The effect of dumping Lieberman

[ModerateDem]

I hope Leiberman tells the DNC to stick it where the sun don't shine for what they did to him........

people make mistakes and have the capacity to realize it. the DNC made a mistake and realized it.

 

[Navy Pride]

Nice red herring. No one said anything about the elections in iraq. We are taking about the Iraqi Army's capability to take over and forcing them to do so if they arent willing to. what exactly is wrong with a partial withdrawl to let the iraqi army stand on its own? Nothing! we are still there to help we simply want them to learn to stand on their own rather than use us as a crutch.

The point is the Iraqi people want a chance to be free and are willing to risk their lives to get it........For the most part they are the ones dying in Iraq now..........We owe it to do whatever it akes to finish the job there and give them every opportunity for a better llfe......

Cutting and running partially or completely is not and option.........We made that mistake in Nam and under this president we will not make the same mistake again..........

There you go lumping me with the extreme left wing which I am not. Apparently You are more interested in playing partisan politics than in a logical and rational conclusion to things in Iraq. Apparently what I said completely escaped you or you just ignored it.

The idea of the extreme left is to cut and run or set dates for leaving.......If you advocate doing that then I can only assume you believe in that action.......

 

[Navy Pride]

people make mistakes and have the capacity to realize it. the DNC made a mistake and realized it.

Making a mistake is one thing.......Throwing a loyal democrat over the side is another.......I am sure they will coddle up to Leiberman now that he is kicking their butts in the polls.................If I were him I would tell the DNC to take a hike......


Loyalty wirks bioth wats.....

 

[Captain America]

Making a mistake is one thing.......Throwing a loyal democrat over the side is another.......I am sure they will coddle up to Leiberman now that he is kicking their butts in the polls.................If I were him I would tell the DNC to take a hike......


Loyalty wirks bioth wats.....

Wadda ya think ol' Hassert oughta tell the repugnantcans since they've thrown him under the bus? :rofl

If I had it my way, we roll over ALL of them with tanks. :mrgreen:

 

[BWG]

I have seen war first hand in Vietnam.

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What was your position and duty? What exactly was your combat mission?

 

[Navy Pride]

Wadda ya think ol' Hassert oughta tell the repugnantcans since they've thrown him under the bus? :rofl

If I had it my way, we roll over ALL of them with tanks. :mrgreen:

Last time I looked Congressman Hastert was still the speaker of the house.....I do find it refreshing that Conservatives will attempt to clean house if laws are broken whereas as democrats on your side of the aisle do nothing when irregularities take place......Clinton, Studds, and Franks come to mind......

 

[Navy Pride]

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I don't have to prove anything to a liberal like you.......I know its difficult for a liberal to stay on topic especially when you are losing the debate, but please try..........Have a nice day my left wing friend.......Thank you.....

 

[disneydude]

I don't have to prove anything to a liberal like you.......I know its difficult for a liberal to stay on topic especially when you are losing the debate, but please try..........Have a nice day my left wing friend.......Thank you.....

...Talk about losing at debates.....I love the way the you always "cut and run" when put in a corner. I am still waiting for your response to what you deemed an answerable question in another post.....so lets try again.

Hey Navy:

"Do you support the troops and removing them from this war of false pretenses?" (A simple yes or no will suffice).

(Oh...and by the way....saying that you don't have to prove anything....is kinda like cut and run again).

 

[Navy Pride]

...Talk about losing at debates.....I love the way the you always "cut and run" when put in a corner. I am still waiting for your response to what you deemed an answerable question in another post.....so lets try again.

Hey Navy:

"Do you support the troops and removing them from this war of false pretenses?" (A simple yes or no will suffice).

(Oh...and by the way....saying that you don't have to prove anything....is kinda like cut and run again).

This thread is about dumping Leiberman.........Please don't try and hijack it or make it about me..........If you want to start a thread about the troops please do so.......thanks........

 

[ModerateDem]

The point is the Iraqi people want a chance to be free and are willing to risk their lives to get it........For the most part they are the ones dying in Iraq now..........We owe it to do whatever it akes to finish the job there and give them every opportunity for a better llfe......

Which is why we need to let the Iraqi army stand on its own two feet for a chance and stop babying them all of the time by doing the work for them.

Cutting and running partially or completely is not and option.........We made that mistake in Nam and under this president we will not make the same mistake again..........

Why is a partial withdrawl not an option? Why should we baby an Army that should be doing its job. Saying their army is not ready is the back door way out of the argument. If the Iraqi Army were even serious about being the Army they would step up and be the Army of Iraq instead of forcing the United States Military to be the unofficial Army of iraq. A partial withdrawl and deployment of the Iraqi army would give this baby bird a small push towards flying on its own. the analogy of the baby bird and its mother applies ever more with every passing minute.

the difference between Nam and Iraq is that In Iraq we do not have a Northern Communist Iraq and a semi-Democratic Southern Iraq fighting each other. We also are not dealing with a lending of support to a semi-democratic southern Iraq to fight a take-over by a Northern communist Iraq, but a complete Takeover of Iraq by the US and we are fighting insurgents after the takeover. there are many differences ideologically, well maybe not both were conceived by ego not intelligence on this one so you may have this one; geographically; and scenario-wise between the two.

The idea of the extreme left is to cut and run or set dates for leaving.......If you advocate doing that then I can only assume you believe in that action.......

Setting timetables for a partial withdrawl is not "cutting and running." Neo-Cons use this to further their agendas without even the hint of Logical or Rational thought. They are assuming the worst case scenario and applying it irrationally to the situation in Iraq. A rational approach approaches the problem keeping in mind both of the extremes but provides a third option that would deal with both if it were to swing either way.

 

[ModerateDem]

This thread is about dumping Leiberman.........Please don't try and hijack it or make it about me..........If you want to start a thread about the troops please do so.......thanks........

navy pride is right, I regret that our discussion has veered off into Debating the "war in iraq." However, I think that should we continue we should carry the last post of mine to another thread and discuss the topic there if you like. my Apologies for letting this get out of hand.

 

[Captain America]

Last time I looked Congressman Hastert was still the speaker of the house.....I do find it refreshing that Conservatives will attempt to clean house if laws are broken whereas as democrats on your side of the aisle do nothing when irregularities take place......Clinton, Studds, and Franks come to mind......

What I do find not to be refreshing, stale in fact, is your attempts to sidestep the current issues at hand by diverting the attention to scumbags from years ago. But your loyal partisanship is well known at this site and we have come to expect no less.


But as far as Hastert is concerned, unless someone can show me hard evidence that he was hiding this information for party loyalty, or any other reason for that matter, he should not have to suffer his carreer because of what another person in his party did. I know a few GOP'ers are trying to scapegoat him perhaps, but I am not yet convinced. I am not saying he didn't either. I'm just saying I am not convinced he hid this information as many from his own side of the aisle are claiming. For every person saying that Hastert was in the loop on this there are two or more standing up for him and his integrity.

It seems unfair to me that a man who has worked his life in public service can be shot down and put out to pasture over the actions of one of their subordinants.

Myself, I admire his position of "The buck stops here. I take responsibility. However, I'm not going nowhere."

Stand your ground Hastert. If I knew in my heart of hearts that I was an innocent man, over any given issue, I would fight tooth and nail against those trying to do me in. For that reason Hastert has my respect. I wish more politicians showed such cajones.

That suggests to me that he is telling the truth. If he knew that there was some evidence out there proving he was in the loop on this and that he swept it under the rug for party loyalty or gain, I don't think he would be standing so firmly and sticking to his guns.

The jury is still out with me and the last I heard, here in America, a man is innocent until proven guilty.

Foley is the dirty bird here. Let's not forget that. Why throw the baby out with the bath water?

BUT..... if it proven that Hastert is guilty of hiding or ignoring this perverted a-hole, let the cards fall where they may.

Further, if it is also proven that the democrats knew of this a long time ago and kept it under wraps for political gain, ie: "October Surprise", at the expense of those kids, hang them high as well.

 

[Navy Pride]

navy pride is right, I regret that our discussion has veered off into Debating the "war in iraq." However, I think that should we continue we should carry the last post of mine to another thread and discuss the topic there if you like. my Apologies for letting this get out of hand.

Thanks MD No apologies necessary.........No matter what side of the aisle your on the Leiberman/Lamont race should be interesting..........I think a lot of Americans think it was a mistake to go into Iraq but at this point it is called Monday Morning Quarterbacking on their part......I think when we invaded Iraq it was just the opposite, most Americans and 77 Senators seemed to think it was the right thing to do......That is all past now, whether we should have gone does not matter.........

I think most Americans still think we should finish the job we started there and then get out as soon as possible....I think most Americans do not want to set a date for leaving or for partial pull out....I believe that is why Leiberman is so far ahead in a very red state where the war is not popular......

 

[Navy Pride]

Captain America]What I do find not to be refreshing, stale in fact, is your attempts to sidestep the current issues at hand by diverting the attention to scumbags from years ago. But your loyal partisanship is well known at this site and we have come to expect no less.[/B]

But as far as Hastert is concerned, unless someone can show me hard evidence that he was hiding this information for party loyalty, or any other reason for that matter, he should not have to suffer his carreer because of what another person in his party did. I know a few GOP'ers are trying to scapegoat him perhaps, but I am not yet convinced. I am not saying he didn't either. I'm just saying I am not convinced he hid this information as many from his own side of the aisle are claiming. For every person saying that Hastert was in the loop on this there are two or more standing up for him and his integrity.

It seems unfair to me that a man who has worked his life in public service can be shot down and put out to pasture over the actions of one of their subordinants.

Myself, I admire his position of "The buck stops here. I take responsibility. However, I'm not going nowhere."

Stand your ground Hastert. If I knew in my heart of hearts that I was an innocent man, over any given issue, I would fight tooth and nail against those trying to do me in. For that reason Hastert has my respect. I wish more politicians showed such cajones.

That suggests to me that he is telling the truth. If he knew that there was some evidence out there proving he was in the loop on this and that he swept it under the rug for party loyalty or gain, I don't think he would be standing so firmly and sticking to his guns.

The jury is still out with me and the last I heard, here in America, a man is innocent until proven guilty.

Foley is the dirty bird here. Let's not forget that. Why throw the baby out with the bath water?

BUT..... if it proven that Hastert is guilty of hiding or ignoring this perverted a-hole, let the cards fall where they may.

Further, if it is also proven that the democrats knew of this a long time ago and kept it under wraps for political gain, ie: "October Surprise", at the expense of those kids, hang them high as well.

I don't know what the bolded portion is about my Liberal friend but whatever.......

I pretty much agree with you on the rest of your post but if we can do like Moderate Democrat said and stay on topic it would be appreciated........

Thanks