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The Most Efficient Healthcare Systems In The World (INFOGRAPHICS)

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High time for a major overhaul of the U.S. health care system.
So what can the U.S. learn from the many countries that get more bang for their healthcare buck? Unsurprisingly, there is no one formula for success when it comes to efficient medical care. The systems that rank highly on Bloomberg's list are as diverse as the nations to which they belong. The unifying factor seems to be tight government control over a universal system, which may take many shapes and forms -- a fact evident in the top-three most efficient healthcare systems in the world: Hong Kong, Singapore, and Japan.
The Most Efficient Healthcare Systems In The World (INFOGRAPHICS)
 

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In other words, the world's richest country spends more of its money on healthcare while getting less than almost every other nation in return.

That's what I been trying to tell these guys.
 

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What part of the data do you disagree with? Pick a specific point and discuss it. Repeating moron and silliness and other such insults is not really rational discussion.
Yeah, ranks countries like Cuba better than the US. This is Michael Moroning the INFOGRAPHICS... such silliness.
 

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Ok, well at least you did not disappoint me. Do you understand the three metrics the rankings were measured by and weight given to each? Do you have some other way you think might better demonstrate the efficiency of a healthcare system?

Each country was ranked on three criteria: life expectancy (weighted 60%), relative per capita cost of health care (30%); and absolute per capita cost of health care (10%).
I picked Cuba, say something smart now. And I mean intelligent. Or at least try.
 

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What part of the data do you disagree with? Pick a specific point and discuss it. Repeating moron and silliness and other such insults is not really rational discussion.
Pop a chill pill, dude. Don't see your data/factoid smartness spread all over the thread here....I picked Cuba, now say something smart. And I talking about intelligent. At least maybe give it a shot.
 

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What do you think is silly.
Yeah, ranks countries like Cuba better than the US. This is Michael Moroning the INFOGRAPHICS... such silliness.
Pop a chill pill, dude. Don't see your data/factoid smartness spread all over the thread here....I picked Cuba, now say something smart. And I talking about intelligent. At least maybe give it a shot.
 

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Ok, well at least you did not disappoint me. Do you understand the three metrics the rankings were measured by and weight given to each? Do you have some other way you think might better demonstrate the efficiency of a healthcare system?

Each country was ranked on three criteria: life expectancy (weighted 60%), relative per capita cost of health care (30%); and absolute per capita cost of health care (10%).
And we are using independent sources, foreign discerning/discriminating sources, in Cuba gathering this data? Or are we just relying on Cuba to supply us with the data?
 

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That is the right wings (your) problem. Yes, all there of these measures can be accurately measured with numbers.
And we are using independent sources, foreign discerning/discriminating sources, in Cuba gathering this data? Or are we just relying on Cuba to supply us with the data?
 

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What do you think is silly.
Seems a consistent strategy of some, if you can not refute the OP then to try to discredit the source or call someone an idiot.
 

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That is the right wings (your) problem. Yes, all there of these measures can be accurately measured with numbers.
Cuban numbers, sorry, cannot be trusted. Back to the drawing board for more propaganda I suppose.

For one, they do not count babies that only live a couple of hours, we do. Skews the data... all the data might be skewed thus as well. There is no universal way of measuring. Besides, you have quality of life vs quantity of life, would much rather live in the USA under freedom. ;)
 

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In other words, the world's richest country spends more of its money on healthcare while getting less than almost every other nation in return.

That's what I been trying to tell these guys.
Yep. :coffeepap
 

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Are we looking for efficiency or quality?
 

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In other words, the world's richest country spends more of its money on healthcare while getting less than almost every other nation in return.

That's what I been trying to tell these guys.
Yet most of that added expense is because of gov't, not in spite of it. Once you remove the relationship between the cost of a good/service from the "access to" it then the cost tends to go up. If I can go into a grocery store and simply load my cart with what I want and then present my gov't issued food card to pay for it, how would that decrease food costs? Only if the gov't then imposes limits upon what the grocer may provide for my selection or what I may place into my cart can that system "save money".
 
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Yet most of that added expense is because of gov't, not in spite of it. Once you remove the relationship between the cost of a good/service from the "access to" it then the cost tends to go up. If I can go into a grocery store and simply load my cart with what I want and then present my gov't issued food card to pay for it, how would that decrease food costs? Only if the gov't then imposes limits upon what the grocer may provide for my selection or what I may place into my cart can that system "save money".
I see what you are trying to say, but lets be really honest about what has been show by the article facts are facts, this is not the first time this has been discussed. Really it comes down to the fact that Republicans, Conservatives, or the aasociation for the right of the day have had their head buried deep in the sand since 2009 about Healthcare. Individual mandate was there idea? Romneycare was the model why because it is vey popular in that state. Single payer is what should be done, we are the most powerful contry in the world yet we lag behind in this because of a boogyman word called socialism? This coming from a bunch of people who believe that they are the 57% that actually pay taxes to the federal government. Trying to compare food to healthcare is a bit of a stretch!
 

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Healthcare in US is more expensive because it is a profit based (greedy) system fueled by the synergistic insurance industry. Very little increase can be realistically blamed on government or lawyers. I am not sure why RWers always say this. Exactly what percentage of healthcare cost is government related do you think?
Yet most of that added expense is because of gov't, not in spite of it. Once you remove the relationship between the cost of a good/service from the "access to" it then the cost tends to go up. If I can go into a grocery store and simply load my cart with what I want and then present my gov't issued food card to pay for it, how would that decrease food costs? Only if the gov't then imposes limits upon what the grocer may provide for my selection or what I may place into my cart can that system "save money".
 

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I see what you are trying to say, but lets be really honest about what has been show by the article facts are facts, this is not the first time this has been discussed. Really it comes down to the fact that Republicans, Conservatives, or the aasociation for the right of the day have had their head buried deep in the sand since 2009 about Healthcare. Individual mandate was there idea? Romneycare was the model why because it is vey popular in that state. Single payer is what should be done, we are the most powerful contry in the world yet we lag behind in this because of a boogyman word called socialism? This coming from a bunch of people who believe that they are the 57% that actually pay taxes to the federal government. Trying to compare food to healthcare is a bit of a stretch!
I have one very simle question:

Did RomneyCare actually lower total medical care costs in the state of MA?
 

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Healthcare in US is more expensive because it is a profit based (greedy) system fueled by the synergistic insurance industry. Very little increase can be realistically blamed on government or lawyers. I am not sure why RWers always say this. Exactly what percentage of healthcare cost is government related do you think?
All of it that allows the use of tax free benefits of employer provided medical care insurance. ;)
 

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What is the weight of the average Japanese versus the average American? How many years of life are lost due to obesity related health problems per American versus per Japanese? How many years of life are lost due to homicides in the US versus Japan?

Sorry, average life expectancy as the only measure of healthcare outcomes is beyond stupid. Only someone blinded by ideology would find this study has any merit. The US leads the world in cancer survival rates as someone has already pointed out. That is a healthcare system indicator, while life expectancy has as much to do, or more, with genetics and lifestyle than healthcare systems.

A real study does as best as it can to eliminate variables such as obesity rates and deaths due to violence among nations. I would be embarrassed to submit a study like this as proof of anything. Do we really have to debate at a sixth grade level?
 

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Actually no study "proves" anything. What measures would you suggest?
What is the weight of the average Japanese versus the average American? How many years of life are lost due to obesity related health problems per American versus per Japanese? How many years of life are lost due to homicides in the US versus Japan?

Sorry, average life expectancy as the only measure of healthcare outcomes is beyond stupid. Only someone blinded by ideology would find this study has any merit. The US leads the world in cancer survival rates as someone has already pointed out. That is a healthcare system indicator, while life expectancy has as much to do, or more, with genetics and lifestyle than healthcare systems.

A real study does as best as it can to eliminate variables such as obesity rates and deaths due to violence among nations. I would be embarrassed to submit a study like this as proof of anything. Do we really have to debate at a sixth grade level?
 

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I see what you are trying to say, but lets be really honest about what has been show by the article facts are facts, this is not the first time this has been discussed. Really it comes down to the fact that Republicans, Conservatives, or the aasociation for the right of the day have had their head buried deep in the sand since 2009 about Healthcare. Individual mandate was there idea? Romneycare was the model why because it is vey popular in that state. Single payer is what should be done, we are the most powerful contry in the world yet we lag behind in this because of a boogyman word called socialism? This coming from a bunch of people who believe that they are the 57% that actually pay taxes to the federal government. Trying to compare food to healthcare is a bit of a stretch!
There is no "stretch" between the comparison of food and healthcare, or healthcare and any other commodity. It's exactly the same. the only difference is that we have chosen to remove healthcare from free market competition, while the cost of food is held in check by free market competition.
 

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Healthcare in US is more expensive because it is a profit based (greedy) system fueled by the synergistic insurance industry. Very little increase can be realistically blamed on government or lawyers. I am not sure why RWers always say this. Exactly what percentage of healthcare cost is government related do you think?
Nearly 100% of it can be blamed on government. We didn't have rampant inflation in health care until the government started encouraging individuals to get health insurance, and until the government started encouraging employers to provide health insurance. Obamacare is a step in the wrong direction as it incentivizes both individuals and businesses even more to have health insurance. And it's really not so much the concept of insurance that is the issue, it's the fact that we have distorted insurance from something that protects us financially from a rare but financially devistating event, into something that is supposed to cover nearly 100% of our normal annual health care needs and wants.
 

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From:

Where U.S. Health Care Ranks Number One
Isn't 'responsiveness' what medicine is all about?.
By MARK B. CONSTANTIAN


The Nobel Prizes in medicine and physiology have been awarded to more Americans than to researchers in all other countries combined. Eight of the 10 top-selling drugs in the world were developed by U.S. companies. The U.S. has some of the highest breast, colon and prostate cancer survival rates in the world. And our country ranks first or second in the world in kidney transplants, liver transplants, heart transplants, total knee replacements, coronary artery bypass, and percutaneous coronary interventions.

We have the shortest waiting time for nonemergency surgery in the world; England has one of the longest. In Canada, a country of 35 million citizens, 1 million patients now wait for surgery and another million wait to see specialists.

When my friend, cardiac surgeon Peter Alivizatos, returned to Greece after 10 years heading the heart transplantation program at Baylor University in Dallas, the one-year heart transplant survival rate there was 50%—five-year survival was only 35%. He soon increased those numbers to 94% one-year and 90% five-year survival, which is what we achieve in the U.S. So the next time you hear that the U.S. is No. 37, remember that Greece is No. 14. Cuba, by the way, is No. 39

Yes, to some degree nations with socialist healthcare leech off what our healthcare system produces. Tell them dead Greek heart transplant patients their system is better than ours. If they reply it will probably be something to the tune of "How come I am dead?".
 
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