay59]

No that was Robert Mueller. We don’t have a Special Prosecutor for the Ukraine matter. We don’t need one.

You don't need one because there is nothing to the allegations.

No, you didn't answer. You deflected. If Trump cared about corruption why would he only bring up HRC and Biden? If the COUNTRY of Ukraine is corrupt, why not ask about UKRAINE, not americans?

Wow. Asking Ukraine is our business when it involves Americans, such as Joe Biden, such as Hunter Biden, such as Hillary Clinton.

Was there a vote on an impeachment inquiry for Andrew Jackson?

There was never any sort of impeachment proceeding against Andrew Jackson.

Or for that matter, why not ask about Russia? (I’m being facetious , of course!). After all, Putin, Trump’s mentor, is widely regarded as the most openly corrupt leader in the world. But while Trump media makes all sorts of vague noise about Ukraine, there isn’t a peep out of them about Russia!

Facetious means inappropriate.

Why not ask Russia if they might have relevant information they might be willing to share? It's called diplomacy.

 

[trixare4kids]

And I keep saying Pelosi is on the pot but won't be bullied just because Trumpettes want her to be bullied.

What you see as bullying, I see as holding her accountable. She owes it to the country to bring it to a vote.
But ultimately, it's her choice to delay. For the rest of us, the optics are looking like just another Democratic Party temper tantrum.

 

[vegas giants]

you Dems still don't understand the difference between an inquiry that the people want, and a witch hunt , do you?

Yes. This is an inquiry

 

[mrjurrs]

I said to remove a president I did already. If they have the votes to launch an official impeachment inquiry, yet dont hold the vote for the sole purpose of protecting their members and keeping the investigation strictly partisan, then they obviously arent serious.

You did say remove (in the last line after talking about impeachment all post) sorry. However, the rest of your point is superfluous at best. Not required, so any sense of non-importance is from you only. Enjoy it.

 

[Jay59]

Then we will just make Trump unelectable. That's fine too.

So it's personal, not political.

And I keep saying Pelosi is on the pot but won't be bullied just because Trumpettes want her to be bullied.

:lamo Classic.

protecting the country, obviously

From you?

Nope. Merely a coincidence. Trump deserves to be destroyed. He deserves to have his name and nearly every action taken by him dragged through the mud and to have his flagrant abuse of our system, the theft of our tax dollars exposed, to have light shined on the abuse of the office of the presidency to get foreign countries to interfere in our democracy etc. etc. The impeachment has been started because democrats have absolutely no choice due to his actions. It was started for the right reasons. But if the republicans put party over country and the only thing that comes from it is that sunlight peels back all of the Trump corruption, and the illicit complicity of the republican party, that will be the best alternative outcome.

OK Very personal.

LOL! What's amazing to me is how someone wouldn't understand that impeachment is ALWAYS political. Their legal case is rock solid, practically airtight. And it's delusional to thing that twump is doing anything other than tearing down the political structure of the nation by his criminal acts.

It amazes me that you think it's always political. It is not.

We have many instances of Congressional and Judicial impeachment for comparison. When it is partisan, it is believed to be a corruption of due process. To choose one, Dan Rostenkowski was using the House Post Office in a massive money laundering scheme. He stepped down when he was told he would not survive impeachment.

It is supposed to only be used when it is clear to both parties that there is criminal activity, but the person will not step down voluntarily. That is far from the situation here. However, it was the situation in 1999. Despite overwhelming evidence, Democrats refused to convict.

you Dems still don't understand the difference between an inquiry that the people want, and a witch hunt , do you?

They understand. They recognize that they have nothing else, nothing else.

No your not. My God....You haven't found the bottom yet I see.

We have. You are wading in it.

 

[Condor060]

There’s no such thing as an impeachment inquiry vote.

Just wow.

The House acts by voting. It has never voted to conduct an inquiry into whether President Trump should be impeached. Consequently, there is no House impeachment inquiry. There is a partisan exhibition of synchronized dyspepsia. This exhibition includes strident letters from a cabal of committee chairs, all Democrats, falsely claiming that a refusal by Trump-administration officials to comply with their demands for information and testimony “shall constitute evidence of obstruction of the House’s impeachment inquiry.”

In point of fact, the House has no impeachment inquiry; congressional Democrats have an impeachment political campaign.

Under federal law, the offense of obstructing Congress applies when “any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House.” Again, neither the House nor any of its committees has voted to conduct an impeachment inquiry. There is no formal impeachment proceeding to obstruct. Furthermore, the letters in question are not actually demands carrying the compulsory force of law; technically, they are just informal requests. No one is required to comply with a mere request, and refusing to do so is not evidence of anything, let alone obstruction.

Trump Impeachment Inquiry: House Must Vote or It’s Just a Democratic Stunt | National Review

 

[Condor060]

Well, you’ve finally retreated to the point where you use cartoons to do your thinking for you!

There was no vote to open an impeachment inquiry during the Clinton impeachment.

There does not need to be one now.

How uninformed you would have to be to make that statement.

Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

But there probably will be. Pelosi will hold her votes as the evidence continues to pile up.

WHy would you hold a vote for something you already started. That doesn't make any sense

There are already enough declared votes to both vote the resolution to conduct the investigation.

Pelosi will call the Trumpian hand on that one.

You need to stop parroting it.

Because you will get what the noise machine tells you to want.

And you won’t like it!

[/QUOTE]

You should really get caught up before commenting on this subject.

The House acts by voting. It has never voted to conduct an inquiry into whether President Trump should be impeached. Consequently, there is no House impeachment inquiry. There is a partisan exhibition of synchronized dyspepsia. This exhibition includes strident letters from a cabal of committee chairs, all Democrats, falsely claiming that a refusal by Trump-administration officials to comply with their demands for information and testimony “shall constitute evidence of obstruction of the House’s impeachment inquiry.” In point of fact, the House has no impeachment inquiry; congressional Democrats have an impeachment political campaign.

Under federal law, the offense of obstructing Congress applies when “any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House.” Again, neither the House nor any of its committees has voted to conduct an impeachment inquiry. There is no formal impeachment proceeding to obstruct. Furthermore, the letters in question are not actually demands carrying the compulsory force of law; technically, they are just informal requests. No one is required to comply with a mere request, and refusing to do so is not evidence of anything, let alone obstruction.

Trump Impeachment Inquiry: House Must Vote or It’s Just a Democratic Stunt | National Review

 

[Condor060]

You are still pretending that a vote is required for an impeachment inquiry. It's not.

That was NEVER claimed. You are just making up lines to dodge the actual content of my post

When everything is said and done, and they have gathered all the evidence they can, there will be a vote.

Why would you have a vote for something you already started. That doesn't make any sense.

IF you don't get it now, you never will.

Bypassing the power of a House vote for an Impeachment Inquiry, just like it has been done since the beginning of time, tells the voters you don't have the evidence or the votes.

Having the evidence and the votes and bypassing the power of a House vote makes you an idiot.

How are you going to get the voters and the Republicans in the House and Senate to support this. When you stonewall those people, you get stonewalled back.

 

[Obscurity]

You don't need one because there is nothing to the allegations.


Wow. Asking Ukraine is our business when it involves Americans, such as Joe Biden, such as Hunter Biden, such as Hillary Clinton.


There was never any sort of impeachment proceeding against Andrew Jackson.


Facetious means inappropriate.

Why not ask Russia if they might have relevant information they might be willing to share? It's called diplomacy.

Keep lining these cons up, I'll keep smashing them down. You're another deflectionist.

you fail.

 

[Obscurity]

Your rant is not an answer to the question. Try again and focus this time.

Yawn. Fletch, you're an "always trump" folk so your credibility is below zero. When you have the ghost of a point to make perhaps you can lecture me, until then, scurry off to Breitbart or wherever it is you consume your misinformation.

 

[Condor060]

Because it is not required, she chooses to avoid placing some of her caucus in a politically disadvantaged spot. Why doesn't Sen. McConnell bring up gun safety legislation approved of by about 90% of the US population.

Why would you have a vote for something you already started. That doesn't make any sense.

Bypassing the power of a House vote for an Impeachment Inquiry tells the voters you don't have the evidence or the votes.

Having the evidence and the votes and bypassing the power of a House vote makes you an idiot.

How are you going to get the voters and the Republicans in the House and Senate to support this. When you stonewall those people, you get stonewalled back.

 

[Condor060]

There is no requirement to have a vote to open an impeachment inquiry.

Not a Dem, but I answered your question.

That wasn't the question.

Why would Pelosi decide not go through the House for an Impeachment Inquiry vote for one of the most important decisions you are asking Congress and the Senate to do which is remove an elected sitting president?

Every past Impeachment provided the House with evidence and they voted for an Impeachment Inquiry. Republican and Democrats all voted together.

If you have the evidence and the votes to hold an Impeachment Inquiry, bypassing the power of Republicans and Democrats voting to move this forward is just stupid.

You are telling the voters you don't have the evidence or the votes so you decided to make the decision on your own which makes it a partisan claim.

Now you have another problem. Under federal law, the offense of obstructing Congress applies when any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House.

Again, neither the House nor any of its committees has voted to conduct an impeachment inquiry. There is no formal impeachment proceeding to obstruct. Furthermore, the letters in question are not actually demands carrying the compulsory force of law; technically, they are just informal requests. No one is required to comply with a mere request, and refusing to do so is not evidence of anything, let alone obstruction.

The WH has already responded stating without a formal vote for an Impeachment Inquiry, we will not provide any documents or testimony requested.

So why would you do something so stupid as to bypass the House and do this on your own if you had the votes and evidence? If Pelosi had the votes and the evidence she would have rammed it down Trumps throat and any suggestion that she wouldn't do that is just idiocy.

 

[Condor060]

At last count, 226 people in the House have put their support behind an impeachment inquiry, and behind Pelosi.

As a result, clearly, no vote is needed, nor is it required.

74% of Democrats and 45% of the country support the inquiry, so it doesn’t look like anybody is alienated except the 35% that will never support impeachment, or even censure, against Trump.

Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

Every past Impeachment provided the House with evidence and they voted for an Impeachment Inquiry. Republican and Democrats all voted together.

If you have the evidence and the votes to hold an Impeachment Inquiry, bypassing the power of Republicans and Democrats voting to move this forward is just stupid.

You are telling the voters you don't have the evidence or the votes so you decided to make the decision on your own which makes it a partisan claim.

Now you have another problem. Under federal law, the offense of obstructing Congress ONLY applies when any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House.

Again, neither the House nor any of its committees has voted to conduct an impeachment inquiry. There is no formal impeachment proceeding to obstruct. Furthermore, the letters in question are not actually demands carrying the compulsory force of law; technically, they are just informal requests. No one is required to comply with a mere request, and refusing to do so is not evidence of anything, let alone obstruction.

The WH has already responded stating without a formal vote for an Impeachment Inquiry, we will not provide any documents or testimony requested.

So why would you do something so stupid as to bypass the House and do this on your own if you had the votes and evidence? If Pelosi had the votes and the evidence she would have rammed it down Trumps throat and any suggestion that she wouldn't do that is just idiocy.

IF they don't hold the vote, they won't get any support to Impeach and this will fall flat on its ass. This is a dumb way to do it if you actually have the votes and evidence and its the only way to do it if you don't have the votes or evidence.

Most of this country knows this.

 

[jimbo]

I don't care that much right now

You got Nuthin'?

 

[Slartibartfast]

You got Nuthin'?

I guess so, right now this Trump stuff is taking up my interest, so its not worth my time to do any research on Kavanaugh.

I will eventually read about it.

 

[roughdraft274]

That was NEVER claimed. You are just making up lines to dodge the actual content of my post



Why would you have a vote for something you already started. That doesn't make any sense.

IF you don't get it now, you never will.

Bypassing the power of a House vote for an Impeachment Inquiry, just like it has been done since the beginning of time, tells the voters you don't have the evidence or the votes.

Having the evidence and the votes and bypassing the power of a House vote makes you an idiot.

How are you going to get the voters and the Republicans in the House and Senate to support this. When you stonewall those people, you get stonewalled back.

Are you serious?

Think of it as a grand jury. You form a grand jury, gather evidence, present the evidence, and then they vote on if a crime should be charged. This is the same thing. The person who was legally voted in as the speaker of the house initiated an investigation, and no vote was taken as no vote was needed to initiate this investigation or "inquiry", they will gather evidence and investigate, get the facts out and then vote on if there should be a trial in the senate. You keep asking why don't they vote to start an inquiry when in reality no vote is needed. It's a stupid question.

And the "if you stonewall you get stonewalled back" bull****, is just that.

Here's the answer you need. If a democrat president released an official transcript, and numerous whistleblowers came out to corroborate this transcript that showed the president blatantly and flagrantly abused his office in an attempt to thwart our democracy and our fair elections, should republicans ignore it because democrats don't care? Or should they investigate it for the sake of the country?

And there's the answer to your question. This isn't complicated.

 

[Superfly]

Every past Impeachment provided the House with evidence and they voted for an Impeachment Inquiry. Republican and Democrats all voted together.

If you have the evidence and the votes to hold an Impeachment Inquiry, bypassing the power of Republicans and Democrats voting to move this forward is just stupid.

You are telling the voters you don't have the evidence or the votes so you decided to make the decision on your own which makes it a partisan claim.

Now you have another problem. Under federal law, the offense of obstructing Congress ONLY applies when any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House.

Again, neither the House nor any of its committees has voted to conduct an impeachment inquiry. There is no formal impeachment proceeding to obstruct. Furthermore, the letters in question are not actually demands carrying the compulsory force of law; technically, they are just informal requests. No one is required to comply with a mere request, and refusing to do so is not evidence of anything, let alone obstruction.

The WH has already responded stating without a formal vote for an Impeachment Inquiry, we will not provide any documents or testimony requested.

So why would you do something so stupid as to bypass the House and do this on your own if you had the votes and evidence? If Pelosi had the votes and the evidence she would have rammed it down Trumps throat and any suggestion that she wouldn't do that is just idiocy.

IF they don't hold the vote, they won't get any support to Impeach and this will fall flat on its ass. This is a dumb way to do it if you actually have the votes and evidence and its the only way to do it if you don't have the votes or evidence.

Most of this country knows this.

tl;dr

No formal vote is necessary.

The end.

Really. That’s it. No formal vote is necessary, no matter how twisted your knickers get.

No. Formal. Vote. Is. Necessary.

Should I tell you again? Would it sink in this time?

No formal vote is necessary.

I am finished with this idiotic line of debate.

You are butthurt because imaginary rules aren’t being followed.

Get over it.

 

[mrjurrs]

Why would you have a vote for something you already started. That doesn't make any sense.

Bypassing the power of a House vote for an Impeachment Inquiry tells the voters you don't have the evidence or the votes.

Having the evidence and the votes and bypassing the power of a House vote makes you an idiot.

How are you going to get the voters and the Republicans in the House and Senate to support this. When you stonewall those people, you get stonewalled back.

No offense, but I'm going to take Speaker Pelosi's political acumen over yours. There will be a House vote, on Articles of Impeachment.

 

[Condor060]

No offense, but I'm going to take Speaker Pelosi's political acumen over yours. There will be a House vote, on Articles of Impeachment.

Which political acumen are you referring too. Seems she has a different claim depending on the situation