The Map Californians Need

[APACHERAT]

One small correction, I don't think Orange County stands alone according to this 2012 election map. (I am from Mission Viejo....moved away a long time ago. I was there in December visiting family though.)
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That's true, but since 1980 Orange County has always been known as Reagan Country.

What has changed are the demographics in the state. 1/3 of the adults in California weren't even born in America. It's been determined over the past 30 years that over 25 % of the native born citizens have fled the state. Mostly Republicans and these were the people who use to keep the states tax coffers full. There was no drop in the states population because they were replaced by legal immigrants and illegal aliens.

San Diego County like Orange County was always a Republican stronghold but with illegal immigration and their off spring anchor babies who are now voting, it looks like the majority in San Diego want Obama phones. The same seems to be true with San Bernardino County.

California use to be the Golden State at one time.I think someone left the gate open.

 

[ReformCollege]

California IS, ALWAYS HAS BEEN and ALWAYS WILL BE the crown jewel of the United States. We love the fact that the right-wing nut jobs hate us so much. It just shows that we are doing it right.

Reality is biting you in the ass. It's about time you said ouch.

 

[beerftw]

One small correction, I don't think Orange County stands alone according to this 2012 election map. (I am from Mission Viejo....moved away a long time ago. I was there in December visiting family though.)
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wow san bernardino county voted blue?when i was living there san bern was a heavily conservative redneck area(excluding the city of san bern which was a massive welfare city with no actual economy)and riverside was mostly liberal then.


ofcourse most of central cali is red,its all farmland almost everyone in the rural parts has a heavy texas accent,well because during the dustbowl many texans moved to cali for farming,as well as many from southern and midwestern states.alotofpeople used to call most of non coastal central cali little texas.

ofcourse i lived in joshua tree,which was comprised of music artists who wanted to escape from places like la,retired people,people from the palm springs area who lived in the cheaper rural city.and lastly cowboys and people who wanted cheap horseland.

 

[APACHERAT]

Um I believe you need to read this.

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=eveningNews&catid=57562186&feed_id=29

And this

DeBord Report : CA unemployment falls to 10.1 in October, state leads nation in new jobs | 89.3 KPCC

Oh and this as well

California Debt Rating Raised by S&P After Surplus Forecast - Bloomberg

What's happening Unitedwestand ? Over at the Politico I either didn't know or forgot that you live in California so that gives you more credibility.

As for another Governor Moonbeam (Jerry Brown) prediction of more tax revenues and a tennie weenie surplus, when has the Governor ever been right with his tax revenue predictions ? NEVER

I wonder if Gov. Moonbeam took in account that this year a 1/4 of a million American born citizens will be leaving the state of California seeking greener pastures where citizens aren't over taxed and over regulated and told by liberal elitist how to live their lives and what kind of gun they can own to protect their families and home. These Americans who will be leaving the state are unlike the majority who now live in California. They actually pay federal individual income taxes, pay state income taxes and don't have Obama phones or a monkey on their backs where they are dependent on government.

Over the past decade we have witnessed the state always predicting more revenue coming in and it never came in. But the State Legislature kept spending money that never appeared in the tax coffers. I'm pretty sure that California will end up with a deficit well over 20 billion dollars at the end of the year.

Knowing how Governor Brown runs things since the 1970's, unlike Barack Obama who cooks the numbers, Gov. Brown moves the money around, what little there is of it.

Like when Brown was Governor in the 70's. He saw a deficit so he took the state's gasoline sales taxes that were only suppose to be used for road construction and maintenance and moved it to the general fund and then proclaimed, "We have a surplus" ! When Brown first became Governor, California had the best roads in America, Today we are close to the bottom.

BTW: California's unemployment is actually closer to 20 %. You know how the unemployment numbers are figured out, by who's collecting unemployment Bennie's.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

What's happening Unitedwestand ? Over at the Politico I either didn't know or forgot that you live in California so that gives you more credibility.

As for another Governor Moonbeam (Jerry Brown) prediction of more tax revenues and a tennie weenie surplus, when has the Governor ever been right with his tax revenue predictions ? NEVER

I wonder if Gov. Moonbeam took in account that this year a 1/4 of a million American born citizens will be leaving the state of California seeking greener pastures where citizens aren't over taxed and over regulated and told by liberal elitist how to live their lives and what kind of gun they can own to protect their families and home. These Americans who will be leaving the state are unlike the majority who now live in California. They actually pay federal individual income taxes, pay state income taxes and don't have Obama phones or a monkey on their backs where they are dependent on government.

Over the past decade we have witnessed the state always predicting more revenue coming in and it never came in. But the State Legislature kept spending money that never appeared in the tax coffers. I'm pretty sure that California will end up with a deficit well over 20 billion dollars at the end of the year.

Knowing how Governor Brown runs things since the 1970's, unlike Barack Obama who cooks the numbers, Gov. Brown moves the money around, what little there is of it.

Like when Brown was Governor in the 70's. He saw a deficit so he took the state's gasoline sales taxes that were only suppose to be used for road construction and maintenance and moved it to the general fund and then proclaimed, "We have a surplus" ! When Brown first became Governor, California had the best roads in America, Today we are close to the bottom.

BTW: California's unemployment is actually closer to 20 %. You know how the unemployment numbers are figured out, by who's collecting unemployment Bennie's.

Ok 256 buissness's left California.... But over 130000 new ones were created. Gee apache and here I thought that my sources were good, or let me guess they are too liberal?

 

[APACHERAT]

wow san bernardino county voted blue?when i was living there san bern was a heavily conservative redneck area(excluding the city of san bern which was a massive welfare city with no actual economy)and riverside was mostly liberal then.


ofcourse most of central cali is red,its all farmland almost everyone in the rural parts has a heavy texas accent,well because during the dustbowl many texans moved to cali for farming,as well as many from southern and midwestern states.alotofpeople used to call most of non coastal central cali little texas.

ofcourse i lived in joshua tree,which was comprised of music artists who wanted to escape from places like la,retired people,people from the palm springs area who lived in the cheaper rural city.and lastly cowboys and people who wanted cheap horseland.

I believe that part of San Bernardino County around and north of Joshua Tree are all meth labs today. ;- ) But still nice country.

 

[beerftw]

I believe that part of San Bernardino County around and north of Joshua Tree are all meth labs today. ;- ) But still nice country.

josjua tree was all meth labs when i lived there back then too,but tweakers werent too bad,most the meth made out there was sold elsewhere,mostly to skinhead gangs in the coachella valley.

 

[mr4anarchy]

This map meets the expectations of the California educational system.
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It's actually a very smart satire on the many regions and counties of California. I could see how people not from California wouldn't get it at all.

They wrote Texas over Kern County, that's hysterical. Santa Barbara/Ventura "Usually on Fire" -- brilliant self-deprecating humor by someone who obviously loves the state.

As far as California schools go, the larger districts in L.A. and Oakland certainly do struggle with the same issues as any large urban area. However, keep in mind the U.C. system (UCLA, Berkley), Stanford, CalTech, CalPoly, USC, all exceptional schools producing a lot of talent in many professions and industries. And a fair number of the top public high schools in the country are in California, of course they're in the more affluent areas, Beverly Hills, Palos Verdes, Mill Valley.

 

[APACHERAT]

Ok 256 buissness's left California.... But over 130000 new ones were created. Gee apache and here I thought that my sources were good, or let me guess they are too liberal?

I didn't see where you got 256 business left California. What kind of businesses, manufacturing probably. Very rarely do service industries move out of state. But how many tens of thousands of small businesses failed ?

Things are turning around but to slowly. California is business unfriendly. California no longer has a manufacturing base.

Most of the new jobs created in California are service industry jobs, not manufacturing. They tend to be low paying. And how many will fail ? In the restaurant industry, 90 % will fail, that's the way it's always been.

In your neck of the woods, you'll do better than down south. But not sure the Silicon Valley can keep the tax coffers full like they were able to do during the Dot-Com boom during the 1990's. Down south in SoCal we don't need any more taco trucks on the streets who I can insure you aren't paying the taxes they should be.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

I didn't see where you got 256 business left California. What kind of businesses, manufacturing probably. Very rarely do service industries move out of state. But how many tens of thousands of small businesses failed ?

Things are turning around but to slowly. California is business unfriendly. California no longer has a manufacturing base.

Most of the new jobs created in California are service industry jobs, not manufacturing. They tend to be low paying. And how many will fail ? In the restaurant industry, 90 % will fail, that's the way it's always been.

In your neck of the woods, you'll do better than down south. But not sure the Silicon Valley can keep the tax coffers full like they were able to do during the Dot-Com boom during the 1990's. Down south in SoCal we don't need any more taco trucks on the streets who I can insure you aren't paying the taxes they should be.

Ok I was off by 2, it was 254 buissness's that left California in 2011, and the website I got it from was here:

2011 total: 254 companies leave California | moved, companie - Business - The Orange County Register

But in that same year 132000 buissness's were created, and California tied with Texas for 2nd hoghest per capita. I got that tidbit from here:

10 most entrepreneurial states - California (3) - CNNMoney

 

[specklebang]

We have many CA escapees in Las Vegas. We don't have a State income tax. Cost of living much lower than most of CA.

But we don't have beaches or balmy weather either. We don't have sidewalk cafes. We don't have hippies. We don't have intellectuals. We don't have a zoo. We don't have much personality. We're not educated. We don't read. Basically we're boring.

CA is great if you can afford it. There's a lot of money there. No place quite like it.

 

[APACHERAT]

Ok I was off by 2, it was 254 buissness's that left California in 2011, and the website I got it from was here:

2011 total: 254 companies leave California | moved, companie - Business - The Orange County Register

But in that same year 132000 buissness's were created, and California tied with Texas for 2nd hoghest per capita. I got that tidbit from here:

10 most entrepreneurial states - California (3) - CNNMoney

Re: New jobs created in Texas.
You may remember back in early 2012 when Texas Governor Rick Perry was on his soap box claiming how many new jobs were created in Texas.

Some conservative Republicans quietly told Gov. Perry that maybe you should get off your soap box. We just discovered that most of those new jobs were low paying jobs in the service industry, mostly burger flipping jobs. And that very few of those new jobs went to unemlpoyed American citizens, The vast majority went to non citizens, mostly Mexican immigrants and illegal aliens.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Re: New jobs created in Texas.
You may remember back in early 2012 when Texas Governor Rick Perry was on his soap box claiming how many new jobs were created in Texas.

Some conservative Republicans quietly told Gov. Perry that maybe you should get off your soap box. We just discovered that most of those new jobs were low paying jobs in the service industry, mostly burger flipping jobs. And that very few of those new jobs went to unemlpoyed American citizens, The vast majority went to non citizens, mostly Mexican immigrants and illegal aliens.

I notice you are not discrediting my sources, why is that apache? Oh and by the I posted a few images on the military vehicle Identification thread. Maybe you know what I posted.

 

[APACHERAT]

We have many CA escapees in Las Vegas. We don't have a State income tax. Cost of living much lower than most of CA.

But we don't have beaches or balmy weather either. We don't have sidewalk cafes. We don't have hippies. We don't have intellectuals. We don't have a zoo. We don't have much personality. We're not educated. We don't read. Basically we're boring.

CA is great if you can afford it. There's a lot of money there. No place quite like it.

Las Vegas, back when it was "Sin City" and the Mafia was involved was a great place. It was before corporate America got involved where a profit had to made in every part of the casino and hotel. Even a homeless bum could live pretty well back then.

Then "Tony the Ant" showed up in Vegas and it was down hill from there on.

The Mob lost it's power and influence in Vegas, the big corporations moved in and then the illegal aliens followed.

There was a time in Vegas when the Mormons worked at the tables, the Rat Pack partied with the gamblers and everyone was treated like a king or queen. Just the profits made from the slots covered the overhead of running the hotel so the rooms were cheap, the food was cheap and when did anyone ever pay for a drink back then ?

But it was the last place you would want to raise a family.

I miss the old Vegas.

FYI: Back in the 50's and early 60's, most of the children went to school at night because that's when most of their parents were at work in the casinos.

 

[APACHERAT]

I notice you are not discrediting my sources, why is that apache? Oh and by the I posted a few images on the military vehicle Identification thread. Maybe you know what I posted.

You know I only challenge or discredit your sources when they are wrong or questionable.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

You know I only challenge or discredit your sources when they are wrong or questionable.

So by that you mean I chose credable sources this time?

 

[Gina]

I have a correction. The I-5 corridor north of L.A., over the Grapevine, until you get to Sacramento, should be labelled, The Valley of Perdition. The most awful stretch of highway ever. You never feel like you are making any progress for about 6 hours or so.

 

[specklebang]

I got here in 1974, just at the end of the mob era.

Sure, we all miss "the good old days" when it was a small town and you ran into pople you knew. But I've tried to leave here twice and I just end up back here. I gave up and I've settled in for the duration.

I live near Flamingo and Maryland Pkwy. and it's not the fancy part of town. My many Mexican neighbors are just nice, working folks ho take good care of their properties. Since I'm a landlord, I don't have to go far to find a handyman. I may not have anything in common with them intellectually, but I'm friendly to them and they're actually kind of protective of me. If I leave my garage door open, they close it and then admonish me when I get home.

I suppose you can be happy anywhere you decide that you're happy enough. Newport Beach is nice. I actually moved to Laguna Beach in 93 - that didn't work out so well for me. Diamonds and stones.

Las Vegas, back when it was "Sin City" and the Mafia was involved was a great place. It was before corporate America got involved where a profit had to made in every part of the casino and hotel. Even a homeless bum could live pretty well back then.

Then "Tony the Ant" showed up in Vegas and it was down hill from there on.

The Mob lost it's power and influence in Vegas, the big corporations moved in and then the illegal aliens followed.

There was a time in Vegas when the Mormons worked at the tables, the Rat Pack partied with the gamblers and everyone was treated like a king or queen. Just the profits made from the slots covered the overhead of running the hotel so the rooms were cheap, the food was cheap and when did anyone ever pay for a drink back then ?

But it was the last place you would want to raise a family.

I miss the old Vegas.

FYI: Back in the 50's and early 60's, most of the children went to school at night because that's when most of their parents were at work in the casinos.

 

[Moot]

How old are you disneydude ? ...<snip>...

Should I go down the list of all of the personal freedoms I no longer have in California because of the leftist liberal nanny state that California has become ?

....<snip>...

Yeah, I'd like to see a few on your list. I used to live in L.A. and I don't recall any of my personal freedoms taken away.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I like Reagans view of the world a little bit better

 

[APACHERAT]

So by that you mean I chose credable sources this time?

On business and economics, Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal, CNN Money and Fox Business News are reliable sources. NBC Business News, Not ! They have caused many to loose a lot of money.

But these stories are just painting a rosy picture when the truth is, the economy is in big trouble.

That for four years the Feds have been printing up money with nothing to back it up with, just to prop up the Obama economy and at the same time Obama has been pumping money we don't have in to the economy. We are going to pay big time in the near future.

We now have inflation because the federal government has interfered with the recovery by spending money we don't have and printing money with nothing backing it up.

Consumer confidence is up, but manufacturing isn't hiring new workers, they are just holding on to the workers they all ready employ.

The national unemployment is at the same level as when Obama first entered the White House in 2009.

The majority of the new jobs created in the private sector have been low paying jobs.

There are 100,000 janitors in America who have a bachelor degree. 10 % of the taxi drivers in America are college graduates.

Economics is a strange sedo science. For every economist who says one thing, there's another who says the opposite.

History has shown us that when there's a recession, any time government interferes, the recovery is slow. It's always best to let it run it's course with out government interfering. America has had 47 recessions or depressions since 1797. They are unavoidable, it's part of life.

My opinion is, the recession of 1980 was more sever than the recession that Obama entered office with. Obama's recession ended I believe in July of 2009 but we haven't recovered because of Obama's policies and interfering. Lets face it, Obama is clueless on how the capitalism works. The recovery from the 1980 recession was quick because President Reagan played it cool, didn't spend years blaming Carter and basically allowed it to run it's course.

I'm sure you remember and probably participated over on the Politico when every year there was a debate on America's Great Depression. Did FDR's policies prolong the depression or helped it. Who's policies brought America out of the Great Depression, FDR's or Hitlers ? Those were good debates and they were debates.

 

[APACHERAT]

Yeah, I'd like to see a few on your list. I used to live in L.A. and I don't recall any of my personal freedoms taken away.

A few, OK.

Since you once lived in L.A. are you familiar with the Palos Verdes Peninsula ? Portuguese Bend ? They now have signs along the coves saying if you pass this point you will get a $500 ticket. The Nanny State will protect you if your to stupid to know there are low and high tides and if the tide comes in, you could get trapped or even drown.

You can no longer have someone riding in the back of a pick up truck. The reason the libs passed this law was when the illegal aliens started to have large families, instead of buying a large sedan or van it was macho to drive a pick up truck with a cow painted on the side and fill the back of the truck with all ten members of their family. Accidents do happen.

Just above the city of Azusa in one of the canyons in the foothills there this cool swimming hole with a waterfall. For over a hundred years people have been going there to swim. There's one newly arrived people who don't own swimsuits and go swimming fully clothed and drown. The Nanny State decided to protect the 1 % the other 99 % can no longer swim at this place.

Smokers can no longer smoke on the beach. That second hand smoke may cause that person 400 yards from you to get cancer.

Harley Davidson's and helmets don't mix.

The liberals in Sacramento who don't know a damn thing about firearms and actually call ammunition magazines clips think they know better than I on what gun I should own to protect my family and home with.

There are hundreds of thousands of acres of public land out in the Mojave Desert I'm no longer allowed to access.

If you live in Southern California and have a fireplace in your home and one night it drops down in to the 30, you better get on the internet and find out if you have permission to throw some logs in your fireplace and light a fire. The Nanny state now decides when you can use a fireplace to stay warm.

It was the California Nanny State who decided what kind of light bulb you can use in your kitchen at home.

I can keep on going and going with hundreds of Nanny State laws and regulations.

It's about freedom and the freedom to make a choice. We no longer have those freedoms. It's now the political left telling us they know better than we do.

 

[Moot]

A few, OK.

Since you once lived in L.A. are you familiar with the Palos Verdes Peninsula ? Portuguese Bend ? They now have signs along the coves saying if you pass this point you will get a $500 ticket. The Nanny State will protect you if your to stupid to know there are low and high tides and if the tide comes in, you could get trapped or even drown.

You can no longer have someone riding in the back of a pick up truck. The reason the libs passed this law was when the illegal aliens started to have large families, instead of buying a large sedan or van it was macho to drive a pick up truck with a cow painted on the side and fill the back of the truck with all ten members of their family. Accidents do happen.

Just above the city of Azusa in one of the canyons in the foothills there this cool swimming hole with a waterfall. For over a hundred years people have been going there to swim. There's one newly arrived people who don't own swimsuits and go swimming fully clothed and drown. The Nanny State decided to protect the 1 % the other 99 % can no longer swim at this place.

Smokers can no longer smoke on the beach. That second hand smoke may cause that person 400 yards from you to get cancer.

Harley Davidson's and helmets don't mix.

The liberals in Sacramento who don't know a damn thing about firearms and actually call ammunition magazines clips think they know better than I on what gun I should own to protect my family and home with.

There are hundreds of thousands of acres of public land out in the Mojave Desert I'm no longer allowed to access.

If you live in Southern California and have a fireplace in your home and one night it drops down in to the 30, you better get on the internet and find out if you have permission to throw some logs in your fireplace and light a fire. The Nanny state now decides when you can use a fireplace to stay warm.

It was the California Nanny State who decided what kind of light bulb you can use in your kitchen at home.

I can keep on going and going with hundreds of Nanny State laws and regulations.

It's about freedom and the freedom to make a choice. We no longer have those freedoms. It's now the political left telling us they know better than we do.

Oh yeah, it's all coming back to me now. lol I remember the wave of new anti-smoking laws and it didn't take long to make criminals out of smokers. You have to wear a helmet to even ride a bicycle, now. But it's not just California, red state Utah has more than it's share of nanny laws too...the worst and most obvious are the liquor laws. SLC also has "no burn" days in winter because of the inversion layer. We have to recycle plastic, too. They won't even let dogs ride in the back of a pick truck anymore here. There's all kinds of new restrictions on hunting and fishing that seem to favor the rich. Out of state developers seem to have more rights than the local citizens. Locals can hardly afford to go skiing anymore. The government seems to pricing the lower and middle class out of the real estate market with high property taxes. I pay higher property taxes here than I did in L.A.

Anyway, I have a hard time believing it's all just political left nanny laws when California is pretty evenly divided between the urban coastal liberals and the inland suburban and rural conservatives. And too, until recently California mostly had Republican governors for the last 30 years or more. Btw, I heard that Gov. Brown balanced the budget.

 

[Gardener]

I can keep on going and going .

Don't feel like you have to, now.

All anybody has to do to hear all this incredibly hackneyed and dogmatic right wing stuff is to turn on A.M. radio.

The op was cute, and poked gentle fun. Your extreme partisan, sledgehammer approach is boring. Have you considered displaying a bit of lighthearted wit and intelligence instead of just slamming away with trite, repetitive dogma?

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Don't feel like you have to, now.

All anybody has to do to hear all this incredibly hackneyed and dogmatic right wing stuff is to turn on A.M. radio.

The op was cute, and poked gentle fun. Your extreme partisan, sledgehammer approach is boring. Have you considered displaying a bit of lighthearted wit and intelligence instead of just slamming away with trite, repetitive dogma?

Hey there, there is no need for that.