The GOP Got Duped and Subverted Simultaneously.......now old school republicans have no party.

[Jay59]

Dubious is spelled FOX, Briebart, Zerohedge, NY Post, TRump, GOP, RNC, ALEC, Newt plus liars , more liars, more liars............

Jay 59 you've got nothing we know this.

Doubling down on your sketchy sources. I love it.

For what it's worth, the only one of those I visit is the Post, occasionally. I don't think I have ever been to zerohedge. For that matter, I have little use for Newt Gingrich, but one thing he is not is a liar.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Wow...a progressive who gives a shit about the Republican Party.

Who would have thought this would happen?

It's not uncommon to find Democrats who love their country more than they love a political party, and for such people, rational conservatives may be rivals, but they aren't "enemies of the people" and "not human"...which is how today's GQP perceives all those outside of Trumplandia.
It helps if you stop seeing others the way Trump sees them.

 

[cpwill]

A lot of people hoped that would happen...and it finally did. Of course, a lot of people hate that happening. You know, Dem and Rep Elites, for example.

Which TEA Party? The TEA Party I remember was dedicated to reducing the size of government.

 

[Razoo]

Reducing the size of government is nothing but BS campaign rhetoric that gets floated in every campaign. After 45 years these clowns are still babbling about smaller government. Funny thing is the pushers are expanding government and ALEC is the most vocal pusher.

 

[MamboDervish]

For that matter, I have little use for Newt Gingrich, but one thing he is not is a liar.

Well that is utter bullshit. Newt's well documented history of lying goes all the way back to his tenure as Speaker 25 years ago.

 

[Moderate Right]

Subverting the GOP

The republican party has been over thrown which began in 1973 meaning the party no longer consists of republicans?

The famous Contract for America which Newt Gingrich made famous was an ALEC document which dictated no republican could vote across the aisle or against a bogus GOP president. Those who did were replaced one by one until the party is now quite radical right wing and partisan beyond belief.

Why would this be?

To become a recognized party involves gathering quite a large number of signatures to engage in the ballot process.

The American Legislative Exchange Council and the Christian Fundamentalists both quite radical could never gather enough signatures in a million years.

So a few very wealthy sources began eliminating republicans from the GOP by creating as many as possible bogus PAC's to circumvent special interest political donation guidelines/regulations.

Consequently as much as some hate to admit the GOP is dead.which required about 35 years of covert activity aka
putting the nails in the GOP coffin.

BEWARE Libertarian ALEC and the Christian Fundamentalists are also infiltrating the democrats aka Blue Dog Democrats(Democratic Leadership Council) which believe it or not includes Bill and Hillary Clinton. Very slick indeed.

How is this being accomplished over and above lots of money? Meet Aegis Strategic, the latest affiliate of the Koch brothers’ political empire. http://www.motherjones.com/politics...candidate-training-recruiting-aegis-strategic

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The lions share of old school republicans have no republicans to vote for or a party to support.
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It will be funny how you guys respond to to both the House and the Senate turning red after the midterms. Will you still be saying that there is no Republican party?

 

[Jay59]

Well that is utter bullshit. Newt's well documented history of lying goes all the way back to his tenure as Speaker 25 years ago.

By all means, document away.

Newt has always been one of those politicians where you argue against his assumptions and logic, but not his facts.

It will be funny how you guys respond to to both the House and the Senate turning red after the midterms. Will you still be saying that there is no Republican party?

It's interesting that Gingrich has turned up in this vein. He was another one who would end the Republican party. As much as any single individual, Gingrich was the bridge between Reagan and Trump.

 

[Razoo]

Vladimir Putin helped Trump win the Presidency in 2016. Putin tried to help Trump again in 2020, but to no avail. Trump lost.

According to Kevin McCarthy and Steve Scalise, the number one and number two Republicans in the House, the defeated Donald Trump is the leader of the Republican Party. The vast majority of Republicans agree with them.

Trump insists to this day -- contrary to the judgement of 60 court cases plus the Supreme Court, contrary to countless audits and investigations throughout the land, all of which found nothing to support voter fraud -- that voter fraud took place in the Presidential election.

However, all those Republicans who were elected on the same ballot are okay. Trump doesn't bother with the inconsistency. Why should he? His uninformed, intelligence challenged cult believes everything he says. Why bother with reality?

Trump insists that the American Presidential election on November 3, 2020, was steeped in voter fraud, and he began making that claim months before the election.

'We can't have an election stolen like this,' Trump said.

By the strangest of circumstances, the communist dictator of Russia is saying the very same thing.

The Insider reports, "Putin weaponized Trump's conspiracy theories about the election to denigrate the US's support of free and fair elections around the globe.

"Since Trump lost the election, he and his loyalists have made baseless claims of widespread voter fraud and election-rigging, and they've concocted a vast conspiracy in which the Democratic Party worked with "big tech" and "big media" to hand Biden the election."

A former President of the United States and the leader of the Republican Party is making the same argument about American elections as is the communist dictator of Russia. To make matters worse, the vast majority of Republicans, including McCarthy and Scalise, are too naive, too gullible, and too dense to understand the reality of the damage they are doing to their own party.

I like this thought .......

 

[Razoo]

Beginning with their party leader, why is the Republican Party embracing a lie and attacking American Democracy?

Forbes reports, "Former President Donald Trump on Monday announced he’ll begin to use the term “the big lie” – commonly used by his critics to describe his baseless election fraud claims – to refer to the 2020 election results.

"In a statement sent through his political action committee, Save America PAC, Trump blasted his loss in November as “The Fraudulent Presidential Election of 2020” and said it “will be, from this day forth, known as THE BIG LIE!”

I am not at all sure, Trump believes that (could he be that stupid?), but he knows his gullible, naive base will believe it.

According to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll, 55% of Republicans believe his 2020 election loss resulted from illegal voting or election rigging. That would include a good many Republicans in Congress. The vast majority of Republican lawmakers go along with Trump and his "big lie."

Thus a major party is threatening American democracy, and those few who challenge the lie are in serious trouble with the party because they told the truth.

Liz Cheney is the perfect example. She tweeted, “The 2020 presidential election was not stolen. Anyone who claims it was is spreading THE BIG LIE, turning their back on the rule of law, and poisoning our democratic system.”

Cheney's leadership role in the House is threatened. Top allies of House Minority Leader McCarthy are vowing to oust Cheney

Still another example is Mitt Romney, who had the temerity to vote his conscience in Trump's second impeachment trial. Utah Republicans loudly booed Sen. Romney (R-Utah) at a state party convention Saturday.

Why do Republicans support a former President who lost the House, Senate, and the Presidency on his watch, then led an insurrection against his own government?

Why do Republicans support a habitual liar?

If elections are a sham, why vote? By claiming past elections were bogus, why is it the Republican Party is discouraging the Republican vote?

Why is the Republican Party attacking the very fabric of our democracy?

We will not get answers to these questions because Republicans do not discuss the Republican Party. Republicans prefer to talk about Democrats.

Also, there is an intelligence issue.

More food for thought ......

 

[Sandy Shanks]

I like this thought .......

Biden also knows he has to minimize the damage done by Trump.

In 2016, the communist dictator of Russia, Vladimir Putin, did all he could to get Trump elected President of the United States. At the end of his Presidency, Trump assailed American elections and incited an insurgency against the American government. Trump continues his assault on our free elections to this day to the delight of his cult. Putin got what he wanted from Trump.

By the strangest of circumstances, Trump granted to the communist dictator of North Korea exactly what he wanted -- full-fledged diplomatic conversations with the President of the United States. That had been the goal of North Korean rulers for nearly six decades.

To the every lasting embarrassment of the American people and the Pentagon, Trump traveled to North Korea for one of those conversations.

Trump got absolutely nothing for his treacherous diplomacy.

Thank God we have Joe Biden as President. He knows exactly what must be done.