The health of the mother. [W:94]

[Your Star]

In this contentious issue, the health of the mother is usually a common ground for people to come together, and at least agree that when it comes to the health of the mother that abortion should be a option on the table.

Now, my point here is to bring to attention that the health of the mother is a factor when it comes to understanding why a woman should be able to have an abortion in the case of rape. The sad truth is that our society largely either ignores, or doesn't understand mental health issues. Valid medical issues that could be addressed with proper treatment are often left untreated, and chalked up to just "being weird", or "being crazy", and I think this is the reason why the mental health aspect of this issue is often forgotten.

Rape is a horrible thing, a very traumatic thing, and can lead to loads of mental health disorders such as PTSD, and if a pregnancy happens because of the rape, being forced to carry that pregnancy to term can exacerbate those health problems, and lead to a host of problems, which could include one attempting to commit suicide.

This is why, that if a pregnancy is caused by a rape, then a woman should have the right to have an abortion, for her mental well being, and health.

 

[Anagram]

In this contentious issue, the health of the mother is usually a common ground for people to come together, and at least agree that when it comes to the health of the mother that abortion should be a option on the table.

Now, my point here is to bring to attention that the health of the mother is a factor when it comes to understanding why a woman should be able to have an abortion in the case of rape. The sad truth is that our society largely either ignores, or doesn't understand mental health issues. Valid medical issues that could be addressed with proper treatment are often left untreated, and chalked up to just "being weird", or "being crazy", and I think this is the reason why the mental health aspect of this issue is often forgotten.

Rape is a horrible thing, a very traumatic thing, and can lead to loads of mental health disorders such as PTSD, and if a pregnancy happens because of the rape, being forced to carry that pregnancy to term can exacerbate those health problems, and lead to a host of problems, which could include one attempting to commit suicide.

This is why, that if a pregnancy is caused by a rape, then a woman should have the right to have an abortion, for her mental well being, and health.

I think many of the people who disapprove of a rape exception for abortion, only believe abortion can be moral when it comes to the life of the mother, not just the health. If that was something I believed, than the mental health of the mother would not be enough to persuade me that an abortion would be moral in the case of rape.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Rape is a horrible thing, a very traumatic thing, and can lead to loads of mental health disorders such as PTSD…

Being killed is also a horrible thing. I think most would agree that it's worse than being raped. A rape victim at least still has a chance to go on to live a worthwhile life. A murder/abortion victim doesn't have that chance at all.

In any event, having been the victim of a terrible crime is no excuse to go on and commit an even worse crime against an innocent victim who had no voluntary part in the first crime.

 

[fyrenza]

THAT would be a choice for the woman, I'd expect.

Some women?
Can see the beauty of the creation of a life,
even out of the horror and violence of a rape.

It has to be a personal decision,
with any and all help/counseling that is available, AND desired.

 

[fyrenza]

And as Bob has stated,

committing a GREATER crime -vs- offering the baby up to adoption?

Can there actually BE a "choice?"

 

[ttwtt78640]

That is an interesting word choice in your post title. Mother implies having a child, not a medical condidtion or disease to be cured.

 

[HonestJoe]

That is an interesting word choice in your post title. Mother implies having a child, not a medical condidtion or disease to be cured.

I'd suggest it implies Your Star is interested in a serious discussion about a complex issue and not in playing petty word games.

 

[fyrenza]

I sort of caught an "I'll take a BJ" twang from it ...

 

[ttwtt78640]

I'd suggest it implies Your Star is interested in a serious discussion about a complex issue and not in playing petty word games.

That is why abortion is now legal in the U.S., just like facelifts, tummy tucks and nose jobs. But, just like those other elective "medical" procedures, it is not funded by tax money and rightfully so. I am sick and tired of hearing "being denied access to" simply meaning that because one desires something that they can not (or will not) pay for, that it should be given to them free (or heavily subsidized) by the gov't, paid for by taxing the wages of others.

The use of a tiny fraction of "causes of pregnancy" or "special situations" that "require" abortions, is simply getting that camel's nose under the tent; since once one abortion "situation" can be taxpayer funded then it is a realtively simple matter to use that "precedent" to get a liberal judge to add yet another cause/situation to the "others must pay for that abortion" list of "situations".

 

[tessaesque]

Being killed is also a horrible thing. I think most would agree that it's worse than being raped. A rape victim at least still has a chance to go on to live a worthwhile life. A murder/abortion victim doesn't have that chance at all.

In any event, having been the victim of a terrible crime is no excuse to go on and commit an even worse crime against an innocent victim who had no voluntary part in the first crime.

Death is really only terrible for those left behind. Once you're dead you're completely unaware of the consequences of being dead. And if you're a fetus with no higher level consciousness, you aren't even aware you're dying.

 

[winston53660]

Death is really only terrible for those left behind. Once you're dead you're completely unaware of the consequences of being dead. And if you're a fetus with no higher level consciousness, you aren't even aware you're dying.

When I dead once on the opertating table it was really one of the most peaceful times.

 

[Tigger]

Star, you've hit on the two exceptions that I believe in related to abortion..... rape, and the immediate threat to the life of the mother. I know that a lot of people on my side of the issue disagree on these two points, but basic common sense indicates that these two issues are exceptions to the rule. I'll explain why....

For me, the rape issue isn't about the mental or physical health of the mother as much as it is about the fact that she did not have a choice in the act which created the child in the first place. A large part of my objection to abortion centers on the fact that the individuals CHOSE to engage in the act which created the child. That is where the choice properly exists, in my mind. However, in the case of rape, that choice was taken away from the woman. Therefore, while I would like her to consider other options, I do believe that abortion is a viable option SO LONG AS she is willing to file charges and fully cooperate with the police and district attorney in the prosecution of her assailant(s) if/when he/they are caught.

I have a slightly different take on the "health" issue than most people do. As I mentioned above, for me it's about the immediate threat to the life of the mother. Again this goes back to my belief that the "CHOICE" for pregnancy was made at the time the sexual act was conducted. Therefore, only a threat to the LIFE of the mother is sufficient cause to override that decision and create the opportunity to terminate the pregnancy.

One final note: I do not beleive that the Government should be paying for ANY abortions. Period.

 

[JayDubya]

Now, my point here is to bring to attention that the health of the mother is a factor when it comes to understanding why a woman should be able to have an abortion in the case of rape.

You're stretching it pretty thin, there.

Most people will agree that if a doctor has two patients, and can only save one, the doctor should save the patient he can save.


"For the sake of mental well being" is not a matter of life-saving, it is not triage - it is homicide. In this case, it is literally executing an innocent for the crime his or her father committed, and that is unconscionable.


Per usual, Bob hit the nail on the head...

 

[DemonMyst]

I see a lot of men passing judgement about an issue they will never actually have to face.. Which to me, makes them somewhat unqualified to even answer the question.. It would be like condemning someone for going to war, knowing you will never actually have face going to war..

With the exception of Prison, I can't think of a single rape case where a man was the victim.. Again, we shouldn't pass judgements on something that we know nothing about..

Since conservatives are big on cutting spending on entitlements.. Like healthcare, SS, food stamps, and other social programs.. Bringing an unwanted baby into the world and adding to the burdon that republicans despise.. Perhaps abortion is the only humane option.. There is an estimated 1.3 million abortions each year in the U.S. alone.. I doubt you will find adoptive parents for all of them.. So the rest are going to have to go and grow up somewhere.. Be it foster homes, Ophanage, or somewhere else.. Which will require government funding.. Until republicans are willing to discuss what will happen to these children after they are born, then they don't have much right saying anything about what happens before.. Killing them before or after birth is no different.. They are still dead..

I do not think that abortion should be used as a form of birth control.. But in the case rape or incest, I believe the women should choose.. If the mother's life is threatened then it is a no brainer.. Save the mother.. Baby can't survive without mother to begin with.. If the baby is of a viable age, then yes, make all attempts to save the baby..

 

[JayDubya]

I see a lot of men passing judgement about an issue they will never actually have to face.. Which to me, makes them somewhat unqualified to even answer the question.

This stated opinion is nakedly sexist.

 

[joko104]

In this contentious issue, the health of the mother is usually a common ground for people to come together, and at least agree that when it comes to the health of the mother that abortion should be a option on the table.

Now, my point here is to bring to attention that the health of the mother is a factor when it comes to understanding why a woman should be able to have an abortion in the case of rape. The sad truth is that our society largely either ignores, or doesn't understand mental health issues. Valid medical issues that could be addressed with proper treatment are often left untreated, and chalked up to just "being weird", or "being crazy", and I think this is the reason why the mental health aspect of this issue is often forgotten.

Rape is a horrible thing, a very traumatic thing, and can lead to loads of mental health disorders such as PTSD, and if a pregnancy happens because of the rape, being forced to carry that pregnancy to term can exacerbate those health problems, and lead to a host of problems, which could include one attempting to commit suicide.

This is why, that if a pregnancy is caused by a rape, then a woman should have the right to have an abortion, for her mental well being, and health.

Oh course, for more reasons than can be listed short of a book.

 

[joko104]

I see a lot of men passing judgement about an issue they will never actually have to face.. Which to me, makes them somewhat unqualified to even answer the question.. It would be like condemning someone for going to war, knowing you will never actually have face going to war..

With the exception of Prison, I can't think of a single rape case where a man was the victim.. Again, we shouldn't pass judgements on something that we know nothing about..

Approximately 1 in 5 women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. Approximate 1 in 30 men will be sexually assaulted. It does not only happen in prison. However, no man becomes pregnant by rape, so when the assault stops it has stopped. A rape pregnancy is the assault continuing and escalated 24/7 for 9 months of increasing ferrocity, injury, pain, destruction of her life activities, and ultimately permanently cripple or murder her.

People who oppose abortion in the event of rape support rapist's rights to have children by rape, torment and assault the woman for months, and even to convert the rape to a torturous murder of that woman. Why don't they just openly advocate punishing women for being raped by torture? Wait, that is what they do advocate in effect.

 

[spanky]

I see a lot of men passing judgement about an issue they will never actually have to face.. Which to me, makes them somewhat unqualified to even answer the question.. It would be like condemning someone for going to war, knowing you will never actually have face going to war..

With the exception of Prison, I can't think of a single rape case where a man was the victim.. Again, we shouldn't pass judgements on something that we know nothing about..

Since conservatives are big on cutting spending on entitlements.. Like healthcare, SS, food stamps, and other social programs.. Bringing an unwanted baby into the world and adding to the burdon that republicans despise.. Perhaps abortion is the only humane option.. There is an estimated 1.3 million abortions each year in the U.S. alone.. I doubt you will find adoptive parents for all of them.. So the rest are going to have to go and grow up somewhere.. Be it foster homes, Ophanage, or somewhere else.. Which will require government funding.. Until republicans are willing to discuss what will happen to these children after they are born, then they don't have much right saying anything about what happens before.. Killing them before or after birth is no different.. They are still dead..

I do not think that abortion should be used as a form of birth control.. But in the case rape or incest, I believe the women should choose.. If the mother's life is threatened then it is a no brainer.. Save the mother.. Baby can't survive without mother to begin with.. If the baby is of a viable age, then yes, make all attempts to save the baby..

100,000 altar boys would disagree with you.

 

[wellwisher]

One angle about abortion that is not mentioned, which benefits certain types of men, is abortion keeps more loose and easy women in play. If dating was a sport, pregnancy would be equivilent to a season ending condition, while children can be career ending.

Abortion keeps more of these loose and easy gals in the game, by allowing a faster turn-around from the disabled list. If you calculated the extra number of women-hours of party favors, made possible by abortion, one might think certain types of men masterminded this con.

They had to convince the gals that the faster turn-around was their right, even though the gals take the risk and guys have more party girl hours; diabolical.

 

[joko104]

One angle about abortion that is not mentioned, which benefits certain types of men, is abortion keeps more loose and easy women in play. If dating was a sport, pregnancy would be equivilent to a season ending condition, while children can be career ending.

Abortion keeps more of these loose and easy gals in the game, by allowing a faster turn-around from the disabled list. If you calculated the extra number of women-hours of party favors, made possible by abortion, one might think certain types of men masterminded this con.

They had to convince the gals that the faster turn-around was their right, even though the gals take the risk and guys have more party girl hours; diabolical.

No, birth control pills prompted the "sexual revolution," not abortions.

 

[JayDubya]

People who oppose abortion in the event of rape support rapist's rights to have children by rape, torment and assault the woman for months, and even to convert the rape to a torturous murder of that woman. Why don't they just openly advocate punishing women for being raped by torture? Wait, that is what they do advocate in effect.

This post raped logic and reason and left them crying in a heap on the floor. Absolutely ridiculous.

Children conceived in bad circumstances have the same human rights as anyone else. The rest is not just noise, it's noisome. Noxious. Misanthropic.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Death is really only terrible for those left behind. Once you're dead you're completely unaware of the consequences of being dead. And if you're a fetus with no higher level consciousness, you aren't even aware you're dying.

So, if you had no friends and no family, and nobody whose lives were significantly affected by yours, it would be OK for someone to come along when you're asleep and kill you? As long as you don't suffer, aren't aware that you're being killed, and nobody else is adversity affected, there'd be nothing wrong with that?

 

[tessaesque]

So, if you had no friends and no family, and nobody whose lives were significantly affected by yours, it would be OK for someone to come along when you're asleep and kill you? As long as you don't suffer, aren't aware that you're being killed, and nobody else is adversity affected, there'd be nothing wrong with that?

Death is death. None of us will ever out smart it.

It isn't okay to murder somebody with malicious intent, just for the sake of killing...and that isn't what I said. And that isn't what abortion is, no matter how desperately people try to distort it.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I see a lot of men passing judgement about an issue they will never actually have to face.. Which to me, makes them somewhat unqualified to even answer the question.. It would be like condemning someone for going to war, knowing you will never actually have face going to war..

I don't own a large cotton plantation, and am not otherwise in a situation where I would ever be likely to benefit from being able to legally own slaves.

I think slavery is wrong, and am solidly opposed to the idea of legalizing it. Is my opinion irrelevant because I am not ever going to be in the situation where I might own slaves?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

People who oppose abortion in the event of rape support rapist's rights to have children by rape, torment and assault the woman for months, and even to convert the rape to a torturous murder of that woman. Why don't they just openly advocate punishing women for being raped by torture? Wait, that is what they do advocate in effect.

No, we do not. That's a ridiculous claim

We support the right of an innocent human being not to be put to death for a crime in which he had no willing part.