The geometry teacher is a recording. The chemistry students often teach themselves.

j brown's body · Jan 20, 2023

Teacher shortages are getting renewed attention this year. But in Mississippi and other Southern states, this crisis dates back more than a decade.

"The nature and the severity of the teacher crisis differ radically from state to state, district to district and even school to school. Some districts have only recently started experiencing teacher shortages, but in many Southern states, the problem has been long-standing and only gotten worse. It doesn’t help either that the state has shortchanged districts like West Bolivar Consolidated by millions of dollars, failing to fund a program that would send more money to poor districts.

Researchers have found that schools that serve high percentages of minority students and students in poverty have more difficulty finding and retaining qualified educators than Whiter, more affluent schools. The West Bolivar Consolidated School District is 98 percent Black, and 100 percent of children qualify for free or reduced-price meals.

...When public schools were compelled to integrate here, White students moved to private schools that came to be known as segregation academies — institutions that still stand today and serve a largely White student body. The desegregation fight in the county is hardly history: In 2016, a federal judge ordered two high schools in Cleveland, the county’s largest city, to consolidate into one to better integrate the student body. But at the schools that make up the West Bolivar district, there is nothing to integrate. White students left in the 1970s after courts told schools to open their doors to children of any race."

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Hmmm...

"Critical race theory is an academic concept that is more than 40 years old. The core idea is that race is a social construct, and that racism is not merely the product of individual bias or prejudice, but also something embedded in legal systems and policies."

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Ya think?

EdwinWillers · Jan 20, 2023

Reminds me of the movie Real Genius (1985)

AtlantaAdonis · Jan 20, 2023

This is why New York has cracked down on bigoted certification exams. More teachers of color are needed for schools of color.

City Faces Largest-Ever Lawsuit Payout To NYC Teachers Affected By "Discriminatory" Certification Tests

"The test obviously didn't test anything relevant to the jobs that people were doing or being hired to do. But the city used it in many cases to demote people."

gothamist.com

bomberfox · Jan 20, 2023

Ya know its funny all the pro cop people never seem to apply their reasoning to the GOP’s decades long war on teachers and professors.

BirdinHand · Jan 20, 2023

Problem 1 with Mississippi might be that they pay their teachers the lowest in the nation.

Which states pay teachers the most and least? | USAFacts

Overall, New York and Massachusetts K-12 teachers are paid more, relative to other earners and cost of living, than teachers in the rest of the country. Public teacher pay is the lowest in Florida and Arizona.

usafacts.org

Across the board: the way we find public education is fundamentally flawed and needs to be addressed.

It should NOT be based on property taxes. That puts poorer neighborhoods in a bad spot that they are fighting against before even a single student or teacher sets foot in a classroom.

Davin · Jan 20, 2023

AtlantaAdonis said:
This is why New York has cracked down on bigoted certification exams. More teachers of color are needed for schools of color.

City Faces Largest-Ever Lawsuit Payout To NYC Teachers Affected By "Discriminatory" Certification Tests

"The test obviously didn't test anything relevant to the jobs that people were doing or being hired to do. But the city used it in many cases to demote people."

gothamist.com

The shortage is teachers in general. The way the right treats teachers, it's no wonder people don't want to become teachers. Mostly underpaid, have to pay out of pocket for many supplies and they get the "honor" of getting treated like shit from the right. My daughter wanted to become a teacher until she found out all these things and said she didn't want to deal with that so she's working company training instead.

Callen · Jan 20, 2023

I always find it shocking how teachers in the States are held in such low regard. The right is constantly badmouthng them and in many States their salaries are pathetic. In most western countries teachers are held in high regard and paid very well.

Who the hell in their right mind wants to be constantly put upon, spoken poorly about, paid dirt and work their asses off to educate the kids ...luckily teachers! Hats off to them all!

Geoist · Jan 20, 2023

Who would ever want to teach in Mississippi. Practically a 3rd world country, over there.

Integrityrespec · Jan 20, 2023

j brown's body said:
Teacher shortages are getting renewed attention this year. But in Mississippi and other Southern states, this crisis dates back more than a decade.

"The nature and the severity of the teacher crisis differ radically from state to state, district to district and even school to school. Some districts have only recently started experiencing teacher shortages, but in many Southern states, the problem has been long-standing and only gotten worse. It doesn’t help either that the state has shortchanged districts like West Bolivar Consolidated by millions of dollars, failing to fund a program that would send more money to poor districts.

Researchers have found that schools that serve high percentages of minority students and students in poverty have more difficulty finding and retaining qualified educators than Whiter, more affluent schools. The West Bolivar Consolidated School District is 98 percent Black, and 100 percent of children qualify for free or reduced-price meals.

...When public schools were compelled to integrate here, White students moved to private schools that came to be known as segregation academies — institutions that still stand today and serve a largely White student body. The desegregation fight in the county is hardly history: In 2016, a federal judge ordered two high schools in Cleveland, the county’s largest city, to consolidate into one to better integrate the student body. But at the schools that make up the West Bolivar district, there is nothing to integrate. White students left in the 1970s after courts told schools to open their doors to children of any race."

Link

Hmmm...

"Critical race theory is an academic concept that is more than 40 years old. The core idea is that race is a social construct, and that racism is not merely the product of individual bias or prejudice, but also something embedded in legal systems and policies."

Link

Ya think?

Did the report say why teachers do not want to work in those schools with high minority student bodies? It is the right of a parent to send their kids to the schools of their choice. There are many reasons parents send kids to private schools: religious affiliation, better academic scores, less violence in the school. better facilities are just a few. If our political and educational leaders were honest and were truly concerned with improving our schools they would fix these problems. As for teachers, pay is often a factor but not surprisingly the pay at private schools is less than public. The trade off is free tuition for their kids, less discipline issues to deal with, religious affiliations, less stress. Many private schools have racially mixed student bodies so racial segregation is not a strong factor.
Discipline issues often rank as a major reason for students leaving public schools and schools with large minority populations seem to see a lot of that. Discipline works and clear expectations and clear consequences for discipline infractions need to be maintained. Part of this is clear and consistent contact with both students and parents.
CRT ignores the data of minority crime rates and instead chooses to blame someone else for the bad behavior of some. Society should be held accountable when they do wrong and we have fixed many of our problems and continue to work on them. However, being responsible for your actions and knowing there are strict consequences for those actions is a must regardless of race, social position, or income.

ataraxia · Jan 20, 2023

Integrityrespec said:
Did the report say why teachers do not want to work in those schools with high minority student bodies? It is the right of a parent to send their kids to the schools of their choice. There are many reasons parents send kids to private schools: religious affiliation, better academic scores, less violence in the school. better facilities are just a few. If our political and educational leaders were honest and were truly concerned with improving our schools they would fix these problems. As for teachers, pay is often a factor but not surprisingly the pay at private schools is less than public. The trade off is free tuition for their kids, less discipline issues to deal with, religious affiliations, less stress. Many private schools have racially mixed student bodies so racial segregation is not a strong factor.
Discipline issues often rank as a major reason for students leaving public schools and schools with large minority populations seem to see a lot of that. Discipline works and clear expectations and clear consequences for discipline infractions need to be maintained. Part of this is clear and consistent contact with both students and parents.
CRT ignores the data of minority crime rates and instead chooses to blame someone else for the bad behavior of some. Society should be held accountable when they do wrong and we have fixed many of our problems and continue to work on them. However, being responsible for your actions and knowing there are strict consequences for those actions is a must regardless of race, social position, or income.

The Trump base is already among the most poorly educated demographics and voting blocs in the country, and not very well off financially. It is only a very small minority of them which could afford private education. If you cut the little public education they are even getting now, you are looking at illiteracy rates in this country worse than Bangladesh.

MAGA, LOL.

j brown's body · Jan 20, 2023

Integrityrespec said:
Did the report say why teachers do not want to work in those schools with high minority student bodies? It is the right of a parent to send their kids to the schools of their choice. There are many reasons parents send kids to private schools: religious affiliation, better academic scores, less violence in the school. better facilities are just a few. If our political and educational leaders were honest and were truly concerned with improving our schools they would fix these problems. As for teachers, pay is often a factor but not surprisingly the pay at private schools is less than public. The trade off is free tuition for their kids, less discipline issues to deal with, religious affiliations, less stress. Many private schools have racially mixed student bodies so racial segregation is not a strong factor.
Discipline issues often rank as a major reason for students leaving public schools and schools with large minority populations seem to see a lot of that. Discipline works and clear expectations and clear consequences for discipline infractions need to be maintained. Part of this is clear and consistent contact with both students and parents.
CRT ignores the data of minority crime rates and instead chooses to blame someone else for the bad behavior of some. Society should be held accountable when they do wrong and we have fixed many of our problems and continue to work on them. However, being responsible for your actions and knowing there are strict consequences for those actions is a must regardless of race, social position, or income.

Apparently the main reason:

"White students moved to private schools that came to be known as segregation academies..."

Geoist · Jan 20, 2023

Callen said:
I always find it shocking how teachers in the States are held in such low regard. The right is constantly badmouthng them and in many States their salaries are pathetic. In most western countries teachers are held in high regard and paid very well.

Who the hell in their right mind wants to be constantly put upon, spoken poorly about, paid dirt and work their asses off to educate the kids ...luckily teachers! Hats off to them all!

Teacher quits $43K to work at Wal Mart for $55K.

It's like a headline out of The Onion. But this is real life.

SenorXm/Sirius · Jan 20, 2023

There's a reason Mississippi ranks 50th,in everything...

mrjurrs · Jan 20, 2023

BirdinHand said:
Problem 1 with Mississippi might be that they pay their teachers the lowest in the nation.

Which states pay teachers the most and least? | USAFacts

Overall, New York and Massachusetts K-12 teachers are paid more, relative to other earners and cost of living, than teachers in the rest of the country. Public teacher pay is the lowest in Florida and Arizona.

usafacts.org

Across the board: the way we find public education is fundamentally flawed and needs to be addressed.

It should NOT be based on property taxes. That puts poorer neighborhoods in a bad spot that they are fighting against before even a single student or teacher sets foot in a classroom.

Imo, the strongest reason proposed to explain pay weakness in the teaching profession is that when it started...it was considered to be a job for women. Therefore, they could be paid less.

The idea that our schools provide equal opportunity to our students is wrong, and funding through property taxes is a primary reason.

Geoist · Jan 20, 2023

SenorXm/Sirius said:
There's a reason Mississippi ranks 50th,in everything...

But but but... California! Chicago!!!

mrjurrs · Jan 20, 2023

Geoist said:
Teacher quits $43K to work at Wal Mart for $55K.

It's like a headline out of The Onion. But this is real life.

And when that worker walks out of WalMart, her work for the day is done. Teachers go about another 2 hours per day...for free.

mrjurrs · Jan 20, 2023

Callen said:
I always find it shocking how teachers in the States are held in such low regard. The right is constantly badmouthng them and in many States their salaries are pathetic. In most western countries teachers are held in high regard and paid very well.

Who the hell in their right mind wants to be constantly put upon, spoken poorly about, paid dirt and work their asses off to educate the kids ...luckily teachers! Hats off to them all!

Thank you.

Geoist · Jan 20, 2023

mrjurrs said:
And when that worker walks out of WalMart, her work for the day is done. Teachers go about another 2 hours per day...for free.

Yup. And I've been there. The school bell rings at 3:30 PM and your day is just getting started. There's coaching, clubs, grading, lesson prep, meetings, calling parents, etc etc.

Callen · Jan 20, 2023

mrjurrs said:
Imo, the strongest reason proposed to explain pay weakness in the teaching profession is that when it started...it was considered to be a job for women. Therefore, they could be paid less.

The idea that our schools provide equal opportunity to our students is wrong, and funding through property taxes is a primary reason.

We fund our public schools through property taxes too but the Provincial government collects the money, adds to it, and then disburses the money back to the school boards on a per student basis. This model ensures that all children have the same level of funding regardless of the affluence or poverty of their neighbourhoods.

MamboDervish · Jan 20, 2023

BirdinHand said:
It should NOT be based on property taxes. That puts poorer neighborhoods in a bad spot that they are fighting against before even a single student or teacher sets foot in a classroom.

If not property taxes, how do you suggest public education be funded?

bomberfox · Jan 20, 2023

Callen said:
I always find it shocking how teachers in the States are held in such low regard. The right is constantly badmouthng them and in many States their salaries are pathetic. In most western countries teachers are held in high regard and paid very well.

Who the hell in their right mind wants to be constantly put upon, spoken poorly about, paid dirt and work their asses off to educate the kids ...luckily teachers! Hats off to them all!

Private school barons certainly got their fill.

bomberfox · Jan 20, 2023

MamboDervish said:
If not property taxes, how do you suggest public education be funded?

General taxation.

AtlantaAdonis · Jan 20, 2023

Geoist said:
Who would ever want to teach in Mississippi. Practically a 3rd world country, over there.

There's a very ugly dog whistle about communities of color in this post.

MamboDervish · Jan 20, 2023

bomberfox said:
General taxation.

?Is that you, BirdinHand?

?? Income taxation? Sales taxation?? Taxation of parents with school age children???

Geoist · Jan 20, 2023

AtlantaAdonis said:
There's a very ugly dog whistle about communities of color in this post.

The communities of color are the ones being oppressed by the largely white politicians of Mississippi. So don't accost me with your virtue signaling bullshit when I've been speaking out for those oppressed communities for a decade now on this forum.

The geometry teacher is a recording. The chemistry students often teach themselves.

j brown's body

"A Soros-backed animal"

Teacher shortages are getting renewed attention this year. But in Mississippi and other Southern states, this crisis dates back more than a decade.

EdwinWillers

"Statism - ideas so good they require coercion"

AtlantaAdonis

City Faces Largest-Ever Lawsuit Payout To NYC Teachers Affected By "Discriminatory" Certification Tests

bomberfox

BirdinHand

Which states pay teachers the most and least? | USAFacts

Davin

City Faces Largest-Ever Lawsuit Payout To NYC Teachers Affected By "Discriminatory" Certification Tests

Callen

Geoist

Integrityrespec

Teacher shortages are getting renewed attention this year. But in Mississippi and other Southern states, this crisis dates back more than a decade.

ataraxia

j brown's body

"A Soros-backed animal"

Geoist

SenorXm/Sirius

mrjurrs

Which states pay teachers the most and least? | USAFacts

Geoist

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Geoist

Callen

MamboDervish

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Geoist

The geometry teacher is a recording. The chemistry students often teach themselves.

"A Soros-backed animal"

Teacher shortages are getting renewed attention this year. But in Mississippi and other Southern states, this crisis dates back more than a decade.​

"Statism - ideas so good they require coercion"

Teacher shortages are getting renewed attention this year. But in Mississippi and other Southern states, this crisis dates back more than a decade.​

"A Soros-backed animal"

Looking Forward

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Teacher shortages are getting renewed attention this year. But in Mississippi and other Southern states, this crisis dates back more than a decade.

Teacher shortages are getting renewed attention this year. But in Mississippi and other Southern states, this crisis dates back more than a decade.