millsy said:One of the most important factors in whether or not someone gets sentenced to die is the colour of his skin, and the colour of his victims skin.
"The odds of receiving a death sentence are nearly four times (3.9) higher if the defendant is black"
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=5&did=184
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=45&did=539
How can this type of blatant racism still be allowed to exist?
zymurgy said:Individual application of the law very well might be linked to race. That doesn't mean the law itself is racist as you claim in the thread title.
cherokee said:I cant get your links to work but did you also look at the states where the data came from?
States with more blacks will have higher black crime rates.
cherokee said:I cant get your links to work but did you also look at the states where the data came from?
States with more blacks will have higher black crime rates.
millsy said:The one link looks at all people put to death since the reintroduction of the death penalty. It compares their skin colour to the skin colour if their victims. The other comes mainly from Pennsylvania but also looks at data and rulings from all over the country.
zymurgy said:http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...=5&did=184 - won't work in most browsers - the & is the problem.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...=5&did=184 - this version will work
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...45&did=539
millsy said:One of the most important factors in whether or not someone gets sentenced to die is the colour of his skin, and the colour of his victims skin.
millsy said:One of the most important factors in whether or not someone gets sentenced to die is the colour of his skin, and the colour of his victims skin.
"The odds of receiving a death sentence are nearly four times (3.9) higher if the defendant is black"
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=5&did=184
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=45&did=539
How can this type of blatant racism still be allowed to exist?
millsy said:Actually they controlled for things such as type of crime. What they're saying is for a given sample of equal crimes the DA is more likely to pursue the death penalty if the defendant is Black.
Stinger said:It doesn't seem that important versus the crime rate and I see nothing at
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=5&did=184
That say there were controls for the crime rate in the study. What I DO find most telling is that blacks are killing whites and a very disporpotionate rate, almost 18:1 versus whites killing blacks which in fact is rare.. Why is that and what can be done about it?
alphamale said:One refutation:
"The claim that the death penalty unfairly impacts blacks and minorities is a deliberate fraud. The majority of those executed since 1976 have been white, even though black criminals commit a slim majority of murders. If the death penalty is racist, it is biased against white murderers and not blacks.
According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks committed 51.5% of murders between 1976 and 1999, while whites committed 46.5%. Yet even though blacks committed a majority of murders, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reports: "Since the death penalty was reinstated by the Supreme Court in 1976, white inmates have made up the majority of those under sentence of death." (Emphasis added.) Whites continued to comprise the majority on death row in the year 2000 (1,990 whites to 1,535 blacks and 68 others). In the year 2000, 49 of the 85 people actually put to death were whites.
millsy said:The study was only talking about cases where the murderer was sentenced to death.
Stinger said:Which is still quite telling and I still see nothing claiming they could factor our the fact that blacks simply commit crimes and at particularly and distubingly higher porportion.
I haven't found anything specific to murder yet but let's look at the bigger picture. Keep in mind that Whites outnumber blacks by about 8 to 1.
I think the bigger question is what do we do about this?
millsy said:There's no question that it is a huge concern and needs to be dealt with. Of the hip I would say a big reason for that is the location of poor people. Poor white people largely live in rural areas which are predominantly white. Poor black people live in urban areas where they are surrounded by wealth.
Your numbers 85 to 15
let's say they are accurate for murder as well.
Since 1976 209 blacks have been sentenced to death compared to 12 whites for interracial killings.
that's approx. 94 to 6.
That's not even close to proportional.
jamesrage said:Do any of these convictions have the same judge, same jury and same DA?
millsy said:those numbers 209:12 are all the cases nation wide since 1976, so I doubt that too many of the judges are similar. The DA's offices might be similar when you think that a lot of executions happen in a few states.
jamesrage said:I would think that if these execution sentences were racist, I would think that these case would have the same judge,jury and DA to support the idea that the death penalty is racist.
millsy said:Actually, that's the point. It's not just one judge, one district attorney, it is in fact the entire system. If it were just one judge, or one attorney I should have titled the thread, John Doe of the So and So's District Attorney's office, is a racist.
jamesrage said:How can you make such claims if the execution sentences are handed out by different judges,different juries and different DAs?
millsy said:There's no question that it is a huge concern and needs to be dealt with.
Of the hip I would say a big reason for that is the location of poor people. Poor white people largely live in rural areas which are predominantly white. Poor black people live in urban areas where they are surrounded by wealth.
Your numbers 85 to 15
let's say they are accurate for murder as well.
Since 1976 209 blacks have been sentenced to death compared to 12 whites for interracial killings.
that's approx. 94 to 6.
That's not even close to proportional.
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