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THE CONSERVATIVE EXCUSES FOR SELFISHNESS

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Admittedly a bit dated, and if space allows, I am going to post the entire article, because it has some interesting observations:

Posted on October 6, 2021

What are conservatives thinking when they say, with colossal irony, “my body, my choice”? How do they justify going unvaccinated and maskless when vaccines and masks are extremely protective and practically free?

The answer is, conservative “thought” has devolved to pure selfishness, even when what they want is not actually to their benefit. They will, of course, claim their position is a defense of “rights” while simultaneously absolving themselves of responsibilities.

But when are political and legal “rights” at stake? Only in limited situations. Rights are either fundamental, like constitutional or human rights, or they are granted by statute.

Fundamental rights include freedom of speech, religion, and association; the right to privacy; the rights of the accused; and the right of all citizens to vote. Statutory rights include most situations where people can file suit; protections against discrimination; most remedies for employees, consumers, homeowners and healthcare patients; and nearly every economic situation that individuals can enforce.

When conservatives wail that government action violates their “rights” or “freedoms,” they’re almost always claiming that it’s a matter of fundamental rights—because if they actually had some statutory right, conservative groups would step in and help them.

In fact, there is no fundamental right to go unvaccinated or maskless when the government has a legitimate public health reason to require vaccine or masks. This is for the same reason that there is no fundamental right to drive while intoxicated or impaired; sell adulterated medicines, spoiled groceries or dangerous toys; pollute our air, water or soil; and practice medicine, dentistry or law without a license.

The underlying reason for government requirements is to protect other people—the common good. It’s not about an individual accepting the risk of getting COVID, just as it’s not a matter of such a person accepting the risk of hurting her/himself while drunk driving. It’s about protecting other people in the community, of course.

A bit more subtle than the average conservative excuse, is George Will’s recent essay “The pursuit of happiness is happiness.” Referring to the Declaration of Independence, Will says “the United States…is founded on…the proposition that people should be free to pursue happiness as they define it.”

And yet, Jefferson could not have meant that everyone has a God-given right to do whatever makes them happy, (what George Will implies). Too many of today’s conservatives define happiness as unbridled discrimination and pollution, unfair business practices, and guns everywhere. The “pursuit of happiness” cannot mean that the self-serving are free to run roughshod over the common good.

In fact, George Will is reading our founding philosophy the same way conservatives read the Second Amendment – by ignoring an earlier part of the same sentence, which in this case proclaims that “all men are created equal.” Read the whole sentence and it becomes clear that Jefferson was not saying people have an unchecked right to pursue happiness, they have an equal right to do so. In today’s language, we’d call that equal opportunity.

Contemporary conservative thinking, at best, is based on this linguistic sleight-of-hand; it’s all about promoting the happiness of a few to the detriment of the many.

Hmmm, it DID all fit into the space allowed :)
 
ALL CAPS MAKES WHAT i SAY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go to the link and you will see that the title of the article is all caps. Talk about finding something to whine about before you even get into the topic!! :cautious:
 
Go to the link and you will see that the title of the article is all caps. Talk about finding something to whine about before you even get into the topic!! :cautious:
Your link will sadly be far over the heads of our resident conservatives, but it makes a lot of sense to me.
 
That piece is riddled with errors. However this is, um, interesting:

The underlying reason for government requirements is to protect other people—the common good.

That's completely false. The regulatory state is controlled by special interest groups, and the last thing they care about is the common good.
 
Admittedly a bit dated, and if space allows, I am going to post the entire article, because it has some interesting observations:



Hmmm, it DID all fit into the space allowed :)
Yeah...that article IS dated...and pretty much useless.

The basis for the mental gymnastics in that article are predicated on 1) Masks being effective and 2) Vaccines being effective. We know now that's just not true.

I think that writer needs to find something else that he wants the government to force down people's throats and update his article accordingly.

In the meantime, we can keep opposing the government imposing mandates on the American people...for their own good.
 
Yeah...that article IS dated...and pretty much useless.

The basis for the mental gymnastics in that article are predicated on 1) Masks being effective and 2) Vaccines being effective. We know now that's just not true.

I think that writer needs to find something else that he wants the government to force down people's throats and update his article accordingly.

In the meantime, we can keep opposing the government imposing mandates on the American people...for their own good.
How do we 'know' that? I'm currently working a contract in a different 1st world country that went hard on masks and vaccines. Their covid death rate is 20% of that in the US. Just a coincidence I guess?? All those little 'studies' by groups with their own agendas will obviously be more accurate than the actual experience of an entire nation?
 
Admittedly a bit dated, and if space allows, I am going to post the entire article, because it has some interesting observations:



Hmmm, it DID all fit into the space allowed :)
"Dated" is right - but not for the reason you assume.

From the article:

In fact, there is no fundamental right to go unvaccinated or maskless when the government has a legitimate public health reason to require vaccine or masks. This is for the same reason that there is no fundamental right to drive while intoxicated or impaired; sell adulterated medicines, spoiled groceries or dangerous toys; pollute our air, water or soil; and practice medicine, dentistry or law without a license.​

The brazenness of equating not believing in vaccinations or believing the truth that masks are utterly worthless with drunk driving, selling adulterated medicines, spoiled groceries, or dangerous toys, pollution and practicing dentistry or law without a license is the very epitome of brutish hubris and sophistry.

This opinion piece - by a supposedly "nonpartisan policy and leadership center organized to raise public awareness on key issues of equity and justice and to develop public leaders who will improve the economic and social conditions of all Americans" - is clearly anything but nonpartisan, blatantly attacking in perfectly leftist partisan fashion conservatives, and that to label them "selfish" for believing in something clearly anathema to the left's core ideology, and let's be perfectly honest and just say it - their god - which happens to be government.

In fact, one could fill a BS bingo card with all the glaringly obvious keywords used in the piece as proof alone of their extreme bias. "Organized," "awareness," "equity," "justice," "economic & social conditions..." Indeed, the very next line of the text quoted above is this:

The underlying reason for government requirements is to protect other people—the common good?

How perfectly apt a statement proving my point about the government being the left's god. To what do they appeal? The government - their government, at least as they view it.

And who alone believes the BS above? Leftists, to a tee, and to their core. This is their ABSOLUTE, government can do no wrong (unless of course led by anyone remotely right of their religious bent) - an ABSOLUTE second only to another of their absolutes, that THEY are never wrong.

And in perfect lockstep are the usual posters here agreeing with this crap - with all the usual down-the-nose airs and disdain for anyone who dare disagree with them.

Dated? Twas ever thus - this kind of BS from devoted government-worshiping minions.
 
You don't know any republicans who are mostly selfless? Can you tell a conservative by the car they drive? The food they eat? The school they went to? Their occupation? Who they married? I'm from a large family, some of us are conservative some liberal, one extremely liberal. We all have families, have raised kids, lived through Covid buried two parents. We all worked for a living are law abiding. We have political differences but otherwise we're mostly the same. The notion conservatives are bad people and liberals are good people is absurd. Each group has plenty of both.
 
"Dated" is right - but not for the reason you assume.

From the article:

In fact, there is no fundamental right to go unvaccinated or maskless when the government has a legitimate public health reason to require vaccine or masks. This is for the same reason that there is no fundamental right to drive while intoxicated or impaired; sell adulterated medicines, spoiled groceries or dangerous toys; pollute our air, water or soil; and practice medicine, dentistry or law without a license.​

The brazenness of equating not believing in vaccinations or believing the truth that masks are utterly worthless with drunk driving, selling adulterated medicines, spoiled groceries, or dangerous toys, pollution and practicing dentistry or law without a license is the very epitome of brutish hubris and sophistry.

This opinion piece - by a supposedly "nonpartisan policy and leadership center organized to raise public awareness on key issues of equity and justice and to develop public leaders who will improve the economic and social conditions of all Americans" - is clearly anything but nonpartisan, blatantly attacking in perfectly leftist partisan fashion conservatives, and that to label them "selfish" for believing in something clearly anathema to the left's core ideology, and let's be perfectly honest and just say it - their god - which happens to be government.

In fact, one could fill a BS bingo card with all the glaringly obvious keywords used in the piece as proof alone of their extreme bias. "Organized," "awareness," "equity," "justice," "economic & social conditions..." Indeed, the very next line of the text quoted above is this:

The underlying reason for government requirements is to protect other people—the common good?

How perfectly apt a statement proving my point about the government being the left's god. To what do they appeal? The government - their government, at least as they view it.

And who alone believes the BS above? Leftists, to a tee, and to their core. This is their ABSOLUTE, government can do no wrong (unless of course led by anyone remotely right of their religious bent) - an ABSOLUTE second only to another of their absolutes, that THEY are never wrong.

And in perfect lockstep are the usual posters here agreeing with this crap - with all the usual down-the-nose airs and disdain for anyone who dare disagree with them.

Dated? Twas ever thus - this kind of BS from devoted government-worshiping minions.
Let me guess, you didn't agree with the article? :rolleyes:
 
Yeah...that article IS dated...and pretty much useless.

The basis for the mental gymnastics in that article are predicated on 1) Masks being effective and 2) Vaccines being effective. We know now that's just not true.

I think that writer needs to find something else that he wants the government to force down people's throats and update his article accordingly.

In the meantime, we can keep opposing the government imposing mandates on the American people...for their own good
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You don't know any republicans who are mostly selfless? Can you tell a conservative by the car they drive? The food they eat? The school they went to? Their occupation? Who they married? I'm from a large family, some of us are conservative some liberal, one extremely liberal. We all have families, have raised kids, lived through Covid buried two parents. We all worked for a living are law abiding. We have political differences but otherwise we're mostly the same. The notion conservatives are bad people and liberals are good people is absurd. Each group has plenty of both.
Unfortunately conservatives have largely been co-opted by the far right and Trumpism. Notice, within the article posted, this part:
Contemporary conservative thinking,
Conservativism used to be about morality, decency, and respect for your fellow man. Do you believe contemporary conservatives still aspire to morality, decency and respect? IF YOU DO BELIEVE THEY DO, how do you reconcile this:

Top Republicans remain silent over George Santos campaign lies​

 
Lemme guess, you have nothing remotely intelligent to add?
Let me guess, you have to make a snide personal remark to soothe your ego?

Psst, I know folks like you. They get personal when the argument doesn't go the way they want it to go. Fair enough. I also know something else about your ilk. YOU will want to get the last word in because NOT getting the last word in will diminish your sense of self importance. SO tell you what - I PROMISE not to rebut your next comment to me so you can feel like you have won the argument and feel good about yourself. Just do me a favor and make it really nasty. Cheers.
 
Unfortunately conservatives have largely been co-opted by the far right and Trumpism. Notice, within the article posted, this part:
Conservativism used to be about morality, decency, and respect for your fellow man. Do you believe contemporary conservatives still aspire to morality, decency and respect? IF YOU DO BELIEVE THEY DO, how do you reconcile this:

Top Republicans remain silent over George Santos campaign lies​

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"Dated" is right - but not for the reason you assume.

From the article:

In fact, there is no fundamental right to go unvaccinated or maskless when the government has a legitimate public health reason to require vaccine or masks. This is for the same reason that there is no fundamental right to drive while intoxicated or impaired; sell adulterated medicines, spoiled groceries or dangerous toys; pollute our air, water or soil; and practice medicine, dentistry or law without a license.​

The brazenness of equating not believing in vaccinations or believing the truth that masks are utterly worthless with drunk driving, selling adulterated medicines, spoiled groceries, or dangerous toys, pollution and practicing dentistry or law without a license is the very epitome of brutish hubris and sophistry.

This opinion piece - by a supposedly "nonpartisan policy and leadership center organized to raise public awareness on key issues of equity and justice and to develop public leaders who will improve the economic and social conditions of all Americans" - is clearly anything but nonpartisan, blatantly attacking in perfectly leftist partisan fashion conservatives, and that to label them "selfish" for believing in something clearly anathema to the left's core ideology, and let's be perfectly honest and just say it - their god - which happens to be government.

In fact, one could fill a BS bingo card with all the glaringly obvious keywords used in the piece as proof alone of their extreme bias. "Organized," "awareness," "equity," "justice," "economic & social conditions..." Indeed, the very next line of the text quoted above is this:

The underlying reason for government requirements is to protect other people—the common good?

How perfectly apt a statement proving my point about the government being the left's god. To what do they appeal? The government - their government, at least as they view it.

And who alone believes the BS above? Leftists, to a tee, and to their core. This is their ABSOLUTE, government can do no wrong (unless of course led by anyone remotely right of their religious bent) - an ABSOLUTE second only to another of their absolutes, that THEY are never wrong.

And in perfect lockstep are the usual posters here agreeing with this crap - with all the usual down-the-nose airs and disdain for anyone who dare disagree with them.

Dated? Twas ever thus - this kind of BS from devoted government-worshiping minions.
Really!! You have to ask "To what do they appeal? "

Apparently I just wasted my time reading the thoughts of someone who has no clue why we vote and elect politicians.
 
Unfortunately conservatives have largely been co-opted by the far right and Trumpism. Notice, within the article posted, this part:

Conservativism used to be about morality, decency, and respect for your fellow man. Do you believe contemporary conservatives still aspire to morality, decency and respect? IF YOU DO BELIEVE THEY DO, how do you reconcile this:

Top Republicans remain silent over George Santos campaign lies​


Are you suggesting this is hypocritical behavior for a conservative but something we should expect from a liberal? Are you suggesting liberals don't believe in morality, decency, and respect for your fellow people therefore we can't hold them accountable for such behavior? There is no reconciliation hopefully he'll be voted out or tossed out.
 
Really!! You have to ask "To what do they appeal? "

Apparently I just wasted my time reading the thoughts of someone who has no clue why we vote and elect politicians.
Good grief. I didn't "ask" 'to what do they appeal?' - it was rhetorical, and I provided the answer. smh

Apparently, reading in general is a complete waste of your time, for all the good it did you here.
 
Are you suggesting this is hypocritical behavior for a conservative but something we should expect from a liberal?
Nope, I am suggesting this is hypocritical behavior we can expect from a conservative but something we shouldn't expect from a liberal. :ROFLMAO:
 
Nope, I am suggesting this is hypocritical behavior we can expect from a conservative but something we shouldn't expect from a liberal. :ROFLMAO:
Your expectations have been dashed innumerable times...
 
Your expectations have been dashed innumerable times...
Really? I would say watch the behavior of the Republican party, particularly the Trump branch of the party, but asking you to watch their behavior would be assuming you had an open mind and some degree of sagacity.
 
“there is no fundamental right to go unvaccinated or maskless when the government has a legitimate public health reason to require vaccine or masks.”

That about sums it up.
 
Really? I would say watch the behavior of the Republican party, particularly the Trump branch of the party, but asking you to watch their behavior would be assuming you had an open mind and some degree of sagacity.
You are saying that you have an open mind? I thought the purpose of this board was to discuss politics. Your only purpose
seems to be in telling those on the right what lousy people you think they are. Over and over, this is all you do.
Anyone that actually tries to discuss something substantive you label as triggered or upset. It's a neat trick, but people seem to be on to you.
 
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