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The GOP’s increasingly blunt argument: It needs voting restrictions to win

Bullseye said:
So, your concerns seem to comprise the normal LW rants and mantras and yet we had record numbers of voters last November. Doesn't compute.
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Yes, there was a record number of voters for the 2020 elections due to the idiocy of the Trumpies and their leader.
Bullseye said:
There are NO BARRIERS, again that's just LW nonsense spewed to fool low Intelligence voters.
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If there were no BARRIERS, then that must be why GOP-controlled states are adding new restrictions - laws, that are targeted at certain demographics?
 
Somerville said:
Yes, there was a record number of voters for the 2020 elections due to the idiocy of the Trumpies and their leader.
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And yeah the Dems lost 12 house seats and GOP solidified their holds on State legislatures. Even to LW zealots like yourself that shouldn't make sense
Somerville said:
If there were no BARRIERS, then that must be why GOP-controlled states are adding new restrictions - laws, that are targeted at certain demographics?
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Zero for two on facts in this post. Probably not unusual.
 
Bullseye said:
And yeah the Dems lost 12 house seats and GOP solidified their holds on State legislatures. Even to LW zealots like yourself that shouldn't make sense

Zero for two on facts in this post. Probably not unusual.
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But there was massive fraud in 2020 :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Cordelier said:
Um, no.... that's ludricrous. Theft by force? What are you even talking about?
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He's talking about taxes.

It's dumb. I've never had a robber build me a road with my stolen money.
 
This entire topic sounds like Democrat projection. Projection is a psychological mechanism, where a person reveals their inner most semi-conscious thoughts, by shining/projecting them onto others. They accuse others, of what they are semi-conscious of, hopefully making it conscious to themselves. The next step in therapy is owning up, but the leftist stop at projection.

Take for example, voter ID. The Democrats have no problem requiring an ID to buy cigarettes, beer or drive a car. But they think voting is somehow different, and should not require an ID? Can anyone on the left rationalize this without pandering to emotions, as a mechanism to distract from common sense?

If a voter ID is racist, which is the common leftist argument, why isn't an ID for beer and cigarettes also racist, since many minorities smoke cigarettes, drink beer and vote. Is there such a thing a selective racism, based on how Democrats define it? In fact, black smoke a lot of cigarettes and leftist hate cigarettes so they are racists by forcing a cigarette ID; leftist logic.

We require an ID to buy beer and cigarettes not be racist. This is designed to protect young people from themselves, since neither habit is good to start too young. Many young people would cheat the system, if there was only a loose convention of personal responsibly, but no formal ID requirement. We require an ID to drive a car, to make sure everyone who drives has the basic skills needed to drive, so we are all safer. If we got rid of that ID, would we all be safer? Cheaters will exploit the loophole. Shop lifting used to be a crime, but since the Democrats loosened the standard, this cheating in now done in the open.

You need an ID, to get another ID; passport, to travel to other countries. Why do they need double ID ? Most people are good, but there are also some bad people in the world. The good people accept these double ID restrictions to limit impact of the bad guys.

Why is voting different, since lack of an ID, in all places where one now is requires, allows more illegal opportunities? Why don't the Democrats make it harder for criminals, so the good and honest people are safer and their vote is more secure? Why favor the criminals? Defund the police favors the criminals. Favoring the honest people, would target only the bad police and the bad citizens who engage in criminal activity. You protect the rest. Innocent is not how the Democrats think.
 
upsideguy said:
...and why is that necessary? Meanwhile, Colorado runs a very effective vote by mail system. Why not adopt it in every state?
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What method does Colorado use to verify the identities of voters who mail their ballots?
 
jdog said:
I was not talking about the economy, I was talking about Democrats. That being said, our economy has very little capitalism left in it. It is primarily socialism, because corporations are a socialist construct between industry and government. Corporations are given special privilege by government in almost every way in order to eliminate competition from small business owners.
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Socialism is government ownership of the means of transportation, communication, production.

USA ain't it.

Never would be it.
 
If we aren’t willing to fight fire-with-fire to protect our democracy, protect our right to vote, I don’t know what else we are going to fight for.
This is the most important fight we’re going to have.
If we don’t win this one, we sure as hell aren’t going to win the other ones.

Kurt Bardella, L.A. Times
 
Bullseye said:
And yeah the Dems lost 12 house seats and GOP solidified their holds on State legislatures. Even to LW zealots like yourself that shouldn't make sense

Zero for two on facts in this post. Probably not unusual.
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I like highroller's comment about your post. I do wonder how your comment could be made when we are told every day about the massive fraud that took place during the 2020 elections.

Republican-Led State Legislatures Pass Dozens of Restrictive Voting Laws in 2021​

 
Cordelier said:
Since 1992, the Republican Presidential nominee has only won the popular vote once (2004), so, yeah, I'd say it's abundantly clear why they'd want to do everything they can to reduce it.

Muhammad either goes to the mountain or he tries to make the mountain come to him.
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For the office of president, there is no popular vote to win. We elect presidents by the electoral college. If you win enough states to win the electoral college, you are elected. It's that simple. That's the way we have elected presidents since our founding. it's the democrats who cry foul over the elections that they fail to win. They feel entitled to power on a permanent basis and emotionally just cannot accept defeat when it comes.
 
AARguy said:
You equate ID requirements for voting with killing people? Wow... stand up. Step away from the bong. Call 911.
Good luck.
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The context is there is no foundation whatsoever for problematic voter requirements when the reason given is to prevent a problem that doesn't exist. It makes as much sense as does my suggestion, being a problematic solution for violating an ill-conceived law. I don't equate them as the same, except that both are wrong. I do equate them as neither has any basis in reality.
 
Athanasius68 said:
When Trump went to Chicago or Detroit or wherever it was and suggested its residents vote for the GOP because "What do you have to lose" that is kind of outreach since its a fair question to ask.
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Don't you mean the dems need no rules at all to voting so they can win.
 
Maybe it’s time for the liberals and progressives to tool up and fight for the right to vote. That’s the kind of rhetoric the right have been on about over things much more trivial like taxes and the bible.
 
Colin Norris said:
They want voting restrictions to stop working class democrats from voting.
Remember them closing booths etc?
Of course not.
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So you are saying the Democrat voters needed extra ease and incentives to overcome the stench of lousy Democrat candidates and their stale ideas? The Republicans operate will under the same voter conditions but they are not complaining, since they will walk the extra mile due to good candidates and solid ideas.

The Democrats are confusing low anticipated turnout, due to the changes in voter laws with some form of mental and emotional disabilities in their voters. It is really due to corrupt candidates and lousy policies like defund police.

The analogy and contrast is like going to a dinner, where the food is old and overcooked. The host will need to provide extra condiments so the guests can doctor their meals with extra spices. On the other hand, if the food was good, people will show up even if they have to drive the extra mile. Lousy ideas and candidates need other ways to draw crowds, such as voting for people who don't care enough to walk that extra mile.

Does anyone remember the Trump rallies that had an upbeat rock concert atmosphere? Trump said what he meant, and did what he said, so the crowds cheered. Truth is good food. Biden had to promise a bait and switch, to get the far left support. This required tricking the moderate Democrat working class into thinking he was a moderate and a unifier. He served the working class spoiled food and needed to spice things up with the looser than normal election system.

The Democrat fear is, without the spice of overly open elections, their spoiled food will not draw even flies. Moderate working Democrats, who see the rise in crime and disorder in their neighborhoods, due to the far left bait and switch, may decide to go to the other side, unless they can strong arm them back into line. One approach is to have them sign the guest register for the lousy meal, but not have to show up to eat it; ballot harvesting.
 
uptower said:
Maybe it’s time for the liberals and progressives to tool up and fight for the right to vote. That’s the kind of rhetoric the right have been on about over things much more trivial like taxes and the bible.
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Make the argument.
Its one that can be easily dispelled.
 
wellwisher said:
The Democrats are confusing low anticipated turnout, due to the changes in voter laws with some form
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It really depends if the low turnout is due to artificial changes in law or is natural.

Republicans have not done themselves any favors for my perpetuating a lie that there was a massive election fraud in the last election. It just looks like they’re trying to artificially lower public turn out for elections.
 
wellwisher said:
So you are saying the Democrat voters needed extra ease and incentives to overcome the stench of lousy Democrat candidates and their stale ideas? The Republicans operate will under the same voter conditions but they are not complaining, since they will walk the extra mile due to good candidates and solid ideas.

The Democrats are confusing low anticipated turnout, due to the changes in voter laws with some form of mental and emotional disabilities in their voters. It is really due to corrupt candidates and lousy policies like defund police.

The analogy and contrast is like going to a dinner, where the food is old and overcooked. The host will need to provide extra condiments so the guests can doctor their meals with extra spices. On the other hand, if the food was good, people will show up even if they have to drive the extra mile. Lousy ideas and candidates need other ways to draw crowds, such as voting for people who don't care enough to walk that extra mile.

Does anyone remember the Trump rallies that had an upbeat rock concert atmosphere? Trump said what he meant, and did what he said, so the crowds cheered. Truth is good food. Biden had to promise a bait and switch, to get the far left support. This required tricking the moderate Democrat working class into thinking he was a moderate and a unifier. He served the working class spoiled food and needed to spice things up with the looser than normal election system.

The Democrat fear is, without the spice of overly open elections, their spoiled food will not draw even flies. Moderate working Democrats, who see the rise in crime and disorder in their neighborhoods, due to the far left bait and switch, may decide to go to the other side, unless they can strong arm them back into line. One approach is to have them sign the guest register for the lousy meal, but not have to show up to eat it; ballot harvesting.
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That's rubbish. You know exactly why they are making difficult because repigs see them as democrats. You're not kidding anyone with your mealy mouthed excuses.
 
ElChupacabra said:
What's interesting is that instead of finding a better way to grow the base, there's this insistence on trying to preserve the status quo despite the shrinking demographics. While there would be a lot of work to do to make inroads in minority communities, it is certainly possible as we saw in the 2020 election with the uptick in support from Trump in those groups. The challenge I see is breaking free from some of their more divisive rhetoric that relies on certain grievances, because if they're only interested in catering to one group, then the party will be going the way of the Dodo.
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I would love to have a choice of parties to vote for in a national election. I don't.

Its either the democrats who, at least, say they share my values of inclusion, making the rich pay their fair share of taxes, responsible governance, and civility or the GOP who is against each and every one of those things. And once the Democrats get into office (nationally), you may get a few measures passed that embrace those things. Once the GOP gets into office, you get absolutely none of those things passed...it becomes fashionable to be uncivil for example.

Its hard to grow the base when your default position is to oppose everything, resist everything, and be snotty while doing so.
 
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