The Confederate Flag

[Divine_Wind]

LOL, don't be ridiculous. I never did anything like that. I used your exact argument, just with a different country's flags.



You are the one doing that. Not only by using such an argument, but by then defending it after someone has exposed it's hypocrisy.

You did. You had a host of nations to choose and you chose the Third Reich in which to compare the Confederacy. You're not the first and you won't be the last. It's a common meme among Liberals in their efforts to push LW elitism and denigrate the Southern states.

 

[marke]

For all your religious preaching, how is it I know the bible better than you?

Your god tells you where to got to get your slaves, and that it's OK to beat them to death, so long as they don't die in the first day or two.

Perhaps you are more knowledgeable about Old Testament law than me but I don't focus on OT law for my Christian direction outside the Jewish religion.

 

[Irredentist]

Wow! I didn't know it was possible to put some much distorted history into a couple of paragraphs.

Sorry to bust your cute little PC bubble but Lincoln didn't invade the South to end slavery.

Second, the Confederate Army was much better led and with far better soldiers than the Union. The reason the South lost was for the same reason Germany and Japan lost in WWII; American industrial power. The Union was better equipped and supplied than the South. As the Union Army burned and destroyed everything in their path invading the South, this situation worsened until the South could no longer sustain an army.

Why do you think the south had "better soldiers"? Better how? They certainly were not better equipped or trained. Better morale in some cases? Possibly, but the north also had high morale. Confederate troops were conscripts whereas Union troops were majority volunteers. I will agree that the south got the better generals, but the Union eventually found their winning set. Grant, Sheridan, and Sherman were good generals who understood modern war.

 

[marke]

My point is that your notion that "secularists" and not Christians were responsible for evil is dead wrong.

I admit there have been secularists in government, like Janet Napolitano, who stupidly thought the real danger to Americans were not the Muslim radical jihadists, but Bible believing conservative law-abiding Christians.

 

[Divine_Wind]

The Confederates were traitors and their flag is a traitor's flag. The Confederates hated America more than ISIS.

Awesome. Not only another Far Left distortion of history, but you've created an even bigger wedge to divide Americans! Kudos.

Tell your handlers, whomever they may be, that the Confederates were no more traitors than Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and the rest of our Founders.

 

[marke]

What should Southerners be proud of?

Getting their ass kicked during the Civil War? Defending slavery?

Let those who rejoice rejoice in the Lord, not in men or in groups of men.

 

[JustHanging]

Perhaps you are more knowledgeable about Old Testament law than me but I don't focus on OT law for my Christian direction outside the Jewish religion.

Jesus said OT law applies today. You better get your act together in a big hurry, or you're going to be burning in Hell for all eternity. You can thank me for teaching you about the NT later.

Matthew 5:18
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.


Or are you going to argue that the earth has disappeared?

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

When I think of Southern Pride it’s about enjoying the simpler things like shucking corn on the front porch in a rocking chair, using a cane pole at a pond, being more courteous to people, self reliant mentality, taking things a little slower.

OK. Fair enough. I don't think Southerners need an offensive flag that represents racism and intolerance for that.

 

[marke]

The Confederate flag has a deeply racist meaning and it is no surprise that it is being embraced by neonazis and skinheads in Germany, as substitute for the swastika.

The flag can be treated with disdain, like some American ball players treat the US Flag.

 

[marke]

Including the proud boys that are a militant right winged Christians?

There are misguided boys doing stupid things in the name of Christ. We are not embarrassed to admit that fact.

 

[JustHanging]

You did. You had a host of nations to choose and you chose the Third Reich in which to compare the Confederacy.

Yeah, the confederate flag was used to defend slavery, so it seemed apropos.

You're not the first and you won't be the last.

I'm sure I won't be. The Confederate Flag will always be lumped in with the Swastika as it is associated with defending something evil: Slavery.

It's a common meme among Liberals in their efforts to push LW elitism and denigrate the Southern states.

You're wrong. It's a common meme used among those who stand against all forms of racism. That's what happens when a flag is used to defend slavery.


EDIT: Explain to me the difference between your stated purpose of using the two Confederate flags, and a German using the two German flags for your stated purpose.

 

[marke]

Jesus said OT law applies today. You better get your act together in a big hurry, or you're going to be burning in Hell for all eternity. You can thank me for teaching you about the NT later.

Matthew 5:18
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.


Or are you going to argue that the earth has disappeared?

No. I don't try to argue with people who believe their misunderstanding of the Bible is irrefutable.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Why do you think the south had "better soldiers"? Better how? They certainly were not better equipped or trained. Better morale in some cases? Possibly, but the north also had high morale. Confederate troops were conscripts whereas Union troops were majority volunteers. I will agree that the south got the better generals, but the Union eventually found their winning set. Grant, Sheridan, and Sherman were good generals who understood modern war.

Because they were more rural in upbringing with better marksmanship and woodcraft skills. Yes, I mentioned the problem of equipment. I hope this isn't the first time you've heard of the Industrial North vs. the Agricultural South. If so, public schools are certainly failing in their history department these days.

Again, like WWII, industrial might wins for the simple reason that wars are won on logistics. Anti-Americans love to claim how the Soviets killed more Germans than the Americans, and that's true, but the Soviets did it with American supplied logistics. Without the US, the USSR would have collapsed due to starvation and a lack equipment such as trucks and aircraft. The key to the Allied strategy against Germany was destroying their supply chain; blowing up their oil refineries and ball-bearing factories. Without those the German war machine ground to a halt and Allied soldiers marched in and finished the job.

"Tactics may win battles but logistics wins wars"

“My logisticians are a humorless lot … they know if my campaign fails, they are the first ones I will slay.” – Alexander the Great

 

[JustHanging]

No. I don't try to argue with people who believe their misunderstanding of the Bible is irrefutable.

The words are very clear, OT law applies "Until (the) Earth disappears." The Earth hasn't disappeared.

Are you saying Jesus didn't know what he was talking about when he gave The Sermon On The Mount? Or are you saying Jesus was lying when he gave The Sermon On The Mount?

 

[apdst]

Just curious...what "Southern heritage" should Southerners be proud of?

Getting their ass kicked during the Civil War? Fighting for slavery?

What are northerners so proud of? Race riots? Child labor? The company store?

 

[apdst]

When I was young, one used to see “The South Will Rise Again”, often paired with “Lest We Forget”, usually accompanied by a cartoon of an elderly Confederate veteran holding a gun or a tattered Confederate flag printed on souvineers all the time. I think we had a “lest we forget” serving tray like that. I think it came from Stuckeys.

We shouldn't forget. Right?

 

[roguenuke]

Why would people advertise they are in favor of slavery? Isn't that the historical reference of the confederate flag? Oh wait, let me guess, it's all about states rights.

The right to own slaves.

No. Not all those states, those who rebelled were doing so simply to defend slavery. Some were defending states rights. I don't agree with them, but understand that history and individuals arent black and white. I grew up in the South. Even some black people will display the Confederate flag. Especially prior to the Internet. Which shows it definitely can mean different things to different people.

Ever watched the Dukes of Hazzard? Confederate flag on the roof of the car. Had nothing to do with them supporting either slavery or racism. It was rebellion. That was basically a major theme of the show. The main antagonists were the mayor and the sheriff, who were corrupt as hell. The protagonists were good ol' boys who were on probation for running moonshine for their Uncle. This was before the Internet, my generation grew up on that, seeing the flag as a symbol of rebellion.

Personally I thought it was stupid, but I never viewed it as racist growing up and see no reason to change that just because some people on both sides are idiots that either use it as a racist symbol or view any use/display of it as a racist symbol, completely disregarding intent and context.

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[Divine_Wind]

Yeah, the confederate flag was used to defend slavery, so it seemed apropos.

I'm sure I won't be. The Confederate Flag will always be lumped in with the Swastika as it is associated with defending something evil: Slavery.

You're wrong. It's a common meme used among those who stand against all forms of racism. That's what happens when a flag is used to defend slavery.

Thanks for confessing you lied when you posted this:

LOL, don't be ridiculous, I did no such thing....

It's the anti-Southern Left Wing that constantly compares Southerners to Nazis and claims the Confederate flag is only about slavery and, by their logic, all Southerners who defend the Confederate flags are low-down racists who deserve nothing better than to be treated like slaves.

 

[JustHanging]

What are northerners so proud of?

Hockey. Duh.

And Universal Healthcare. And having three of the ten most livable cities in the world. And being loved by the rest of the world.

It's great being Canadian.

 

[Irredentist]

Because they were more rural in upbringing with better marksmanship and woodcraft skills. Yes, I mentioned the problem of equipment. I hope this isn't the first time you've heard of the Industrial North vs. the Agricultural South. If so, public schools are certainly failing in their history department these days.

Again, like WWII, industrial might wins for the simple reason that wars are won on logistics. Anti-Americans love to claim how the Soviets killed more Germans than the Americans, and that's true, but the Soviets did it with American supplied logistics. Without the US, the USSR would have collapsed due to starvation and a lack equipment such as trucks and aircraft. The key to the Allied strategy against Germany was destroying their supply chain; blowing up their oil refineries and ball-bearing factories. Without those the German war machine ground to a halt and Allied soldiers marched in and finished the job.

"Tactics may win battles but logistics wins wars"

“My logisticians are a humorless lot … they know if my campaign fails, they are the first ones I will slay.” – Alexander the Great

Unfortunately the popular understanding of the "industrial north" isn't quite accurate. The North was still very much agricultural. In fact it had more farmland than the South did. But the north was ALSO much more industrialized and populous, and most importantly had a sophisticated RAILROAD network. And also DIDN'T have millions of possibly rebellious SLAVES that they had to keep men at home to guard.

 

[JustHanging]

Thanks for confessing you lied when you posted this:

Now you're being untruthful.

Explain to me how pointing out that both the Confederate flag and the Swastika flag are associated with evils is comparing 1/2 of America to the Third Reich.

Incorrect, but thanks for comparing half of American to the Third Reich.

Seriously dude, you're better than this. Someone pointed out your actions weren't cool. Not cool at all. In a way you couldn't help but understand. Instead of being angry, learn from it.

 

[apdst]

Hockey. Duh.

And Universal Healthcare. And having three of the ten most livable cities in the world. And being loved by the rest of the world.

It's great being Canadian.

You aren't ashamed of your racist history? Your genocide?

 

[Chillfolks]

OK. Fair enough. I don't think Southerners need an offensive flag that represents racism and intolerance for that.

Not everyone sees the flag as offensive or representative of racism or intolerance. Just because that’s what you see doesn’t mean that someone else can’t see it representative of something totally different. You shouldn’t be forced to view it their way anymore than they should be forced to view it your way.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Wow! I didn't know it was possible to put some much distorted history into a couple of paragraphs.

Sorry to bust your cute little PC bubble but Lincoln didn't invade the South to end slavery.

Second, the Confederate Army was much better led and with far better soldiers than the Union. The reason the South lost was for the same reason Germany and Japan lost in WWII; American industrial power. The Union was better equipped and supplied than the South. As the Union Army burned and destroyed everything in their path invading the South, this situation worsened until the South could no longer sustain an army.

I know slavery was not why the North fought -- Southern insurrection was why the North fought.

However, slavery is the reason why the South seceded. The South seceded because Lincoln was elected President in 1860. Lincoln was a Republican and the Republican Party wanted to end slavery.

Lee and Davis were both god awful. In fact, if you switched Lincoln and Grant with Davis and Lee, the South would have won the war.

Being better equipped and supplied means nothing. History has proven this time and again. England was better equipped and supplied during the Revolutionary War. The U.S. was better equipped and supplied during the Vietnam War. That's a poor excuse for the South's horrible overall strategy for fighting the war.

Lee destroyed his army both at Antietam in 1862 and at Gettysburg in 1863. Both invasions of the North were stupid as hell. If Union General McClellan had been more aggressive at Antietam, he could have forced Lee's surrender during that battle. Lee's army was trapped with their backs to the Potomac River. If Grant was in charge of Union forces at the time, Lee would have surrendered at Antietam in 1862. And then Southern "heritage" would be ridiculing Lee the same way General Custer is now ridiculed.

This should have been the strategy of Davis and Lee during the whole war -- Fight a defensive war and make the war last as long as possible. That way, Lincoln probably doesn't get re-elected in 1864 and then the new President negotiates a peace settlement with the Confederacy.

Because of the North's success at Gettysburg (due to Lee's idiocy) and then the surrender of Atlanta in 1864 (also an indirect result of Gettysburg), Lincoln won re-election and the rest, they say, is history. However, if both Davis and Lee were smarter and avoided stupid offensive attacks, history could have been very different.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Not everyone sees the flag as offensive or representative of racism or intolerance. Just because that’s what you see doesn’t mean that someone else can’t see it representative of something totally different. You shouldn’t be forced to view it their way anymore than they should be forced to view it your way.

You could say the exact same thing about the Nazi flag.