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Your ignorance in this matter is noted, gentlemen. The Immaculate Conception does not refer to Mary's pregnancy, but to Mary's mother's pregnancy. It refers to Mary's having been conceived without original sin. Remember this thread and your posts next time the smart aleck in you rises.
Well LM, I can tell ya what the Bible has to say about it...
“Well then, sin entered the world through one man, and through sin death, and thus death has spread through the whole human race because everyone has sinned.” Romans 5:12
The Bible tells us that in accord with the requirement of the Mosaic Law, 40 days after Jesus’ birth Mary offered at the temple in Jerusalem a sin offering for purification from uncleanness so she, too, had inherited sin and imperfection from Adam...Luke 2:22-24; Leviticus 12:1-8....
Oh gosh, I automatically just reached for my long gone Catholic rosary beads and started chanting: "Hail Mary full of grace...."
Decades later. That's what brainwashing at an early age does to you. But I'm recovering.
Here you go. A link to catholic.com for others not familiar with Catholic dogma
https://www.catholic.com/tract/immaculate-conception-and-assumption
Mary served as an incubator, nothing more...
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1982121?q=why+a+virgin+birth&p=sen
So if Mary was free from "Original Sin", did that mean she didn't experience pain during childbirth? After all, that was one of the 'punishments' for the Eve's 'Original Sin' was it not?
Or is that not part of your beliefs, Elvira? Asking sincerely here as I'm not all that familiar with JW beliefs.
first thing that popped up when i clicked the link was a donation area. I was 1/2 way to my wallet to get a c/c then noticed i was running low on wine. Tough call
That is my understanding, Q...if Mary had been free of sin, she would not have felt the pangs of childbirth...now, as a general rule, the imperfect functioning of the body would bring pain, as Genesis 3:16 brings out...I do not believe in immaculate conception because of the scriptures I cited earlier...Mary was born imperfect/sinful, just as everyone else has been since Cain and Abel...
Hahahah! *splutter!!!!*
In Australia, we have Catholic Clubs full of poker machines, selling wine, beer and... spirits.
Fair to say, yes...but he had to be 100% human male for this reason...
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1982122
Over here in the U.S. we have another major sex abuse scandal and on going cover up in Pennsylvania and Boston all over the news.
Jesus had to be 100% human? With the Holy Spirit (God) conceiving the child in the womb? Nope. God was his father. Mary, a human, his mother.
We're just completing a Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse which has taken several years as so many people came forward with their stories of abuse. Really heartbreaking stuff.
We've also got Cardinal George Pell- a big wig with the Vatican.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ell-removed-from-inner-circle-by-pope-francis
Thankfully the old bastard is being prosecuted at last.
So Jesus was half-human/half God then according to your beliefs?
Fair to to say we don't know what the DNA would reveal?
So Jesus was half-human/half God then according to your beliefs?
Jesus had to be 100% human? With the Holy Spirit (God) conceiving the child in the womb? Nope. God was his father. Mary, a human, his mother.
It's a shame the Shroud of Turin is a fake, otherwise some DNA samples would have been possible?
(If Jesus actually existed in real life rather than scripture/stories- but I'm suspending my lack of belief for this thread.)
Almost sounds quasi-centaurish.
Who do you think Adam's father was...Jehovah God...one perfect human life for another perfect human life...
Smarty pants...I had to look that one up...:2razz:
Almost sounds quasi-centaurish.
The Holy Spirit who was instrumental in the conception was no human.
What did the scripture say? Do you know?
Don't feel to badly...I got booted from my own Lutheran confirmation. took a recess, dad bribed me a little to keep mom happy, and I got a do-over and 'took one for the gipper' to keep the family peace.Yes, but supposedly YHWH made men in his own image. And women too. A little awkward. When we were little, my twin sister and I used to think God was actually a set of brother and sister twins like we were, because we were both supposedly made in God's image. She was the first of us to ask "if God was male, did he have a penis? And if he did, what did he use it for?" It cracked me up, then made me go hmmmm... as a kid. Damn her, she tricked me into asking that question of one of the nuns in school and I was made to sit in the dunce's corner for a day. :mrgreen:
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