mikhail said:^^^^
well democracy is probably more accurate
Sadly, a lot of people in the world are clueless about what freedom is. Even here in America. Too bad, 'cause freedom is a wonderful thing...jakurus said:This guy is clueless. He didn't know we elected Representatives every 2 years.
I say let him read much more about the American political system before he comes back.
jakurus said:This guy is clueless. He didn't know we elected Representatives every 2 years.
I say let him read much more about the American political system before he comes back.
Imudman said:Sadly, a lot of people in the world are clueless about what freedom is. Even here in America. Too bad, 'cause freedom is a wonderful thing...
Surenderer said:Well sadly alot of people dont know what freedom is because they dont have it....even in America....Ask a Gay what it is like to not be able to get married...or be open about their sexuality in the military....Ask a Black why in the year 2005 does America still have Affirmative Action....or why Alabama, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia and Wyoming permanently prohibit voting rights for felons.(According to Human Rights Watch and The Sentencing Project, nearly 3.9 million people are prohibited from voting, a majority of whom are former convicts who completed their sentences.)...Freedom IS a wonderful thing....but everybody aint got it
Freedom isn't a license to be licentious. Homosexuals enjoy the same marriage rights as everyone else. Also, are you saying you consider the right to vote a human right? I won't say you're clueless about what freedom is, but you're behind the curve...Surenderer said:Well sadly alot of people dont know what freedom is because they dont have it....even in America....Ask a Gay what it is like to not be able to get married...or be open about their sexuality in the military....Ask a Black why in the year 2005 does America still have Affirmative Action....or why Alabama, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia and Wyoming permanently prohibit voting rights for felons.(According to Human Rights Watch and The Sentencing Project, nearly 3.9 million people are prohibited from voting, a majority of whom are former convicts who completed their sentences.)...Freedom IS a wonderful thing....but everybody aint got it
peace
You're right Nemo. Except that now the Supreme Oligarchy of Nine have taken over. And did you just say "lest"...? :2razz:Nemo said:Freedom and equality are ideals; but, absent a perfect world, no one can live in society and be entirely free or completely equal. For every freedom there is a corresponding obligation to others, and equality is limited to the extent that such obligations are mutual, and others do not demand rights without responsibility for their exercise. In this, the promise of America is not freedom and equality, but rather liberty and equal opportunity and justice under law. But such promise cannot be kept when government instituted by men favors the few in derogation of the many, or serves the special interests at the expense of the public interest, and when the rich and powerful can have more justice than the poor and oppressed.
We Americans are a nation of laws and not men. But the law can be both used and abused by men; and so it is the duty and responsibility of every citizen to oversee those who make and enforce the laws and administer justice lest our democratic institutions be turned into a tyranny over us.
mikhail said:Lets be honest here I'm cutting the crap and long explanations but how is democracy freedom. Since this is mainly American i will use the American format. Your total input into democracy is once every 4 years you get two candidates to choice from.
nkgupta80 said:Yep we were the first, so u'd expect us to be the best.
Checkerboard Strangler said:"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."
"Americans like to talk about (or be told about) Democracy but, when put to
the test, usually find it to be an 'inconvenience.' We have opted instead
for an authoritarian system disguised as a Democracy. We pay through
the nose for an enormous joke-of-a-government, let it push us around, and
then wonder how all those assholes got in there."
---Frank Zappa
jakurus said:And Frank Zappa is freaking nuts. Not to mention he regurgitates that crap pretty poorly.
What's your point?
Did people vote Hugo Chavez into power in Venezuela? Yes. Are they free? Not by our standards.
Kelzie said:Well you know except for Greece...
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