thats what i thought you got nothing honest, logical or even true and rational to add
1.) LMAO 100% false your example is in no way like consenting to sex, its illogical and not a parallel in any reality based way what so ever.
fact remains, consenting to sex is not consenting to giving birth.
if you disagree PLEASE feel free to provide to factually prove otherwise. Id love to read it.
2.) abortion does exist and if it was banned tomorrow guess what, nothing would be fixed, banning abortions would just infringe on rights of the woman :shrug:
weird, why didnt you give me and factually provable evidence of scientific and moral murder?????
Probably because I have posted that argument before, debating with you in fact, if I remember correctly. But then maybe it was someone else.
So, the rights of the woman trump the rights of her child? When does the child "receive" it's right to life?
Ok, here we go again.
Upon conception, the egg is fertilized by the sperm and then it splits.
Are the cells after the split alive -- Yes, scientifically provable, the take in oxygen and give off carbon dioxide (proving living animal not living plant), yes. Do they take in nutrients and give off waste products, yes. Do they reproduce, yes. This is proof of life necessary and beyond to identify live cells from dead ones.
Are the cells "part" of the mother -- No, again scientifically provable, see DNA next.
Do the cells contain the DNA of a unique individual, different from all other individual humans -- Yes, scientifically provable, science can even identify the sex of the individual the cells belong to. DNA testing would show a unique, provable pattern that can be used to verify a individuals identity, even in legal cases.
Are the cells the result of cancer or other disease-- No, scientifically provable.
So, the cells are:
1. Normal human cells
2. Alive
3. Identifiable genetically as a unique human individual
4. If all cells in an individuals body die or are killed, that individual is dead.
Conclusion, those cells, even if only two of them, are scientifically verifiable as a unique living human, an individual. If a unique living human is killed by the actions of a person(s), that act is often called "murder" when no legal or moral justification, such as self defense/defense of others, is present.
Not killing another person without just cause is an accepted moral prerogative in all human societies. Definition of "just cause" is often different, but not the moral acceptance of "thou shall not kill".
A person, at least an adult one, is always responsible for their own actions. All actions, performed voluntarily can be said to be consented to by the individual performing them. Any person, performing any act, including sex, accepts the risks involved and therefore accepts the outcome of the action, whether desirable or not. If someone does not want to accept a possible outcome, then they can choose to not do the act. If the consent to the act, then they consent to the outcome. This applies to all actions done by human beings, whether it is sticking a hand in a fire or having sex or driving drunk. It either applies to all actions or none.