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The case for compulsory vaccinations is dead…Omicron just killed it.

I’m assuming you mean infection. You either have Covid or you don’t. Transmission routes don’t change.
You're less likely to transmit if you're less likely to get symptoms and cough all over people, and for a shorter period of time. Yes vaccinations reduce transmission.
 
I disagree. Imo, the need to procreate the species is a part of any living thing.

I do agree that there is no intent or choice, and that the multitude of generations in a short time is why we 'see' mutations in real time (even though we don't see the mutations that are not effective
Viruses are not 'living' in the true sense of the word.
 
Viruses are not 'living' in the true sense of the word.
They are more of a grey area, between living and nonliving as they do exhibit most required qualities of life. They lack a few, yes. But they also do not fit into the category of nonliving either, as no other nonliving thing exhibits the same qualities that viruses have.

 
I don’t think you can call viruses “living things” by strict definition. I think of them as strands of DNA or RNA that developed by chance. They are comprised of cells.

“The term living thing refers to things that are now or once were alive. A non-living thing is anything that was never alive. In order for something to be classified as living, it must grow and develop, use energy, reproduce, be made of cells, respond to its environment, and adapt.”
Fair enough, the basic drive of any organism is procreation of the line. (If it wasn't, why would it mutate?)
 
Fair enough, the basic drive of any organism is procreation of the line. (If it wasn't, why would it mutate?)
Why would it mutate? This is in the category of "shit happens". Nature makes mistakes. Thats how evolution works, through successful mutations. Although only about .1% of mutations result in giving the organism a competitive advantage its enough to drive evolution. And it doesn't really take eons to accomplish it since mutations are happening all the time. We tend to think of evolution as something that happens over hundreds of thousands of years, but that is not always the case. See the example below. In response to our rapidly changing environment I would expect evolution to keep pace fairly well.

In 1971, several pairs of Italian wall lizards were moved from one island off the coast of Croatia to another. When war broke out, the scientists that were in charge of the project couldn’t go back. The lizards have had four decades of unmonitored growth and development. Those original five pairs have spawned a population in the thousands (confirmed by DNA testing).

There had been a native lizard population, but those less aggressive lizards were gone. The immigrant lizards hadn’t just taken over: They had also developed extra muscles in their intestinal tract to allow them to successfully digest and survive on a vegetarian diet that they hadn’t been accustomed to previously. Their gut structure changed to process vegetarian material. The lizard’s bite had evolved to more easily bite and chew leaves, and that had also changed the structure and size of their heads.

These changes occurred in only about 30 generations of lizards.


 
Case by case is precisely a non mandates approach.
You proposed NEVER mandating vaccinations
A case by case approach means we would mandate vaccinations whenever we thought it was a good idea.
 
Give me the stats of all those under 21 hospitalized for Covid.
Why?

No one has brought that up.

What's at issue is the fact that spending weeks in the hospital is utterly ignored as a consequence of COVID-19 when you exclusively focus just on the folks who die.
 
Six out of ten Americans think mandates are a good idea:




Only covidiots don’t think they are a good idea, and no one cares about them.
Well you are talking about health care workers...and I even find myself maybe agree with that (given how the pandemic is going and special considerstions)

But Austria went further...

If you are not vaxed (anyone): fines or possibly jail...

Even most ethics philosophers disagree with this insanity...

Austria seems just to hsve gone full insane
 
Why?

No one has brought that up.

What's at issue is the fact that spending weeks in the hospital is utterly ignored as a consequence of COVID-19 when you exclusively focus just on the folks who die.
Well you are talking about health care workers...and I even find myself maybe agree with that (given how the pandemic is going and special considerstions)

But Austria went further...

If you are not vaxed (anyone): fines or possibly jail...

Even most ethics philosophers disagree with this insanity...

Austria seems just to hsve gone full insane
That's the point. How many people under 21 spend time in a Covid ward?
 
Well you are talking about health care workers...and I even find myself maybe agree with that (given how the pandemic is going and special considerstions)

But Austria went further...

If you are not vaxed (anyone): fines or possibly jail...

Even most ethics philosophers disagree with this insanity...

Austria seems just to hsve gone full insane
You absolutely can’t have infected nurses and doctors caring for people who are already sick. That’s just asking for trouble.
Everyone else has multiple options to avoid getting vaccinated if they are foolish enough to make that choice.
 
You absolutely can’t have infected nurses and doctors caring for people who are already sick. That’s just asking for trouble.
Everyone else has multiple options to avoid getting vaccinated if they are foolish enough to make that choice.
Sure...

I was just talking about austria (not some country but one in western europe)

Who mandates it for EVERYBODY
 
Sure...

I was just talking about austria (not some country but one in western europe)

Who mandates it for EVERYBODY
What are the consequences if someone refuses to get vaccinated in Austria? Some will.
My guess is that they won’t hold people down and inject them.
Found it. While I understand the logic of what Austria (and Greece btw) are doing and would have no objection if fines were issued for recalcitrant covidiots here (as they were during the smallpox epidemic here) I would prefer a softer approach: just keep these people away from others so they can’t do damage to normal people. Issue passes (like Israel and other countries are doing) that allow only fully protected people into any public indoor place except for emergencies. This includes theaters, bars, restaurants, place of work, supermarkets-all indoor public places. And since their kids can be contagious they have to home school them.
No need for fines and prison as Austria is about to do.

“Those refusing to be vaccinated are likely to face administrative fines, which can be converted into a prison sentence if the fine cannot be recovered.”
 
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We can only hope the Democrats run out of Covid gas.
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They have just admitted that the “vaccines” could stop working the moment there is a new mutation. And viruses mutate a lot.

So, they know the vaccine’s don’t work very well, they know they will wear off, and they know any new mutations could stop them working completely.

The only thing they don’t know is what the long term side effects of the vaccines are, a fact admitted by Pfizer themselves in their supply contracts:


Now, here’s the all-purpose disclaimer: This is not admitting that Covid19 is dangerous, the pandemic real or in any other way endorsing the narrative.

The current narrative is that:

  • The vaccines do not confer immunity or prevent transmission.
  • What beneficial effect they do have wears off, they don’t know when.
  • They probably don’t protect against new variants or mutations.
  • The vaccines have unknown longterm side effects.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/

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What are the consequences if someone refuses to get vaccinated in Austria? Some will.
My guess is that they won’t hold people down and inject them.
Found it. While I understand the logic of what Austria (and Greece btw) are doing and would have no objection if fines were issued for recalcitrant covidiots here (as they were during the smallpox epidemic here) I would prefer a softer approach: just keep these people away from others so they can’t do damage to normal people. Issue passes (like Israel and other countries are doing) that allow only fully protected people into any public indoor place except for emergencies. This includes theaters, bars, restaurants, place of work, supermarkets-all indoor public places. And since their kids can be contagious they have to home school them.
No need for fines and prison as Austria is about to do.

“Those refusing to be vaccinated are likely to face administrative fines, which can be converted into a prison sentence if the fine cannot be recovered.”
I do Not fundamentally disagree with that...really
 
I do Not fundamentally disagree with that...really
Meaning vaxxed people


But as well, as much as I disagree with the unvaxxed...it is called choice in a democracy....

I might be convinced
 
It was only a matter of time before the virus started killing itself, just like the Spanish flu.
 
Meaning vaxxed people


But as well, as much as I disagree with the unvaxxed...it is called choice in a democracy....

I might be convinced
There is always going to be a choice. No one is advocating mandatory forced injections. Just like we have laws that segregate cigarette smokers from non smokers to protect the non smokers from the known dangers of secondhand smoke we need to segregate the unvaccinated from the vaccinated because even the vaccinated can get infected. Not everyone has an adequate immune response to the vaccines-less than half of the people on immunosuppressive drugs respond with an adequate antibody level for example-and there are a LOT of those people out there. Kids under 5 can’t even get vaccinated yet. If I had a six month old or a four year old I certainly wouldn’t want her exposed to some idiot who refuses to get vaccinated for no reason other than “I don’t waaaana”.
Keep those people apart from normal cogent people. The current wave is primarily being driven by the unvaccinated.

The rights of their fist end where my nose begins-or my kids nose-or that of my dad on prednisone for his arthritis.
 
It was only a matter of time before the virus started killing itself, just like the Spanish flu.
When the ones susceptible are killed the virus has no more candidates and dies off.
 
When the ones susceptible are killed the virus has no more candidates and dies off.
It doesn't work like that. If it did, the globe would have been wiped out by the Black Death, or Ebola.

When fourth wave of the Spanish flu hit, there were still hundreds of millions who were suceptible. But, the virus did what viruses do: they kill themselves off.
 
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