"The Innocence of Muslims"

[kacie]

The low budget film "The innocence of Muslims" has caused an uproar through the Muslim world. The movie was an insult to the Prophet Mohammed, and deeply offended many muslims. As a result several people have been killed. But at the same time many muslims have condemned the violence and said this does not represent them or their faith.

While I encourage peaceful protesting I am horrified by what has happened. Innocent people have been murdered just because they are American. Libyans are labelled terrorists just because of a group of people involved in the attack. Some muslims think all Americans made this film, while some Americans think some behaviour in the Middle East represents all Muslims.

When will we stop labelling and blaming entire groups of people?

What are peoples thoughts on this issue? How can we mend our relationship with different cultures and religions? What are your ideas for creating peace?

 

[NoC_T]

When will we stop labelling and blaming entire groups of people?

When politics is no more.

 

[lizzie]

When politics is no more.

And when there is no more religion, no color variety, no difference of thought or manner, or iow, when the world is mindless boring vanilla.

 

[NoC_T]

And when there is no more religion, no color variety, no difference of thought or manner, or iow, when the world is mindless boring vanilla.

Same difference, if you're a fundamentalist. :lol:

 

[mbig]

I'd like to know what Muslims are going to do about it. It's their image.
ie, the 57 Nation OIC.
(the same OIC that gave Matahir Mohammed's "Jews run the world" remark a Standing Ovation.)

Will they meet and agree on ways to stop this, or are they of the opinion that 'Insulting Islam' IS an offense?
They unfortunately are and have proposed int'l law making it an offense as it Already is in many of their countries.
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[kacie]

It seems like a never-ending cycle. People criticize religion for it's violence, and then religious groups respond with more violence.

 

[mbig]

It seems like a never-ending cycle. People criticize religion for it's violence, and then religious groups respond with more violence.

You dropped the Correct "Islamic Religious groups" and instead used the nondescript/PC "religious groups".

ie, Jews are insulted Every Day on State Run Hypocritical Islamic country TV/Newspapers.
Nothing happens.
Welcome to DP.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

How can we mend our relationship with different cultures and religions?

As soon as people stop pretending everyone else thinks exactly like they do. There are however, cultures and religions that do not want relationships with us, regardless.

What are your ideas for creating peace?

For cultures/religions that are receptive to us? Mutual understanding and partnership.
For cultures/religions that are not receptive to us? Threat of overwhelming force. Doesn't mean we have to act upon it...but simply as a deterrent.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Honestly mate, if you're going to post that hateful bastard Pat Condell just don't come to the party.

I remember wa back when, when he used to be funny.

Now he's just a hateful xenophobic piece of amphibian ****.

 

[mbig]

Honestly mate, if you're going to post that hateful bastard Pat Condell just don't come to the party.

I remember wa back when, when he used to be funny.

Now he's just a hateful xenophobic piece of amphibian ****.

Let me get this straight.
You're suggesting I don't even post in the string.. while you couldn't respond to Either of my Two post's Text, nor had time to watch the video.

WHO shoudn't "come to the party"?

 

[kacie]

Thank you for welcoming me.

Religious violence is not limited to just muslims though. I think it is generally easier to blast someone (or yourself) into oblivion if you believe there is an afterlife. There are even Buddhists extremists have committed violent atrocities (Attacks on muslims in burma, burning catholic churches).
I would argue that secular countries are less violent overall.

 

[armor99]

The thing that I think some are forgetting.... is that a vast majority of the middle east does not have, or watch Youtube videos. I would be willing to wager that 90+% of all of those that committed some act of violence have never even seen this footage. So why are they outraged? Because their Imam's in their mosques are telling them to be. As far as I am concerned, any "holy man" does not tell their congregation to go out into the streets and commit acts of violence against anyone.... for any reason. You want to hit the right targets and stop this sort of thing? Let it be known throughout the middle east, that any "holy man" caught inciting violence against the US or it's interests will now have enemy combatant status (as they rightly should). And that they, and their buildings will no longer be granted any such special status.

So the next time a "holy man" tells his congregation to go and kill or hurt americans.... that person has his breathing rights revoked.... and the building he did it in.... is demolished.... Rinse... and repeat.

I know that must sound cruel.... but is it really? Is it somehow unjustified to take out one person that directly leads to pain and suffering of so many others? I do not think so. I believe that many of the Imams over in the middle east are hiding behind their shield of "religion". I view what they are doing as no different than stockpiling weapons in a mosque. And once you do that..... you are no longer a "holy man", and your mosque is just another ordinary building without any special status.

 

[the_recruit]

Thank you for welcoming me.

Religious violence is not limited to just muslims though. I think it is generally easier to blast someone (or yourself) into oblivion if you believe there is an afterlife. There are even Buddhists extremists have committed violent atrocities (Attacks on muslims in burma, burning catholic churches).
I would argue that secular countries are less violent overall.

I doubt there's any evidence to support that and I find such a statement rather ironic considering the very point of your op is to criticize baseless smearing of entire religious groups.

 

[Gary]

The low budget film "The innocence of Muslims" has caused an uproar through the Muslim world. The movie was an insult to the Prophet Mohammed, and deeply offended many muslims. As a result several people have been killed. But at the same time many muslims have condemned the violence and said this does not represent them or their faith.

While I encourage peaceful protesting I am horrified by what has happened. Innocent people have been murdered just because they are American. Libyans are labelled terrorists just because of a group of people involved in the attack. Some muslims think all Americans made this film, while some Americans think some behaviour in the Middle East represents all Muslims.

When will we stop labelling and blaming entire groups of people?

What are peoples thoughts on this issue? How can we mend our relationship with different cultures and religions? What are your ideas for creating peace?

Maybe things like the internet or globalization have contributed to poor behavior, but it's just common sense to respect the culture of a society when you are present, whether you agree with it or not. Even when you are a majority, it's common sense to respect a characteristic like race or religion that another person may not have much choice in. A person's race should be a no brainer, but even someone's religion can be determined by a person's society and not an individual choice. You would think issues about gender would be ridiculous, because we all came from both genders and have both genders in our children, but they exist in some societies.

Don't worry your soul about peace, Sister!

 

[lizzie]

When will we stop labelling and blaming entire groups of people?

What are peoples thoughts on this issue? How can we mend our relationship with different cultures and religions? What are your ideas for creating peace?

We can mend it by minding our own business, and by them minding their own as well. Different cultures will always clash, unless there is mutual respect for differences. This does not mean we should feel obligated to change ours, nor them, theirs. It does mean that we should remain dedicated to our principles of freedom, without fear.

 

[kacie]

Maybe things like the internet or globalization have contributed to poor behavior, but it's just common sense to respect the culture of a society when you are present, whether you agree with it or not. QUOTE]

I would agree with that. And globalization can go the other way aswell... with the spread of information (video, twitter, facebook, group pages) we now see people as individuals within a state rather than have the states views represent a population. With the internet oppressed inviduals have a window to the outside world.

 

[Gary]

Maybe things like the internet or globalization have contributed to poor behavior, but it's just common sense to respect the culture of a society when you are present, whether you agree with it or not.

I would agree with that. And globalization can go the other way aswell... with the spread of information (video, twitter, facebook, group pages) we now see people as individuals within a state rather than have the states views represent a population. With the internet oppressed inviduals have a window to the outside world.

Welcome aboard, kacie!

Hopefully, the internet will allow people the freedom to communicate.

There is a certain irony about killing that particular ambassador. From what I gather, he spent a large portion of his life with the Muslims and just tried to do good.

We all have concepts on groups, but until we can view people as individuals, we're going to still be savages, no matter what group we belong to.

 

[Rainman05]

Pat Condell rocks.

I am not even offended as a Christian when he discusses christianity and insults them, because I know he only talks about the moronic christians out there and the extremists... not the people like me.

The problem with overly touchy feely individuals who consider everything to be a hate crime or hate speech or stuff like that is that they don't get what Pat is saying... and flee at the first sign of a non-PC word used.

 

[Medusa]

muslims are innocent ,who are not innocent are islamists!!

 

[NoC_T]

In the role of scapegoat, they're scarce less handy a tool as the Jooooooooz. Only, being that there's 1.6 billion of them, there's room to castigate, without the risk of appearing sensationalist.

In large part, I blame the media. Scumbags that they are.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

One thought however....if we are not to group the people of this "peaceful" religion together, where is the outrage for the violence? Where are the "Americanized" Islamists on CNN denouncing the acts of terror? Where are the foreign groups of Islamists who condemn the terror camps? Where are the "worldly viewed" Islamists condemning the nightly rockets fired into Israel from Palestinian countries?

 

[Wake]

...hey, I've got an idea. Since Muslims/Islam can't be critiqued, let's do the same for every other religious person/religion out there. What do you think?

:lamo

 

[lizzie]

...hey, I've got an idea. Since Muslims/Islam can't be critiqued, let's do the same for every other religious person/religion out there. What do you think?

:lamo

I think that means we would have alot of peeps here who were screwed, and would have little to discuss.

 

[Goshin]

The low budget film "The innocence of Muslims" has caused an uproar through the Muslim world. The movie was an insult to the Prophet Mohammed, and deeply offended many muslims. As a result several people have been killed. But at the same time many muslims have condemned the violence and said this does not represent them or their faith.

While I encourage peaceful protesting I am horrified by what has happened. Innocent people have been murdered just because they are American. Libyans are labelled terrorists just because of a group of people involved in the attack. Some muslims think all Americans made this film, while some Americans think some behaviour in the Middle East represents all Muslims.

When will we stop labelling and blaming entire groups of people?

What are peoples thoughts on this issue? How can we mend our relationship with different cultures and religions? What are your ideas for creating peace?

Hardly anyone has seen this film. Nobody cares about it here. Blaming 315 million people for the actions of one or two is insane, especially when the "action" was simply making a crappy short film.


I haven't seen it, don't plan to, not interested.


I doubt that much of the violence lately is over the film really either. There is strong evidence that it was planned terrorist activity rather than spontaneous protest.

Get over it. People in this culture insult my religion daily, and I don't go around killing people and burning things over it.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

I doubt that much of the violence lately is over the film really either.

Actually. Now even Hillary is saying it was Al Qaida.

The Hack in Chief doubles down, and helps our enemies topple their countries in their cute little "Arab Spring" in the hopes his cozying up to them will make them back off. In exchange, not only do they not back off, but now we have new enemies, and dead Americans in Libya. So the Hack in Chief gets on his knees and goes to the U.N. still blaming this stupid little YouTube video for his own incompetence and grovels for forgiveness.

But don't worry. He'll make sure those government checks will still be in the mail.