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The democrats are winning

Arbo said:
My responses started with your claim that it is Republicans that blame everyone else. I showed you the perfect example that neither side holds the 'lead' on such things. It is pretty standard for those that see both sides as the problem, to point out to partisans like yourself, the insanity of such comments (ie, saying one side always does it).
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Actually, I limited my response to things like the media. But when more was added, I stated clearly both sides have people who do so. But that the media excuse making is really a republican ploy. And as we've talked for awhile, you have quite a bit of partisan in you as evidenced by your misreading of Obama. It may be tea party partisanship, or radical silliness, but clearly ideological.
 
Kandahar said:
I already told you who in my previous post.



But you don't need a driver's license or most of the other types of picture IDs that would be valid for voting under most of the proposed laws. Per the SSA's website, you need the following documents for social security:




Contrary to popular belief, not everyone that is poor is on government assistance. And in any case you'd have the same issue of some people having the documents they need for those things but not the documents they need for voting.



Translation: You know I'm right and have no rebuttal. And I *know* for a fact that there are many college students who don't have any ID apart from their university cards, as it hasn't been that long since I went to college myself.

Furthermore, ALL of these things you're trying to rebut are ridiculous points, because you aren't actually confronting the FACTS that independent groups have found that there are indeed voters who do not have these documents. If you want to make a rational argument you need to confront that fact instead of just making spurious claims that "Everyone in Group X must have a valid ID because I think many of them participate in Activity Y which I think requires some sort of ID." Sorry, your silly conjectures don't cut it.



No, if you're talking about potentially disenfranchising 10% of the voters in the state, you'd damn well better have more than one example of it. Although one example might be a good place to start, which you haven't done yet.



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You are flat-out lying. Every independent group has concluded that voter impersonation is almost non-existent, and even Republican advocates for voter ID laws have been unable to find many (any?) cases of it.
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your desperation is evident. are you now claiming that 10% of the people on the voter rolls do not have any form of ID?
 
Boo Radley said:
Actually, I limited my response to things like the media. But when more was added, I stated clearly both sides have people who do so. But that the media excuse making is really a republican ploy. And as we've talked for awhile, you have quite a bit of partisan in you as evidenced by your misreading of Obama. It may be tea party partisanship, or radical silliness, but clearly ideological.
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are you claiming that the MSM does not have a left wing bias? because if you are, you are clearly wrong.
 
Boo Radley said:
Actually, I limited my response to things like the media. But when more was added, I stated clearly both sides have people who do so. But that the media excuse making is really a republican ploy. And as we've talked for awhile, you have quite a bit of partisan in you as evidenced by your misreading of Obama. It may be tea party partisanship, or radical silliness, but clearly ideological.
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Ah, more excuses and diversion. Don't like it when you are exposed for doing what you like to claim others do eh?
 
Bobcat said:
your desperation is evident. are you now claiming that 10% of the people on the voter rolls do not have any form of ID?
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Depends where you are, and what kinds of voter IDs are allowed. Various newspapers and watchdog groups have investigated Pennsylvania's new voter ID law and estimated that 9% of all Pennsylvania voters lack a valid form of ID. It's 18% or higher in urban areas like Philadelphia. But I'm sure your random conjectures about "How do people do X, Y, and Z without an ID?" are more reliable than the actual facts. :roll:

The Startling Urban Dynamic in Pennsylvania's Voter ID Law - Politics - The Atlantic Cities
 
Kandahar said:
Depends where you are, and what kinds of voter IDs are allowed. Various newspapers and watchdog groups have investigated Pennsylvania's new voter ID law and estimated that 9% of all Pennsylvania voters lack a valid form of ID. It's 18% or higher in urban areas like Philadelphia. But I'm sure your random conjectures about "How do people do X, Y, and Z without an ID?" are more reliable than the actual facts. :roll:

The Startling Urban Dynamic in Pennsylvania's Voter ID Law - Politics - The Atlantic Cities
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probably correct about illegal aliens not having IDs in Philly. but we get it, you need those votes for obama. after all, we have to let everyone in the country vote, even if the are here as criminals.
 
Bobcat said:
probably correct about illegal aliens not having IDs in Philly. but we get it, you need those votes for obama. after all, we have to let everyone in the country vote, even if the are here as criminals.
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Funny how your response was all about illegal aliens, even though they aren't mentioned or even alluded to in my previous post or in the article I linked. Why, it's ALMOST like you're trying to change the subject because you know you're full of ****. It's ALMOST like you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. :roll:
 
Bobcat said:
are you claiming that the MSM does not have a left wing bias? because if you are, you are clearly wrong.
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If we're talking politcal entertianers, that's stupid. Madow and O'Rielly, two common networks, are paid to be biased. Too bad they are not paid to be journalist. As for news, actual news, that is something no one has done the hard work to prove. This requires an extensive study of language and inaccuracy without ocnsequences. Not getting the bais you want is not evidence of bias.
 
Bobcat said:
Does anyone think its OK that the media blatantly takes sides and reinforces the lies of those they support? not a right or left question, since both sides do it. I am asking if any of you think thats the way we should elect our leaders.

Shouldn't journalists and reporters tell the truth? Is if OK that they attempt to brainwash their viewers?

trying to have a serious discussion here. If all you want to do is hurl partisan comments, let the thread die.
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No, of course I don't. It outrages me. I am annoyed snotless that it now takes me hours if I want to develop any sort of balanced understanding of a news item, nevermind a politician's speech or acts.

OTOH, I am a card-carrying Republican and have been since the early 1980's. I am ALSO outraged at the conduct of my party, and I my only hope at this point is that they will realize, at some point, they cannot win with such anti-human, extremist candidates.

TWO bad things have happened in my lifetime that converge to make it unlikely my beloved GOP will ever again be the party I want. I grieve about this -- but I don't blame the media, which is not responsible for the GOP's choices. I blame the GOP.
 
What's interesting is that we are in a thread that an uber GOP-loving conservative created and usually when GOP-loving conservatives aren't bitching about how the media is biased against them they are often found boasting about how Fox is by far #1 in ratings. Oh well.

Also... conservatives complaining about MSNBC makes be laugh because there would never have been an MSNBC had there not been a Fox news because MSNBC was nothing but a retort to Fox... and even then it's nowhere near as atrocious being that you cannot find people nearly as bias and stupid as that wonderful Fox & Friends crew. The rest of the whining about CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC is just ridiculous banner waving of a tired and old bullcrap argument made by those who want to control the news rather than it be reported.
 
poweRob said:
What's interesting is that we are in a thread that an uber GOP-loving conservative created and usually when GOP-loving conservatives aren't bitching about how the media is biased against them they are often found boasting about how Fox is by far #1 in ratings. Oh well.

Also... conservatives complaining about MSNBC makes be laugh because there would never have been an MSNBC had there not been a Fox news because MSNBC was nothing but a retort to Fox... and even then it's nowhere near as atrocious being that you cannot find people nearly as bias and stupid as that wonderful Fox & Friends crew. The rest of the whining about CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC is just ridiculous banner waving of a tired and old bullcrap argument made by those who want to control the news rather than it be reported.
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msnbc, that network with a three hour morning program named after its host, the very conservative (and snarky) former republican representative from florida
the program that often has the former rnc chair as its guest
which former demo politicians host a faux news program?
 
poweRob said:
What's interesting is that we are in a thread that an uber GOP-loving conservative created and usually when GOP-loving conservatives aren't bitching about how the media is biased against them they are often found boasting about how Fox is by far #1 in ratings. Oh well.

Also... conservatives complaining about MSNBC makes be laugh because there would never have been an MSNBC had there not been a Fox news because MSNBC was nothing but a retort to Fox... and even then it's nowhere near as atrocious being that you cannot find people nearly as bias and stupid as that wonderful Fox & Friends crew. The rest of the whining about CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC is just ridiculous banner waving of a tired and old bullcrap argument made by those who want to control the news rather than it be reported.
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Bull****. I could believe Walter Chronkite.
 
Pinkie said:
Bull****. I could believe Walter Chronkite.
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should have listened to dan rather
especially when he exposed the shrub's AWOL experiences
 
Kandahar said:
Funny how your response was all about illegal aliens, even though they aren't mentioned or even alluded to in my previous post or in the article I linked. Why, it's ALMOST like you're trying to change the subject because you know you're full of ****. It's ALMOST like you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. :roll:
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you said 10% of the people in philly had no ID. that could only be true if you include illegals.
 
justabubba said:
should have listened to dan rather
especially when he exposed the shrub's AWOL experiences
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it has been proven that Rather lied about that. he ruined his career with that lie. you are very confused, or just a simple liar.
 
Bobcat said:
you said 10% of the people in philly had no ID. that could only be true if you include illegals.
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ok, show us why that would have to be the case
 
Bobcat said:
it has been proven that Rather lied about that. he ruined his career with that lie. you are very confused, or just a simple liar.
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Proved he lied about a memo, not Bush being AWOL. That's forgotten and I've shown that enough over the years. You should read more. However, the point is, his mistake did cost him. Had it been something like The Weekly Standard, who have reporters who make such mistakes, it would not have cost them at all. One of the messures of bias is inaccuracy without consequence.
 
Bobcat said:
you said 10% of the people in philly had no ID. that could only be true if you include illegals.
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Sorry, your random speculation is less convincing than the actual statistics from groups that have studied this issue.
 
Bobcat said:
multiply the population of Philly by 10%, then get back to me and tell me that many people do not have IDs
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actually, get back to us with evidence to back up your assertion
the one which insists that 10% of the philly population being without ID would be incorrect if illegal aliens were excluded from the base
 
Kandahar said:
Did they vote in their own names, or did they vote in someone else's name? If they voted in their own names, then that isn't a problem that voter ID will solve. Voter impersonation (i.e. the form of voter fraud that voter ID supposedly prevents) is almost non-existent in this country.



Anyone who supports voter ID laws is either ignorant of the facts or willfully supporting voter suppression. There is no legitimate purpose for voter ID laws, because the problem that it purports to solve doesn't actually exist.
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:roll:So anyone who supports voter ID is either ignorant of facts or willfully supporting voter suppression? The left is just affraid of the truth coming out and is unable to face it. It would only take two fingerprints and a scanner to put an end to voter fraud. The left doesn't want this because they know they would lose some votes. Its just like the IRS getting sent 1000s of tax returns from the same address and them getting the refunds paid out. You would think the people would want an end to voter fraud but their are those out there that believe they would lose because of it. Whats next? Telephoning in your vote?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Yea! The media should be covering how Romney did great things as a governor, like health care ref.... ahhh, banned assault weapo... ahhh... ****...

Sorry dude. The media isn't going to go out of there way to polish the metric ****-ton of a turd that is Willard Romney' campaign.
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:mrgreen:Nope. They are just going to glorify the nitwit leader they adore so much. They are also BRAINWASHED.
 
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