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The insane ethno-supremacism of Israel's Right-Wing (1 Viewer)

Y’all really need to drop the “antisemitism” canard.

At least until you can give an example of what other nation gets to divert any and all criticism of the actions of that state by claiming it is due to hatred of that nations individual members.

Russia doesn’t get a pass for its misbehavior by simply claiming it is “antislavism”, for example.

Iran doesn’t get a pass by claiming anti Arabism.

Only Israel gets to do that.

There’s a reason the ADL is considered the premiere propaganda outfit by the manipulation industries.

Correct. Iranians (Persians) are actually distinct from Arabs, but that level of ethnic, linguistic and tribal origin is not required to understand that principles your post. Antisemitism is definitely a thing, but not as it relates to the origins of this conflict (and in fact, claims of antisemitism dilute and discredit actual antisemitism).

If someone breaks into your house, takes your property and chains you in the backyard, you can't rightly claim that the victim's grievance is because of the aggressor's religion or ethnicity.
 
Correct. Iranians (Persians) are actually distinct from Arabs, but that level of ethnic, linguistic and tribal origin is not required to understand that principles your post. Antisemitism is definitely a thing, but not as it relates to the origins of this conflict (and in fact, claims of antisemitism dilute and discredit actual antisemitism).

If someone breaks into your house, takes your property and chains you in the backyard, you can't rightly claim that the victim's grievance is because of the aggressor's religion or ethnicity.
Unless of course that behavior is inherently characteristic of that aggressors religion or ethnicity.

So unless it is a genetic/religious trait to colonize, abuse and lie about it, it isn’t antisemitism.

(Someone will say the above is antisemitic. Unironically)
 
Y’all really need to drop the “antisemitism” canard.

At least until you can give an example of what other nation gets to divert any and all criticism of the actions of that state by claiming it is due to hatred of that nations individual members.

Russia doesn’t get a pass for its misbehavior by simply claiming it is “antislavism”, for example.

Iran doesn’t get a pass by claiming anti Arabism.

Only Israel gets to do that.

There’s a reason the ADL is considered the premiere propaganda outfit by the manipulation industries.
Maybe try dropping the obsessive hatred of Jews first.
 
'The 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight involved the depopulation of over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs from their homes, with many fleeing or being expelled by Zionist paramilitaries and later by Israeli military forces. During this period, there were numerous attacks on Palestinian villages by Jewish paramilitary groups such as the Irgun and Lehi, which contributed to the Palestinian exodus. For example, the Deir Yassin massacre, carried out by Irgun and Lehi fighters, killed at least 107 Arab villagers and expelled the rest of the village's residents. These actions, along with other massacres and acts of violence, significantly impacted the morale of the Arab population and led to widespread flight.
Who started the 1948 war? Israel? No. So keep digging that hole.
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The Safsaf massacre, which occurred on October 29, 1948, involved allegations of rape and murder by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian villagers. According to reports, four girls were taken from a lineup of villagers and raped in empty houses, and several women reported being raped by Israeli soldiers, including the rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl.
It's a made up story, like Jews baking matzza balls from Christian children blood. Same motivation for the fake story too.
'Israeli law does not ensure complete equality for all its inhabitants
Thankfully everyone is equal in front of the law in Israel. There are Arab supreme court judges last I checked. You push false narratives meaning you are perfectly aware of your need to lie to maintain the evil antisemitic agenda you follow.
 
The original Zionists were largely secular, and had little connection to the land.

Whether early Zionists were secular or not is irrelevant to indigeneity. Being indigenous isn't contingent on religiosity, just ask any native american atheist.

And what exactly are you saying here? That if your ancestry can be traced to a region, you get to colonize it? There goes Africa.

The Jews have had a historical connection to that land for thousands of years. Calling them "colonizers" is ridiculous.
 
And one need only look at a cross section of Jewish people to see that genetically they’re more European than middle eastern.

Genetics don’t cancel indigeneity. You can have european admixture after 2,000 years of exile and still trace your origins to the levant - just like african-americans have european dna but that doesn’t make them european. Jewish continuity isn’t just genetic, it’s cultural, linguistic, and historical. You don’t need to be genetically pure to go home, all you need are roots.
 
Whether early Zionists were secular or not is irrelevant to indigeneity. Being indigenous isn't contingent on religiosity, just ask any native american atheist.

What is a Jew?

The Jews have had a historical connection to that land for thousands of years. Calling them "colonizers" is ridiculous.

Couldn't the same be said of Christians?
 
Who started the 1948 war? Israel? No. So keep digging that hole.

Who started the colonizing?

It's a made up story, like Jews baking matzza balls from Christian children blood. Same motivation for the fake story too.

Jewish people being incapable of mass rape and other atrocities is, of course, a function of your ethno-supremacy. Despite the mass amount of evidence to the contrary, you attribute the capacity to rape or commit terrorism or harm innocent civilians as being the nature of indigenous savages, not the dignified colonizers. European colonizers of the Americas felt the same way.

Thankfully everyone is equal in front of the law in Israel. There are Arab supreme court judges last I checked. You push false narratives meaning you are perfectly aware of your need to lie to maintain the evil antisemitic agenda you follow.

According to Israel human rights groups, Israel is an apartheid on a scale exceeding South Africa.
 
'The lead-up to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War was marked by significant violence and atrocities committed by both sides. The Zionist forces, including the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi, were involved in several notable incidents that have been widely documented and debated. Here is a detailed examination of the atrocities committed by Zionist forces during this period:

Background and Context​

The 1947-1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine was the first phase of the broader 1947-1949 Palestine war. This conflict began after the United Nations General Assembly adopted Resolution 181 on November 29, 1947, recommending the partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states. The Arab leadership, both in Palestine and in the surrounding Arab states, rejected the partition plan, leading to increased tensions and violence.

Notable Atrocities​

Deir Yassin Massacre​

One of the most infamous and well-documented atrocities was the Deir Yassin massacre, which occurred on April 9, 1948. The village of Deir Yassin, located near Jerusalem, was attacked by Zionist paramilitary groups, primarily the Irgun and Lehi, with support from the Haganah. The attack resulted in the deaths of at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children. The village had previously agreed to a non-aggression pact, and the massacre was carried out despite this agreement.

The massacre was particularly brutal, with the attackers using firearms and hand grenades to kill the villagers as they emptied the village house by house. The incident has been widely cited as a turning point in the conflict, as it intensified Arab resistance and contributed to the exodus of Palestinians from their homes.

Other Massacres​

While the Deir Yassin massacre is the most well-known, it was not an isolated incident. According to various studies and historical accounts, more than 30 documented massacres were committed by Zionist/Israeli forces during the 1948 war. These include:

  • Dawayma: A village in the Hebron district where an estimated 80 to 100 villagers were killed by Israeli forces in October 1948.
  • Eilaboun: In the village of Eilaboun in the northern district of Acre, 13 young men were murdered by Israeli troops after the village was surrounded at the end of October 1948.
  • Safed: In the city of Safed, a series of attacks and massacres took place in May 1948, resulting in the deaths of numerous Arab civilians.

Plan Dalet and Ethnic Cleansing​

Plan Dalet, or Plan D, was a military plan developed by the Haganah in autumn 1947 and implemented in March 1948. The plan aimed to secure territorial continuity for the future Jewish state and involved the conquest of cities and territories in Mandatory Palestine. While the intent of Plan Dalet is subject to much controversy, historians on one extreme assert that it was entirely defensive, while historians on the other extreme argue that it aimed at maximum conquest and expulsion of the Palestinians.

According to research by Benny Morris, the plan included the expulsion of civilians and the destruction of Arab towns and villages. Morris states that Zionist forces committed 24 massacres of Palestinians during the war, with the most notorious being the Deir Yassin massacre. The plan was part of a broader strategy to reduce the size of Israel's prospective large and hostile Arab minority, seen as a potential powerful fifth column.'
 
The previous generation of Palestinian resistance was explicitly secular and included several Marxist Leninist groups. The idea that the conflict is driven by “religion” just flat out isn’t true.

Read the 1988 charter as many times as it takes.
 
Read the 1988 charter as many times as it takes.
Read my post pointing out the existence of numerous explicitly secular and outright atheist Palestinian resistance groups over the last seventy plus years as many times as it takes.
 
Did you listen to it?

I thought it was clear.

Yes. Now compare his gratuitous denials with the actual words in the 1988 Hamas charter.

"Our struggle against the Jews is very real and very serious".

I don't know how you guys can deny what's right in front of you, but you all seem to find a way.


Continue with your denials. I'm out.
 
I'll leave you with this:

One of the recordings from the 7th was a recording of one of the terrorists who had got into the kibbutz of Mefalsim, a community of just over a thousand people in the south of Israel. In the midst of the attack the terrorist made a phone call back to his family in Gaza. The excitement in his voice was obvious. “Hi Dad,” the three-minute call begins. “Open my WhatsApp now and you will see all those killed. Look how many I killed with my own hands! Your son killed Jews!” The father replies, “May God protect you.” The son is exultant. “Dad, I’m talking to you from a Jewish woman’s phone. I killed her and I killed her husband. I killed ten with my own hands.” He goes on and on repeating himself. Boasting. “Dad I killed ten! Ten with my own hands! Put Mum on.”
 
Yes. Now compare his gratuitous denials with the actual words in the 1988 Hamas charter.

"Our struggle against the Jews is very real and very serious".

I don't know how you guys can deny what's right in front of you, but you all seem to find a way.


Continue with your denials. I'm out.
The pretense that the conflict is driven by religion is directly contradicted by the fact the previous generation of Palestinian resistance was explicitly secular.

No amount of denial can change that reality.
 
'The lead-up to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War was marked by significant violence and atrocities committed by both sides. The Zionist forces, including the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi, were involved in several notable incidents that have been widely documented and debated. Here is a detailed examination of the atrocities committed by Zionist forces during this period:

Background and Context​

The 1947-1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine was the first phase of the broader 1947-1949 Palestine war. This conflict began after the United Nations General Assembly adopted Resolution 181 on November 29, 1947, recommending the partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states. The Arab leadership, both in Palestine and in the surrounding Arab states, rejected the partition plan, leading to increased tensions and violence.

<Snipped due t size constraints>While the intent of Plan Dalet is subject to much controversy, historians on one extreme assert that it was entirely defensive, while historians on the other extreme argue that it aimed at maximum conquest and expulsion of the Palestinians.

According to research by Benny Morris, the plan included the expulsion of civilians and the destruction of Arab towns and villages. Morris states that Zionist forces committed 24 massacres of Palestinians during the war, with the most notorious being the Deir Yassin massacre. The plan was part of a broader strategy to reduce the size of Israel's prospective large and hostile Arab minority, seen as a potential powerful fifth column.'

Speaking of ethnic cleansing....

Didn't the Jordanians brag abut Jerusalem being "Jew free" after they occupied the West Bank and emptied the Jewish quarter in Jerusalem?

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Clauses in the 3 April 1949 Armistice Agreements specified that Israelis would have access to the religious sites in East Jerusalem. However, Jordan refused to implement this clause, arguing that Israel's refusal to permit the return of Palestinians to their homes in West Jerusalem voided that clause in the agreement.[46] Tourists entering East Jerusalem had to present baptismal certificates or other proof they were not Jewish.[47][48][49]

The special committee that was to make arrangements for visits to holy places was never formed and Israelis, irrespective of religion, were barred from entering the Old City and other holy sites.[50] Significant parts of the Jewish Quarter, much of it severely damaged in the war, together with synagogues such as the Hurva Synagogue, which had also been used as a military base in the conflict, were destroyed.[51][52] It was said that some gravestones from the Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives had been used for construction, paving roads and to build latrines for a nearby Jordanian army barracks.[53] The Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of East Jerusalem.[54] Mark Tessler cites John Oesterreicher as writing that during Jordanian rule, "34 out of the Old City's 35 synagogues were dynamited. Some were turned into stables, others into chicken coops."[55] "

 
I'll leave you with this:

One of the recordings from the 7th was a recording of one of the terrorists who had got into the kibbutz of Mefalsim, a community of just over a thousand people in the south of Israel. In the midst of the attack the terrorist made a phone call back to his family in Gaza. The excitement in his voice was obvious. “Hi Dad,” the three-minute call begins. “Open my WhatsApp now and you will see all those killed. Look how many I killed with my own hands! Your son killed Jews!” The father replies, “May God protect you.” The son is exultant. “Dad, I’m talking to you from a Jewish woman’s phone. I killed her and I killed her husband. I killed ten with my own hands.” He goes on and on repeating himself. Boasting. “Dad I killed ten! Ten with my own hands! Put Mum on.”

This was explained to you in another thread using Holocaust victims views, you never responded to it. Colour me shocked!! :rolleyes:
 
Post #43 refers to Muslim ethnic cleansing of Jews. You never responded to it. Colour me shocked!! :rolleyes:

And?

I replied to their post because they are playing the same game of willful ignorance in another thread about the very same thing.

Is it somehow compulsory to respond to your garbage? No, so get over it.
 
Who started the colonizing?
Not who you think that's for sure.
Jewish people being incapable of mass rape and other atrocities is, of course, a function of your ethno-supremacy.
Opposing your antisemitic accusations does not mean one says a person who happens to be Jewish is different from other people in his capability to do good or bad. This nonsense is yet another demonstration of your classic antisemitism and racist mentality.
 

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