The Higgs boson does exist!

[UtahBill]

It depends on the angels' spin. If that have even spin, as many as 1,000,000 angels can dance on the same head. But angels' with odd spins must dance on separate heads.

if they don't?

 

[EagleAye]

if they don't?

They have to moonwalk.

 

[The Mark]

They have to moonwalk.

That is a form of dance though, isn't it? Kinda?

 

[EagleAye]

That is a form of dance though, isn't it? Kinda?

Yeah, I think so. Perhaps more traditional angels might polka?

 

[MMC]

The Higgs field has been proposed as the energy of the vacuum from which all else came. In the first instant of time, it had the featureless symmetry of an undifferentiated energy that was all the universe was. The Higgs field is a "nonthermal" field, a field whose energy does not decrease as the universe expands. The higher the energy density, the faster the universe expands. So the large Higgs field is postulated as the cause of inflation.

All massive particles that interact or pass through the Higgs field acquire a new energy in the form of mass. If this mass is proportional to gravity, then it's possible that the Higgs field could be the energy source for gravity through the expansion of zero vacuum energy. The expansion of the universe is causing the effects of gravity on particles with mass.

How does this come about with light then and light within the Higgs Bosun Field? Light has particles yet no mass.

 

[MMC]

The Higgs field has been proposed as the energy of the vacuum from which all else came. In the first instant of time, it had the featureless symmetry of an undifferentiated energy that was all the universe was. The Higgs field is a "nonthermal" field, a field whose energy does not decrease as the universe expands. The higher the energy density, the faster the universe expands. So the large Higgs field is postulated as the cause of inflation.

All massive particles that interact or pass through the Higgs field acquire a new energy in the form of mass. If this mass is proportional to gravity, then it's possible that the Higgs field could be the energy source for gravity through the expansion of zero vacuum energy. The expansion of the universe is causing the effects of gravity on particles with mass.

Here lets take a look at that.

 

[MMC]

Me too. Where's Michio Kaku? He usually explains things very well. Although Grip is doing a pretty good job of explaining so far.

Here ya go brutha.

 

[MMC]

CERN's Take on the Celebration.

 

[MMC]

Science vs GOD: It's the Collapse of Physics as We Know It. Michio Kaku.

 

[EagleAye]

Here ya go brutha.

Thanks much, Dude.

I think this was pretty helpful too:



So after watching that, I wonder how Tachyons would figure into this. Any ideas out there?

 

[grip]

How does this come about with light then and light within the Higgs Bosun Field? Light has particles yet no mass.

I only have a rudimentary understanding of particle physics and no formal education. Math is actually my worse subject and like Goshin and EA most of the details cause my head to go mush. But I think people with less detailed info sometimes come up with ideas out of the box because they don't know better.

I didn't say light interacted with the Higgs field or had mass and that photons were only a force carrier for electromagnetic waves. The theory is not new or my own by any means but extrapolated from other sources including wiki.

Zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may have; it is the energy of its ground state.
In quantum theory, zero-point energy is a minimum energy below which a thermodynamic system can never go. Thus, according to the standard quantum-theoretic viewpoint, none of this energy can be withdrawn without altering the system to a different form in which the system has a lower than zero-point energy.

Vacuum energy is the zero-point energy of all the fields in space, which in the Standard Model includes the electromagnetic field, other gauge fields, fermionic fields, and the Higgs field. It is the energy of the vacuum, which in quantum field theory is defined not as empty space but as the ground state of the fields. In cosmology, the vacuum energy is one possible explanation for the cosmological constant.

The cosmological constant has the same effect as an intrinsic energy density of the vacuum, the critical density changes with cosmological time, but the energy density due to the cosmological constant remains unchanged throughout the history of the universe.

A positive vacuum energy density resulting from a cosmological constant implies a negative pressure, and vice versa. If the energy density is positive, the associated negative pressure will drive an accelerated expansion of empty space.

Why doesn't the zero-point energy density of the vacuum change with changes in the volume of the universe? And related to that, why doesn't the large constant zero-point energy density of the vacuum cause a large cosmological constant? What cancels it out?

In cosmology, the zero-point energy offers an intriguing possibility for explaining the speculative positive values of the proposed cosmological constant. In brief, if the energy is "really there", then it should exert a gravitational force. In general relativity, mass and energy are equivalent; both produce a gravitational field. One obvious difficulty with this association is that the zero-point energy of the vacuum is absurdly large. Naively, it is infinite, because it includes the energy of waves with arbitrarily short wavelengths. But since only differences in energy are physically measurable, the infinity can be removed by renormalization. In all practical calculations, this is how the infinity is handled. It is also arguable that undiscovered physics relevant at the Planck scale reduces or eliminates the energy of waves shorter than the Planck length, making the total zero-point energy finite.

What all the above says too me in summary laymen terms is that the universe consist of an undetermined and unmeasurable energy field, which never loses intensity. And that it's possibly an infinite and unobservable dimension that is feeding the observable, 4 dimensional time/space with the necessary force to expand evenly and supporting the rest of the universes energy needs through, mass, thermo, electromagnetic, gravitational, etc. Of course that would be a string theory that ties all other forces together in one neat package that originate from a prime force.

 

[MMC]

I only have a rudimentary understanding of particle physics and no formal education. Math is actually my worse subject and like Goshin and EA most of the details cause my head to go mush. But I think people with less detailed info sometimes come up with ideas out of the box because they don't know better.

I didn't say light interacted with the Higgs field or had mass and that photons were only a force carrier for electromagnetic waves. The theory is not new or my own by any means but extrapolated from other sources including wiki.

Zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may have; it is the energy of its ground state.
In quantum theory, zero-point energy is a minimum energy below which a thermodynamic system can never go. Thus, according to the standard quantum-theoretic viewpoint, none of this energy can be withdrawn without altering the system to a different form in which the system has a lower than zero-point energy.

Vacuum energy is the zero-point energy of all the fields in space, which in the Standard Model includes the electromagnetic field, other gauge fields, fermionic fields, and the Higgs field. It is the energy of the vacuum, which in quantum field theory is defined not as empty space but as the ground state of the fields. In cosmology, the vacuum energy is one possible explanation for the cosmological constant.

The cosmological constant has the same effect as an intrinsic energy density of the vacuum, the critical density changes with cosmological time, but the energy density due to the cosmological constant remains unchanged throughout the history of the universe.

A positive vacuum energy density resulting from a cosmological constant implies a negative pressure, and vice versa. If the energy density is positive, the associated negative pressure will drive an accelerated expansion of empty space.

Why doesn't the zero-point energy density of the vacuum change with changes in the volume of the universe? And related to that, why doesn't the large constant zero-point energy density of the vacuum cause a large cosmological constant? What cancels it out?

In cosmology, the zero-point energy offers an intriguing possibility for explaining the speculative positive values of the proposed cosmological constant. In brief, if the energy is "really there", then it should exert a gravitational force. In general relativity, mass and energy are equivalent; both produce a gravitational field. One obvious difficulty with this association is that the zero-point energy of the vacuum is absurdly large. Naively, it is infinite, because it includes the energy of waves with arbitrarily short wavelengths. But since only differences in energy are physically measurable, the infinity can be removed by renormalization. In all practical calculations, this is how the infinity is handled. It is also arguable that undiscovered physics relevant at the Planck scale reduces or eliminates the energy of waves shorter than the Planck length, making the total zero-point energy finite.

What all the above says too me in summary laymen terms is that the universe consist of an undetermined and unmeasurable energy field, which never loses intensity. And that it's possibly an infinite and unobservable dimension that is feeding the observable, 4 dimensional time/space with the necessary force to expand evenly and supporting the rest of the universes energy needs through, mass, thermo, electromagnetic, gravitational, etc. Of course that would be a string theory that ties all other forces together in one neat package that originate from a prime force.

I find it quite interesting that the Hindus have been talking about other dimensions and planes within the Journey of Soul for thousands of years. The reason I had brought up light. Is say they just happen to pierce the fabricate of space like they say they are working on. Look behind what they call Dark Matter, yet find that there is some sort of light source which is still firing off from atoms. Even tho the light particles have no mass. Where then does that lead the theory?

 

[EagleAye]

What I get from the explanation of the Higgs field is that particles are affected more or less by it, thus forming various quarks and other particles. Obviously photons and neutrinos are unaffected. But if a tachyon is possible (a theorized particle moving faster than light), then how would this particle work with the Higgs field?

 

[grip]

What I get from the explanation of the Higgs field is that particles are affected more or less by it, thus forming various quarks and other particles. Obviously photons and neutrinos are unaffected. But if a tachyon is possible (a theorized particle moving faster than light), then how would this particle work with the Higgs field?

I think some particles like photons and neutrinos have no interaction with the Higgs field because they have no directional length. They're not 3 dimensional, leaving me to believe that part of them is existing in our observable universe, while part of their energy is interacting with an unknown energy field. Just as the Higgs field gives mass to heavier particles like a marble being dragged through molasses, photons, neutrinos are hauling ass thru space with no impediment, much like a proposed tachyon.

 

[MMC]

Well in the CERN video they did say they still have to determine if it is the Standard Higgs Bosun.

Still like with a Black hole they say light cannot escape it. Yet this does not mean any light is extinguished within a black hole either.

 

[EagleAye]

I think some particles like photons and neutrinos have no interaction with the Higgs field because they have no directional length. They're not 3 dimensional, leaving me to believe that part of them is existing in our observable universe, while part of their energy is interacting with an unknown energy field. Just as the Higgs field gives mass to heavier particles like a marble being dragged through molasses, photons, neutrinos are hauling ass thru space with no impediment, much like a proposed tachyon.

But if neutrinos are unaffected, thus moving at the speed of light, something special is happening with a tachyon, because it is moving faster than the speed of light. Of course, tachyons are only theorized, not proven yet. So of course, I'm wildly speculating. The Higgs field would have to have the opposite influence on a tachyon, accelerating it rather than trapping it in cosmological molasses. So while most particles would have a positive value in relation to the Higgs field, a tachyon would have to have a negative value in that property box. Intriguing, yes?

 

[grip]

But if neutrinos are unaffected, thus moving at the speed of light, something special is happening with a tachyon, because it is moving faster than the speed of light. Of course, tachyons are only theorized, not proven yet. So of course, I'm wildly speculating. The Higgs field would have to have the opposite influence on a tachyon, accelerating it rather than trapping it in cosmological molasses. So while most particles would have a positive value in relation to the Higgs field, a tachyon would have to have a negative value in that property box. Intriguing, yes?

We don't know enough about neutrinos yet to completely classify them. They were called the "ghost particle" and believed to be non-zero mass because they could pass through a 1000 miles of lead or the earth without interacting. Now it's believed theoretically that neutrino oscillation causes a lepton mass. The problem with this is that the neutrino masses are implausibly smaller than the rest of the known particles (at least 500,000 times smaller than the mass of an electron). The question of how neutrino masses arise has not been answered conclusively. In the Standard Model of particle physics, fermions only have mass because of interactions with the Higgs field.

Neutrinos and quantum entanglement are some of the stranger items that don't fit into current theories very well, more less a theoretical tachyon. Quantum entanglement breaks the barriers of the speed of light by particle spin in opposite directions connected over great distances occurring simultaneously. Tachyonic particle as you describe would violate the laws of causality by something occurring before it happens. Meaning you would arrive at one location before you actually left the other. Because a tachyon always moves faster than light, we cannot see it approaching. After a tachyon has passed nearby, we would be able to see two images of it, appearing and departing in opposite directions. Kind of like a Jet going supersonic you would see it pass before you heard the boom.

A tachyonic field, or simply tachyon, is a quantum field with an imaginary mass. In its uncondensed phase, the Higgs field has a negative mass squared, and is therefore a tachyon. Because a tachyon's squared mass is negative, it formally has an imaginary mass. In the case of a tachyon the real part of the mass is zero, and hence no concept of a particle can be attributed to it. Even for tachyonic quantum fields, the field operators at space-like separated points still commute (or anticommute), thus preserving the principle of causality. For closely related reasons, the maximum velocity of signals sent with a tachyonic field is strictly bounded from above by the speed of light. Therefore information never moves faster than light regardless of the presence or absence of tachyonic fields.

String theory states that what we see as "particles" (electrons, photons, gravitons and so forth) are actually different vibrational states of the same underlying string. The mass of the particle can be deduced from the vibrations which the string exhibits; roughly speaking, the mass depends upon the "note" which the string sounds. Tachyons frequently appear in the spectrum of permissible string states, in the sense that some states have negative mass-squared, and therefore imaginary mass.

Basically, I believe nothing literally travels faster than time, causality or light. But a string that has particles excited on different ends of a strand may appear to communicate instantaneously, thereby negating the effect of space/time distance or speed of communication.

 

[grip]

I find it quite interesting that the Hindus have been talking about other dimensions and planes within the Journey of Soul for thousands of years. The reason I had brought up light. Is say they just happen to pierce the fabricate of space like they say they are working on. Look behind what they call Dark Matter, yet find that there is some sort of light source which is still firing off from atoms. Even tho the light particles have no mass. Where then does that lead the theory?

There is a thermal radiation filling the observable universe almost uniformly and shows a faint background glow, almost exactly the same in all directions. They think it's cosmic background radiation leftover from the Big Bang when the universe was smaller and much hotter. After the photon decoupling phase photons have been propagating ever since, though growing fainter and less energetic, since the expansion of space causes their wavelength to increase over time.

There is something as far as I'm concerned philosophically very interesting about light. Of all the human senses the amount of information and ability gained through sight seems to be the greatest. I can definitely see the fascination and implications it's had historically in human thought.

 

[Matt Foley]

There is a thermal radiation filling the observable universe almost uniformly and shows a faint background glow, almost exactly the same in all directions. They think it's cosmic background radiation leftover from the Big Bang when the universe was smaller and much hotter. After the photon decoupling phase photons have been propagating ever since, though growing fainter and less energetic, since the expansion of space causes their wavelength to increase over time.

There is something as far as I'm concerned philosophically very interesting about light. Of all the human senses the amount of information and ability gained through sight seems to be the greatest. I can definitely see the fascination and implications it's had historically in human thought.

That has to be it it must be a big bang, it couldn't possibly be because all matter radiates "thermal radiation", and matter is everywhere in all directions.

 

[rhinefire]

I jusr read a piece that states clearly depending on what they determine in their analysis this event may mean nothing as in zero. Beats me why they would spend a billion bucks to end up with an empty shoe.

 

[grip]

That has to be it it must be a big bang, it couldn't possibly be because all matter radiates "thermal radiation", and matter is everywhere in all directions.

They don't say that cosmic background radiation is related to any visible matter, nor did I. It's a faint afterglow left over by the super-hot plasma/photon soup of the early universe. It's kind of funny calling something the Big Bang when it probably made no noise. More like the Big Blowup.

An infinite dimension with endless space and no matter collapses into a single point of infinite gravity and then instantaneously begins to continuously re-expand into a limited space full of new particles connected by energy strands forming stars, galaxy's and planets.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

They don't say that cosmic background radiation is related to any visible matter, nor did I. It's a faint afterglow left over by the super-hot plasma/photon soup of the early universe. It's kind of funny calling something the Big Bang when it probably made no noise. More like the Big Blowup.

An infinite dimension with endless space and no matter collapses into a single point of infinite gravity and then instantaneously begins to continuously re-expand into a limited space full of new particles connected by energy strands forming stars, galaxy's and planets.

Big Inflation

 

[Matt Foley]

They don't say that cosmic background radiation is related to any visible matter, nor did I. It's a faint afterglow left over by the super-hot plasma/photon soup of the early universe. It's kind of funny calling something the Big Bang when it probably made no noise. More like the Big Blowup.

An infinite dimension with endless space and no matter collapses into a single point of infinite gravity and then instantaneously begins to continuously re-expand into a limited space full of new particles connected by energy strands forming stars, galaxy's and planets.

Of course it has to be, cause "they don't say it's visible matter"

 

[Deuce]

That has to be it it must be a big bang, it couldn't possibly be because all matter radiates "thermal radiation", and matter is everywhere in all directions.

Look, you don't have the math and physics background to understand this. This stuff is a lot more complicated than you think, and it's better-supported than you think. All matter doesn't radiate at this wavelength, and the pattern is not consistent with that idea at all.

So, no, it is definitely not that thing you said. The glow is not associated with any observable matter. It was even predicted before it was observed.

 

[Aberration]

Look, you don't have the math and physics background to understand this. This stuff is a lot more complicated than you think, and it's better-supported than you think. All matter doesn't radiate at this wavelength, and the pattern is not consistent with that idea at all.

So, no, it is definitely not that thing you said. The glow is not associated with any observable matter. It was even predicted before it was observed.

All matter above 0 Kelvin does radiate thermal energy. We have never observed matter at 0 Kelvin.