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The Fanny Mae & Freddy Mac debacle is Barney Franks fault

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He ran the committee that oversaw it, and had friends working for these entities and benefiting. That's the SOB that needs to be brought before the Senate, censured and frog-marching off Capital Hill. Fanny Mae did he invent that name, sounds like a gay prostitution ring.

;)
 
He ran the committee that oversaw it, and had friends working for these entities and benefiting. That's the SOB that needs to be brought before the Senate, censured and frog-marching off Capital Hill. Fanny Mae did he invent that name, sounds like a gay prostitution ring.

;)

You honestly think all the damage done stems from 2006-now?
 
You honestly think all the damage done stems from 2006-now?

Dems didn't take power until 2007. By the foundation of the current mortgage crises was already in place.
 
He ran the committee that oversaw it, and had friends working for these entities and benefiting. That's the SOB that needs to be brought before the Senate, censured and frog-marching off Capital Hill. Fanny Mae did he invent that name, sounds like a gay prostitution ring.

;)


Fannie Mae was regulated by HUD.

HUD's Regulation of Government-Sponsored Enterprises

I'm pretty sure HUD is a branch of the executive, not Congress.
 
Dems didn't take power until 2007. By the foundation of the current mortgage crises was already in place.

I'll let you two partisan hacks fight over the details, I was only pondering how much culpability the chair of the House Financial Services Committee beginning in 2006 could possibly have.
 
I'll let you two partisan hacks fight over the details, I was only pondering how much culpability the chair of the House Financial Services Committee beginning in 2006 could possibly have.

What did I post that made me a "partisan hack"?
 
I'll let you two partisan hacks fight over the details, I was only pondering how much culpability the chair of the House Financial Services Committee beginning in 2006 could possibly have.

Did the Republicans make him chair in 2006?
 
What did I post that made me a "partisan hack"?

I'm not going to chronicle all your past posts - but all of them that push the pass the buck on a single party is partisan.
 
Look, the problems here have been caused by a mix of both the irresponsibility by the government leadership in the past, and the Fed ignoring the problem now. In fact, I would say that the FED is the problem now. People keep saying "Regulate! Regulate! That will save the market!" which is the most stupid argument I've ever heard. We are trillions in debt and now the Democrat solution is to take out uncle Sam's credit card and run up the debt some more with all the "regulation" and "giant corporate bail-outs(which, by the way, what about all the small-businesses that have failed)? Yea right, that will absolutely kill the economy! Whats happening is a Federal Reserve Board run by Rich-kid Bernanke and a do-nothing US treasury department. This type of irresponsibility is unheard of. We should be having invistigations, not bail-outs! After-all, inside the dark-rooms of the Reserve Board is representing the best interests of the American people?
 
I'm not going to chronicle all your past posts - but all of them that push the pass the buck on a single party is partisan.

I see, you just felt like flaming in this thread for no particular justification.
 
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Look, the problems here have been caused by a mix of both the irresponsibility by the government leadership in the past, and the Fed ignoring the problem now. In fact, I would say that the FED is the problem now. People keep saying "Regulate! Regulate! That will save the market!" which is the most stupid argument I've ever heard. We are trillions in debt and now the Democrat solution is to take out uncle Sam's credit card and run up the debt some more with all the "regulation" and "giant corporate bail-outs(which, by the way, what about all the small-businesses that have failed)? Yea right, that will absolutely kill the economy! Whats happening is a Federal Reserve Board run by Rich-kid Bernanke and a do-nothing US treasury department. This type of irresponsibility is unheard of. We should be having invistigations, not bail-outs! After-all, inside the dark-rooms of the Reserve Board is representing the best interests of the American people?


How is it the Democrats fault that the Govt is bailing out huge companies that have operated in the past 8 years in unregulated environments, and that the government has allowed to grow so huge that it can't afford to let them fail?
 
Actually, Alan Greenspan got us started on the road to sub-prime mortgages back in 2001.

No, I'm not kidding.

Look it up your own damn selves.
 
Actually, Alan Greenspan got us started on the road to sub-prime mortgages back in 2001.

No, I'm not kidding.

Look it up your own damn selves.

How is it the Democrats fault that the Govt is bailing out huge companies that have operated in the past 8 years in unregulated environments, and that the government has allowed to grow so huge that it can't afford to let them fail?

Did John McCain try to prevent this from happening in 2006 or didn't he?

Hot Air Blog Archive McCain’s attempt to fix Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac in 2005; Update: Obama can’t get AIG right
 
How is it the Democrats fault that the Govt is bailing out huge companies that have operated in the past 8 years in unregulated environments, and that the government has allowed to grow so huge that it can't afford to let them fail?
You just sit there and ponder the blatant partisanship you just made. I'll talk about the real issue, corruption of both the FED and the treasury.
 
No, That's not what is listed in his bio.

I became Chairman of the Committee on Financial Services in January, 2007.

Congressman Barney Frank - MA-04

My point is you are wrong saying he was chair in 2006.

Even more reason to question why someone would attempt to blame him for this, which was my point all along.
 
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What is your point? His bio lists him as the chair beginning in 2006. Is it wrong?

And given that the origins of this mess started at the absolutely minimum in 2005 and more likely 2001, it's real questionable. But most people can't see the forest for the trees.
 
How is it the Democrats fault that the Govt is bailing out huge companies that have operated in the past 8 years in unregulated environments, and that the government has allowed to grow so huge that it can't afford to let them fail?
It was more a lack of enforcement of proper accounting standards (obviously aided by the (legal/legislative leverage) via their extensive lobbying and gift giving to influential congresspersons (on both sides). Let's not also forget the subsidies handed out by the federal government to companies to help provide low-income families with housing, encouraging more risk taking. It was a bubble, and the over-invesment was worsened by government (and aided by their inability to enforce current accounting standards).
 
It was more a lack of enforcement of proper accounting standards (obviously aided by the (legal/legislative leverage) via their extensive lobbying and gift giving to influential congresspersons (on both sides). Let's not also forget the subsidies handed out by the federal government to companies to help provide low-income families with housing, encouraging more risk taking. It was a bubble, and the over-invesment was worsened by government (and aided by their inability to enforce current accounting standards).

Um, sorry, no, but "proper accounting standards" had nothing to do with it.

Let's put aside, for just a moment, that banks are allowed to commit fraud every day that they're in business.

In 2001, Alan Greenspan told the banks (to paraphrase) that they were not loaning enough money to enough customers, and that they needed to get off their asses and find new ways to loan loan loan.

Now, when the chairman of the Federal Reserve tells the banks to take additional risk, the implication is that the Fed and the federal government will be there to catch the banks when they fall.

The bad mortgages were variable-rate loans with a very low opening interest rate sold to people with insufficient or incorrectly reported incomes which were not properly vetted before the deal was closed. Subsequently, either the loan was never affordable for them in the initial stages, or it became unaffordable when the interest rate got jacked up.

Meanwhile, lots of big boys bought up securities backed by these mortgages because they were rated AAA. They were rated AAA because the banks selling the securities wouldn't pay the ratings house for rating the securities until after the security sold.

Lots of them, like General Electric, have since been forced to post billions of dollars in losses because of the self-desctruction of the AAA securities they bought for a safe place to put their excess profits.


Now, if you're like me, and you do business with a small-town bank, you might be wondering why they seem to be more stable in the midst of this crisis than, say, the gigantic investment banks tanking on Wall Street, or the bigger deposit banks or S&Ls.

The answer is really quite simple.

The Federal Reserve, the FDIC, and Congress only reach out to "save" the big boys. They have to have tens of billions of dollars on the balance sheet before anybody can, with a straight face, make the argument to the authorities that their collapse would threaten the economy and thus be a national security risk.

The "national security risk" claim, by the way, is nothing new. That one's been getting thrown around with regards to potential bank collapses which "required" government intervention for decades now.

Anyway, the small banks get no such consideration because they don't have enough assets to make waves when they go down. If a small bank collapses, the FDIC pays out the minimum required by law to the depositors and retirement account holders, and lets everything else fall by the wayside.

If you're someone like J.P. Morgan-Chase, however, when you're about to collapse the FDIC, the Fed, and Congress all line up to throw money at you until you're back on solid footing again.


This has nothing to do with accounting practices, and everything to do with a financial system rigged to benefit the big boys on the backs of the little boys and the taxpayers.

It's as simple as that.
 
It was more a lack of enforcement of proper accounting standards (obviously aided by the (legal/legislative leverage)

I don't agree with this at all. Write downs of the level 3s were occurring almost immediately after the housing market went bad. There was bad times a stewing at the investment houses well before the average person got wind of it. Citi went out to find a sovereign wealth fund to shore up their balance sheet relatively early in the crisis.

What is more of an issue was that rating agencies were sellings rates, you could buy whatever rating for your product that you wanted, similar to how in 1999 you could buy an audit. How S&P and Moody's haven't been shutdown or fined yet amazes me.
 
You just sit there and ponder the blatant partisanship you just made. I'll talk about the real issue, corruption of both the FED and the treasury.

Talk about whatever you want. Maybe someone with knowledge can address my point.
 
Even more reason to question why someone would attempt to blame him for this, which was my point all along.

I agree with your point. I simply pointed out the error in the claim he took the chair in 2006.
 
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