Aurora151989
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Aurora151989 said:This is atrocious! I can't believe those officers even went along with him in the killings. And he had the GALL to committ suicide?? don't even get me started on HITLER he is the worst person in the universe! You know why? because he killed women men and children just because they weren't aryan!!
SKILMATIC said:Umm... I agree with you but he wasnt the only one who has killed women and children to exterminate a race or something. You do know that right?
Furthermore, was it ok in your mind becasue he killed women and children that we invaded germany and bombed the smitherines out of them? Just curoius
Aurora151989 said:Who else tried to commit genocide? And i also don't appreciate what america did as my father's mother is from germany and was my age when ww2 happened. So it is personal and my grandmother has told me many stories about the bombs and the rabbits they had to raise for food. So I do not think it was ok.
SKILMATIC said:Well if it wasnt for those bombs your precious fuhrer would have continued the manslaughter. Peoples actions have consequences especially if they are a leader of a country. His actions affected you and your family directly. However, if we didnt use such actions we would have never been able to break the german defensives. Or maybe you would rather have a whole society wiped off the face of the earth?
Aurora151989 said:I admit that the bombings were a necessary evil. Today in my american studies 2 class, my teacher said that hitler had been wounded in ww1 and that hitler heard a voice saying stand up so he did and bam something went off right where he was sitting. That's how he got wounded, but it makes me wonder if he was insane... And I had thought he killed himself BEFORE the bombs.
SKILMATIC said:Yes there were. They were a necassary evil to stop a greater evil. O and you do know Sadaam has killed tens of thousands of kurd women and children. So in your own admission it was ok to use some evil to stop a greater evil so you would then condone what we are doing today. Ok I just wanted to make sure of that. Thank you
Aurora151989 said:Actually I am against the war in iraq. I am glad that we caught Sadaam, however I don't see the point of this war.
SKILMATIC said:You dont see a point in fighting terrorism? I am a little confused here please explain.
Aurora151989 said:oh! i didn't realize the war was against terrorism. I thought it was simply to find saddam. I DO see a point in fighting terrorism.
SKILMATIC said:Ok but you do know sadaam is a terrorist right? So then the war in iraq is in concordance to the war on terror becasue we were capturing a known terrorist. You do know that right? I am sure you do but I just want to make sure.
Aurora151989 said:yes, now i know that, thank you for educating me:mrgreen:
SKILMATIC said:Well if it wasnt for those bombs your precious fuhrer would have continued the manslaughter. Peoples actions have consequences especially if they are a leader of a country. His actions affected you and your family directly. However, if we didnt use such actions we would have never been able to break the german defensives. Or maybe you would rather have a whole society wiped off the face of the earth?
Your welcome. Lots of people misconstrue the war in iraq about being just about WMD's which is a fallacy. It is on terror. This whole war is on terror. It is not on a single country or regime or terrorist group; it is on all forms and groups or peoples of terrorism.
-Demosthenes- said:Yes, there were ties to terrorism, many captured terrorists named Saddam or Iraq (for which he as the leader of) as a supporters, and Saddam was known to give thousands to families of suicide bombers. In reality, he was a Islamic fundamentalist dictator, and the narrow possibility (and the inevitable eventuality) of chemical/biological weapons (or WMD's) added to the justification. The simple reason that Kurds were being killed, political oppression was rampant (political execution/imprisonment/torture), and the lack of over all freedom of the actual population are the biggest factors.
There is a good point the comparison to Saddam to Hitler. Being isolationist at the time of the beginning of WWII in Europe the US didn't get involved. This let Hitler take power in he first place, and then take a number of countries in Europe before even European powers decided to intervene.
Also a very telling comparison, as Germany was defeated in WWI the people of Germany were required to pay millions upon millions of dollars in reparation. This destroyed their economy and set them up to be the aggressor of WWII.
The lesson of WWII was enough. Afterwords, the US sent troops and money everywhere, if they hadn't then World Wars could just keep repeating every 20 years or so. Money and support was pumped into Europe, millions of dollars under the Marshall Plan. There were no more wars like the World Wars because Europe's countries were rebuilt. If a countries economy is good then they won't turn to dictators that promise prosperity (like Hitler) or communist governments.
So you see, if Iraq is invaded and then left before it is rebuilt, then it will fall to the same fate as Germany after WWI. It would simply replace Saddam with another fundamentalist dictator. The rebuilding is just as important as the invading.
I didn't mean (if in fact I did so) to exclude other possible ways that dictators rise to power. The point is that a weak (in economic terms) country is more likely to fall prey to a dictatorship, I didn't mean to imply that that was the only way, just the way pertinent to the current situation.There are several middle eastern countries with good economies and a dictatorship. Saudi Arabia comes to mind.
Aurora151989 said:This is atrocious! I can't believe those officers even went along with him in the killings. And he had the GALL to committ suicide?? don't even get me started on HITLER he is the worst person in the universe! You know why? because he killed women men and children just because they weren't aryan!!
Kelzie said:There are several middle eastern countries with good economies and a dictatorship. Saudi Arabia comes to mind.
Streicher said:israel another,it was built and is still being built on genocide.
Please be more specific.Streicher said:You are being irational. What on earth are you accusing people of?
Aurora151989 said:This is atrocious! I can't believe those officers even went along with him in the killings. And he had the GALL to committ suicide?? don't even get me started on HITLER he is the worst person in the universe! You know why? because he killed women men and children just because they weren't aryan!!
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