The dishonesty of Intellectual Property Theft.

[bub]

I discovered so many bands it is unreal.
I never hear of them until a fellow user would put up a thread saying 'listen to this band, its awesome' and yeah, I listen to the album. Love it and end up going to the concert.

Alot of people ignore the fact illegal downloading has helped live acts and new bands have risen through it. Artists still get alot from tours and that is because they profit more from them than CD sales

Who even uses their CD's regularly? Seriously?
I buy the album, burn it onto my IPod and stick it in a box never to be touched again unless I need to copy it again.

And it's not because you download a song that you'd buy it if you had to pay. I have dozens of Beatles songs on my computer but if I had had to pay the 100 or 120€ requested to get these albums, I'd listen to the radio instead.

And anyways...they're either dead or extremely rich so...who cares if they get 2€ from me? McCartney will still have enough money to fill the tanks of his yatch, Ringo Starr will still have enough money to buy villas in the Bahamas and the two others don't need my money anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnrsqf33MXA

 

[Laila]

And it's not because you download a song that you'd buy it if you had to pay. I have dozens of Beatles songs on my computer but if I had had to pay the 100 or 120€ requested to get these albums, I'd listen to the radio instead.

Or just Youtube playlist (I prefer GS). Legal and you still don't pay.
Alot of those who are on the other side of the debate make the crucial mistake of assuming a download = lost sale.

Off Topic but listening to this right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIRW_elc-rY&feature=channel

Love it for some reason.

 

[Harshaw]

And, you guys are doing exactly what I said:

The vast majority of people who argue passionately in favor of piracy do so because they don't want to pay for content, and then they come up with layer upon layer of rationalization around it to make it seem as though they're on the side of something virtuous. It's the little guy against Big Media. So, they don't want to hear about those other than Big Media who are being hurt by it.

 

[Laila]

And, you guys are doing exactly what I said:

You make another crucial mistake.
Speaking for myself as a downloader. I have no need to justify anything as that would requiring caring and I just do not care.
I pay for those I like, I care less for anyone else in the industry.

 

[Harshaw]

You make another crucial mistake.
Speaking for myself as a downloader. I have no need to justify anything, I just do not care.
I pay for those I like, I care less for anyone else in the industry.

Then why have you spent so much time talking about how your downloading has led to benefit for the producesrs/artists?

(And what were my other "crucial mistakes"?)

 

[Laila]

Then why have you spent so much time talking about how your downloading has led to benefit for the producesrs/artists?

I have?
I have barely 10 posts on this thread.
How is that 'so much time'?

 

[Harshaw]

I have?
I have barely 10 posts on this thread.
How is that 'so much time'?

This is a lot of words for someone who doesn't care or doesn't need to justify anything:

:shrug:
I can't even number the amount of times I watched a movie illegally and enjoyed it so much I went to go the cinema to watch it again or read a book that was DL'ed and bought the entire series of the author or listened to an album of a artist and went to their concert or went out to buy the album.

I discovered so many bands it is unreal.
I never hear of them until a fellow user would put up a thread saying 'listen to this band, its awesome' and yeah, I listen to the album. Love it and end up going to the concert.

Alot of people ignore the fact illegal downloading has helped live acts and new bands have risen through it. Artists still get alot from tours and that is because they profit more from them than CD sales.

 

[bub]

And, you guys are doing exactly what I said:

You do not answer any of the arguments I gave:

- excessive price
- if I pay 20€ they get only 2€ anyways
- often the creator is already dead
- art is not just business (when you visit nice towns, you don't pay the architects of all the buildings to be allowed to watch them)

 

[Laila]

This is a lot of words for someone who doesn't care or doesn't need to justify anything:

I would hardly claim it took 'so much time' to write up 2 paragraphs.

 

[Laila]

You do not answer any of the arguments I gave:

- excessive price
- if I pay 20€ they get only 2€ anyways
- often the creator is already dead

-DRM

Had to add that. Annoys me when I try and buy something legit and then I get screwed over and in many cases better off illegally obtaining it.

 

[Harshaw]

You do not answer any of the arguments I gave:

- excessive price
- if I pay 20€ they get only 2€ anyways
- often the creator is already dead

You're rationalizing, just as I said. The price is what the market sets; you have no idea what the artist gets and it's different from piece to piece anyway, and if you're talking about current music, I have no idea which "artists" you're talking about who are dead. Not that it matters.

 

[Harshaw]

I would hardly claim it took 'so much time' to write up 2 paragraphs.

And you reinforced it again here:

Alot of those who are on the other side of the debate make the crucial mistake of assuming a download = lost sale.
.

That's a pretty large percentage of your very few posts.

 

[Laila]

And you reinforced it again here:
That's a pretty large percentage of your very few posts.

And a sentence! Oh wow, you are right. I am just so obsessed with the Entertainment Industry.

 

[Harshaw]

And a sentence! Oh wow, I am just so obsessed with the Entertainment Industry.

:shrug: However many posts you had, you used a good number of them rationalizing your support of piracy. You say you didn't, but it's there in your own words.

 

[rivrrat]

Because you are making a permanent copy for which you did not pay.

Which I will throw away if the movie sucked. And, I will purchase a legit copy if the movie didn't suck.

So, again, what's the difference?

 

[Laila]

:shrug: However many posts you had, you used a good number of them rationalizing your support of piracy. You say you didn't, but it's there in your own words.

:shrug:
Make of it what you will. I will always download because I simply want to.

 

[Harshaw]

Which I will throw away if the movie sucked.

So what?

And, I will purchase a legit copy if the movie didn't suck.

In every single case? I doubt that very much.

But it still doesn't matter. It is what it is. Someone who bought the DVD is perfectly within their rights to lend it to you. Making a copy (however you get it) isn't.

 

[Harshaw]

:shrug:
Make of it what you will. I will always download because I simply want to.

Thus, you don't want to pay, and you were rationalizing it. Exactly as I said.

 

[Laila]

Thus, you don't want to pay, and you were rationalizing it. Exactly as I said.

I have said it before. I pay those I deem worthy of my money.
Downloading is simply marketing to me, if I like it. I buy it. If I don't, I throw it.

Considering the bulk of my own downloads are BBC. I have no need to rationalize downloading what I already paid for.

 

[rivrrat]

:shrug:
I support the artists who are worthy of my money.
Radiohead tho I can't stand them but because they were willing to put their album up and allow us to name the price, I bought. I paid and love Nine Inch Nails. Another who decided to use bit torrent to his use. The Industry could learn from it

I can't even number the amount of times I watched a movie illegally and enjoyed it so much I went to go the cinema to watch it again or read a book that was DL'ed and bought the entire series of the author or listened to an album of a artist and went to their concert or went out to buy the album.

It may sound "angelic" but that's true, I listen to a lot of music on youtube and in fact that's how I discovered ACDC, Dave Brubeck and RATM. Now I have most of their CD's

I discovered so many bands it is unreal.
I never hear of them until a fellow user would put up a thread saying 'listen to this band, its awesome' and yeah, I listen to the album. Love it and end up going to the concert.

Alot of people ignore the fact illegal downloading has helped live acts and new bands have risen through it. Artists still get alot from tours and that is because they profit more from them than CD sales

Who even uses their CD's regularly? Seriously?
I buy the album, burn it onto my IPod and stick it in a box never to be touched again unless I need to copy it again.

Yes. And I often downloaded music to try out new artists, found some new folks I liked because of that. Bought CDs that I would NEVER have purchased otherwise. I still do that on occasion, but now my tool for doing that is Pandora. I can't say enough good stuff about that application. It has opened my eyes to artists I never would heard of without it. Now what I do when I hear an artist's song on Pandora and they pique my interest, I download another of their songs in some way to hear it and see if the one song was just a fluke. If not, then I go buy either the CD or buy the MP3s individually.


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And between the cable I pay out the ass for, HBO and other movie channels I pay for, On Demand that I pay for, the buttload of DVDs and Blu-rays that I own, and Netflix streaming to my TV.... I ****ing seriously don't have any guilt over downloading a movie that I want to check out on occasion, and I *certainly* don't have an issue downloading TV shows.

 

[Laila]

Yes. And I often downloaded music to try out new artists, found some new folks I liked because of that. Bought CDs that I would NEVER have purchased otherwise. I still do that on occasion, but now my tool for doing that is Pandora. I can't say enough good stuff about that application. It has opened my eyes to artists I never would heard of without it. Now what I do when I hear an artist's song on Pandora and they pique my interest, I download another of their songs in some way to hear it and see if the one song was just a fluke. If not, then I go buy either the CD or buy the MP3s individually.

And between the cable I pay out the ass for, HBO and other movie channels I pay for, On Demand that I pay for, the buttload of DVDs and Blu-rays that I own, and Netflix streaming to my TV.... I ****ing seriously don't have any guilt over downloading a movie that I want to check out on occasion, and I *certainly* don't have an issue downloading TV shows.

I've heard of Pandora but never used it personally. Is it good radio shows?

Hell I pay for the honour of watching my own damn TV, not to mention TV license which seems to go up annually :roll:

 

[rivrrat]

So what?

So how is that different than borrowing the movie?

In every single case? I doubt that very much.

Yes, In every single case. The dvd's and/or blu-rays are higher quality, have deleted scenes, sometimes behind the scenes stuff, out-takes, cast interviews, etc, etc. I love that ****.

Hell, I have every single episode of Lost downloaded. All of them. I can watch them any time I want. However, when the boxed version of the ENTIRE series goes on sale, guess who's buying it? Yup. That's right. I'm going to shell out $200 for a bunch of Blu-rays with shows on them that I already have access to for free. Why? Because they have a bunch of other **** on there too besides the shows, and the quality will be better.

 

[Harshaw]

I never said any of you had to feel any guilt, but the rationalization suggests that you may anyway. Or, at the very least, that you don't want to be seen as freeloaders.

 

[Laila]

Yes, In every single case. The dvd's and/or blu-rays are higher quality, have deleted scenes, sometimes behind the scenes stuff, out-takes, cast interviews, etc, etc. I love that ****.

I always wondered if it was just me, I love things like that.
I remembering buying all of the LOTR extended editions even tho I already had the DVD's. Just because the extended had all the extras :3oops:

 

[Laila]

I never said any of you had to feel any guilt, but the rationalization suggests that you may anyway. Or, at the very least, that you don't want to be seen as freeloaders.

To be one would suggest I do not give any money whatsoever to the entertainment industry. :shrug: