The Blockade of Gaza[W:37]

[Fledermaus]

Re: The Blockade of Gaza

Nope. I don't support that and am actively speaking against ethnocentrism. The only realistic solution is a two state solution, but that has become next to impossible because of the massive expansionism by Israel into Palestinian land by literally importing everyone with a Jewish grandmother and subsidizing sending them into said disputed territory.

You're the only one of us that supports state controlled forced demographic changes of areas. You feel that genetics entitle people to swathes of land and the people who own the land now should be evicted if they don't have the right genotype. Totally disgusting racism.

You are literally no different than the people who believe god gave the US to white people only and their skin pigment entitles them to the land of minorities.

An awful lot of ASSuming as to my beliefs...

Please show where I have SUPPORTED "state controlled forced demographic changes of areas".

Please show where I have stated, inferred or implied "genetics entitle people to swathes of land and the people who own the land now should be evicted if they don't have the right genotype"

While you are at it please show where I have espoused the belief "god gave the US to white people only and their skin pigment entitles them to the land of minorities. "

 

[OldFatGuy]

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Pretty racist isn't it? That is LITERALLY the requirement to get free Israeli citizenship and relocation services by the government into settlements on disputed land. You just need a Jewish grandparent. That automatically makes you more deserving of the land than the Arabs who were born and raised there. Racist as ****, I know.

Judaism is not a race. Islam is not a race. Your opinions are meaningless to me.

I'm hoping AGAINST the zionists plan of ethnic cleansing of the west Bank. If you think imported "Jews" from the Ukraine are more deserving of the land than the Arabs that were born and raised there, you're a racist. Labeling all Palestinians as terrorists is a zionists tactic to delegitimize the nation of Palestine and their very real grievances. If 1/100th of the **** they're doing to Palestine Was being done to Americans by foreign occupiers, every redneck and their mama would be grabbing their guns and enacting extreme violence.

Your language choices, your lies proclaim your bigotry.

Today more than 1.5 million Arab muslims reside in Israel. At any given time, all have the option to leave, yet they stay and prefer the democratic government of Israel to the despotic muslim governments all other muslims not living in the west enjoy. Were Israel a practitioner of ethnic cleansing, there would be no muslim arabs in Israel. Instead, because Israel recognizes with sensitivity that were muslim Arab forced to serve in IDF as are all other Israeli citizens, they may find themselves on the battlefields fighting and killing relatives. Yet many muslims purposefully enlist in the IDF. Would a military force accept members of ethnic group it may one day have to destroy? Not a problem if the goal is not genocidal.

You wouldn't tolerate that being done to you so I don't know why you expect the Palestinians to just roll over and accept their domination.

The refugees have had the same option they've had since the day Israel was formed. Recognize Israel's right to exist, become partners with Israel, build a better life for all. That is not rolling over, that is a solution that raises all.

You are an arbiter of hate, carrying no judgment of peace. That is what rabid animals do. Bite every hand that comes near them.

 

[CJ 2.0]

The blockade surely counts as a collective punishment ( crime ) for the Palestinians voting , what those sole champions of democracy in the region the Israelis consider to be ( the irony ain't lost on me ) , the wrong way in free and fair elections.

The Palestinians do conduct/participate in votes/voting but the above tells us all a lot about under what circumstances they take place. Other interferences in Palestinian voting efforts by the state of Israel include widespread attempts and successes in harassments/detentions of candidates involved

So when we hear/see Israelis/Jews in the diaspora/supporters ( ? ) spouting about being the " only democracy in the ME " it's worth considering that they are not seeing as the Palestinians in Gaza held fair and free democratic elections themselves only to have the result turned into a stick with which to beat them by the very people who claim to be the champions of democracy ( Orwell to a tee )

Other human rights crimes committed by Israel ?



https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/04/israel-50-years-occupation-abuses

Yes this is the typical blaming Israel for responding to the Palestinians electing a rejectionist terrorist organization actively engaged in murdering Israeli civilians, as if the fact the Palestinians SUPPORT the murdering of Israelis means that Israel shouldn’t oppose the murderers.

It’s sheer an utter nonsense.




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[HowardBThiname]

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Nope. I don't support that and am actively speaking against ethnocentrism. The only realistic solution is a two state solution, but that has become next to impossible because of the massive expansionism by Israel into Palestinian land by literally importing everyone with a Jewish grandmother and subsidizing sending them into said disputed territory.

You're the only one of us that supports state controlled forced demographic changes of areas. You feel that genetics entitle people to swathes of land and the people who own the land now should be evicted if they don't have the right genotype. Totally disgusting racism.

You are literally no different than the people who believe god gave the US to white people only and their skin pigment entitles them to the land of minorities.

By the above emboldened, you must also feel that the Native Americans who are entitled to "swaths of land" via their "genotype," should give up the rights to that land so the rest of us can swarm in and take control.

What a bigoted idea.

 

[oneworld2]

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To you -- Israeli actions are always predatory.






Completely off analogy. Not even a good try.



You didn't hit a nerve. Your ideas are so far off in Left field they don't warrant an emotional response.

Not at all.

Take the building of the "Security Fence / Annexation Wall " for instance

Where it sticks to the border I have absolutely no issue with , where it strays into Palestinian territory and seeks to annexe at some point in the future I object.


For you there is no Palestinian territory in the WB because you believe that might is right and laws don't matter ( or rather they do but only selectively ) so none of the settlers are illegals. This viewpoint is the minority viewpoint and shows , as if it were necessary , that you don't even want to try to apply the same standards to both sides and only want to refer to laws as and when it suits your purposes.

The racism is self evident

Israelis have a right to a territory of their own but the Palestinians should give up many of their rights before or in order for them to have their own state

The right of return is fine for Jews but not for Palestinians

Israel has the right to break the laws of the treaties it signed up to but the Palestinians are wretched for breaking laws

Israelis have a right to self defence but the Palestinians don't

Targeted assassinations of Palestinians is fine but rocket fire from Gaza is not

Palestinians are prolific employers of human shields , contrary to the evidence , but Israelis are not despite the evidence

Israeli election results are fine but Palestinians should vote for whom outsiders want them to vote for and that it's right that they be punished if they stray from this dictatorship from without

The list goes on and on

As for the analogy I gave it's absolutely right and that's why you never elaborated imo Israelis are occupying and abusing Palestinians en masse not the other way around

Of course I hit a nerve . That's why you chose to make that ridiculous comment about me wishing , like Hamas , for the destruction of Israel. Good luck finding evidence of that without having to bend and twist my words and views

 

[RabidAlpaca]

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Judaism is not a race. Islam is not a race. Your opinions are meaningless to me.



Your language choices, your lies proclaim your bigotry.

Today more than 1.5 million Arab muslims reside in Israel. At any given time, all have the option to leave, yet they stay and prefer the democratic government of Israel to the despotic muslim governments all other muslims not living in the west enjoy. Were Israel a practitioner of ethnic cleansing, there would be no muslim arabs in Israel. Instead, because Israel recognizes with sensitivity that were muslim Arab forced to serve in IDF as are all other Israeli citizens, they may find themselves on the battlefields fighting and killing relatives. Yet many muslims purposefully enlist in the IDF. Would a military force accept members of ethnic group it may one day have to destroy? Not a problem if the goal is not genocidal.



The refugees have had the same option they've had since the day Israel was formed. Recognize Israel's right to exist, become partners with Israel, build a better life for all. That is not rolling over, that is a solution that raises all.

You are an arbiter of hate, carrying no judgment of peace. That is what rabid animals do. Bite every hand that comes near them.

Jewish is an ethnic group and that is the criteria used for free citizenship in Israel and support from the government to be sent into Palestinian land as settlers for forced demographic change. If Israel believed Arabs and Jews were equal, as I believe, they wouldn't have racist immigration policies and wouldn't have built an ethnocentric state. For them it very much is about race.

Hilarious that you think that I, the guy who thinks Arabs and Jews are equal and should coexist, is the arbiter of hate, but the Israelis who subjugate the Palestinians and gobble up their land as they petition the world not to recognize their country isn't. You clearly support their ethnocentric agenda.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

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By the above emboldened, you must also feel that the Native Americans who are entitled to "swaths of land" via their "genotype," should give up the rights to that land so the rest of us can swarm in and take control.

What a bigoted idea.

I don't think they ever should've been driven from their land based on their genotypes in the first place. The reservations aren't their land, it's the mostly ****ty swathes of land we forced them onto. Talk about bigoted!

 

[oneworld2]

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Yes this is the typical blaming Israel for responding to the Palestinians electing a rejectionist terrorist organization actively engaged in murdering Israeli civilians, as if the fact the Palestinians SUPPORT the murdering of Israelis means that Israel shouldn’t oppose the murderers.

It’s sheer an utter nonsense.




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Israel "responded "with an illegal collective punishment remember when there were and are other choices

I get it , democracy is okay for Israelis but not for Palestinians. I will remind you the next time you preen about how Israel is the " only democracy in the ME " just how wrong and hypocritical that notion is

The Likud platform has stated that there will not be an " additional " Palestinians state ( read Jordan is already Palestine ) between the Jordan Valley and the sea but nobody has considered this rejectionist/state denying rights abuse worthy of disqualifying them as the legitimate government of Israel or called for them to be removed from the subject of any Two State negotiations.

If Hamas are illegitimate because they might still seek to reclaim all of mandate Palestine thus denying Jewish autonomy why are Likud legitimate seeing as they are still denying Palestinian autonomy in their own state ?

Just look at how many innocent Palestinian civilians have been killed in attacks by the IDF since Likud have been in power. Why do Jewish lives matter more than Palestinians ones ?

And if killing civilians is an automatic suspension from the political scene there how is it that Likud is still considered a legitimate player whilst having killed vastly more innocent Palestinian civilians than Hamas has killed innocent Israeli citizens ?

As I said to the other poster I fully recognize that Israel has the right to defend itself/people but by being an occupier and denying Palestinian rights on a grand scale it is defending itself in the same way a rapist might defend themselves............... from the flailing arm assaults of the person they are violating.

 

[PoS]

Re: The Blockade of Gaza

Of course they don't have voting rights, they are not citizens of Israel. And they are enemies of Israel. Blockades are not genocide.

I never mentioned Isreal committing genocide, they are violating international law. If you think every Palestinian man, woman, and child is an "enemy" then thats you.

Ah yes, the boogeyman for arguments, international law, with no teeth, no enforcement and no one caring who finds it inconvenient. Doesn't carry any weight with anyone.

The only ones who dismiss international law are rogue states like North Korea, tyrants, and terrorists. Welcome to the club.

You have exposed nothing. You have assumed much. I am not Christian, Jewish nor muslim.

I dont care what you are. Anyone who espouses the rule of the gun over basic human rights has no morals.

Will you accept a wiki over UN records?

UN records? The UN itself says that the Isrealis are illegally occupying land. First you dismiss international law, then now youre espousing UN records? Total hypocrisy.

 

[CJ 2.0]

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Not at all.

Take the building of the "Security Fence / Annexation Wall " for instance

Where it sticks to the border I have absolutely no issue with , where it strays into Palestinian territory and seeks to annexe at some point in the future I object.


For you there is no Palestinian territory in the WB because you believe that might is right and laws don't matter ( or rather they do but only selectively ) so none of the settlers are illegals. This viewpoint is the minority viewpoint and shows , as if it were necessary , that you don't even want to try to apply the same standards to both sides and only want to refer to laws as and when it suits your purposes.

The racism is self evident

Israelis have a right to a territory of their own but the Palestinians should give up many of their rights before or in order for them to have their own state

The right of return is fine for Jews but not for Palestinians

Israel has the right to break the laws of the treaties it signed up to but the Palestinians are wretched for breaking laws

Israelis have a right to self defence but the Palestinians don't

Targeted assassinations of Palestinians is fine but rocket fire from Gaza is not

Palestinians are prolific employers of human shields , contrary to the evidence , but Israelis are not despite the evidence

Israeli election results are fine but Palestinians should vote for whom outsiders want them to vote for and that it's right that they be punished if they stray from this dictatorship from without

The list goes on and on

As for the analogy I gave it's absolutely right and that's why you never elaborated imo Israelis are occupying and abusing Palestinians en masse not the other way around

Of course I hit a nerve . That's why you chose to make that ridiculous comment about me wishing , like Hamas , for the destruction of Israel. Good luck finding evidence of that without having to bend and twist my words and views

I’ve got to say. There is a real lack of appreciation of the history, the geography, the topography and the cultural issues at play from the international anti-Israel folks. It impacts on everything that comes out against Israel.

And once again, go ahead and vote for a terrorist scumbag but don’t expect the people he is actively trying to murder to accept him as if he was barrack obama.




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[oneworld2]

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I’ve got to say. There is a real lack of appreciation of the history, the geography, the topography and the cultural issues at play from the international anti-Israel folks. It impacts on everything that comes out against Israel.

The lack of appreciation of all of those things is what colours most allegedly pro Israeli posters here and elsewhere imo

You thanked a post from one of them who didn't even know that Jordan wasn't part of the UN Partition Plan territorial decision. It doesn't matter how little they know it just counts that they defend Israeli actions/policies

And once again, go ahead and vote for a terrorist scumbag but don’t expect the people he is actively trying to murder to accept him as if he was barrack obama.

Whilst Palestinian terrorism is retail , Israeli state terrorism is wholesale so both sides have voted in those prepared to use terrorism as a political weapon with the murdering of innocent people on both sides being the result.

For you the Palestinians ONLY should be ostracised and vilified for doing so

 

[HowardBThiname]

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I don't think they ever should've been driven from their land based on their genotypes in the first place. The reservations aren't their land, it's the mostly ****ty swathes of land we forced them onto. Talk about bigoted!

But wait -- the ancestors of the Jews (Hebrews) had a lot more land way back when -- before they were run off by other people. You claim the Native Americans deserve their ancestral land -- but not the Jews.

That's messed up, dude.

No wonder you're so disjointed most of the time.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

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But wait -- the ancestors of the Jews (Hebrews) had a lot more land way back when -- before they were run off by other people. You claim the Native Americans deserve their ancestral land -- but not the Jews.

That's messed up, dude.

No wonder you're so disjointed most of the time.

Nope. Nobody deserves land based on their genetics. I just said we shouldn't have removed them from their land originally, not that everyone with a drop of native American blood gets special treats. Learn to read.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Re: The Blockade of Gaza

The lack of appreciation of all of those things is what colours most allegedly pro Israeli posters here and elsewhere imo

You thanked a post from one of them who didn't even know that Jordan wasn't part of the UN Partition Plan territorial decision. It doesn't matter how little they know it just counts that they defend Israeli actions/policies




Whilst Palestinian terrorism is retail , Israeli state terrorism is wholesale so both sides have voted in those prepared to use terrorism as a political weapon with the murdering of innocent people on both sides being the result.

For you the Palestinians ONLY should be ostracised and vilified for doing so

Have you ever been to Israel?

Ever seen the sea on one side north of Tel Aviv and the mountains on the other where Jordan placed its artillery (both easily visible with he naked eye)?

You ever sat in the Hula Valley and seen the mountains of Lebanon on one side and the Golan on the other and been shown where the artillery was placed to fire down on the farmers who reclaimed the swamps? You ever seen what the greenspace looked like before the Jews worked it and reclaimed it from desert?

Seen the burnt out tanks and the fortified positions used to fire on Jewish communities in the 40s?

The Palestinians could have had their own state 20 years ago. You guys won’t even open your eyes to what their leadership is actually fighting for, instead preferring to cling to deluded fictions.

It is sad and Israelis are 100% right to ignore all of you.


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[oneworld2]

Re: The Blockade of Gaza

Have you ever been to Israel?

Ever seen the sea on one side north of Tel Aviv and the mountains on the other where Jordan placed its artillery (both easily visible with he naked eye)?

You ever sat in the Hula Valley and seen the mountains of Lebanon on one side and the Golan on the other and been shown where the artillery was placed to fire down on the farmers who reclaimed the swamps? You ever seen what the greenspace looked like before the Jews worked it and reclaimed it from desert?

Seen the burnt out tanks and the fortified positions used to fire on Jewish communities in the 40s?

The Palestinians could have had their own state 20 years ago. You guys won’t even open your eyes to what their leadership is actually fighting for, instead preferring to cling to deluded fictions.

It is sad and Israelis are 100% right to ignore all of you.


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Ah the " you haven't been there so your points are based on ignorance " routine........... I'll take it that this was a better option than actually responding to the points made in my post.

No problem

 

[CJ 2.0]

Re: The Blockade of Gaza

Ah the " you haven't been there so your points are based on ignorance " routine........... I'll take it that this was a better option than actually responding to the points made in my post.

No problem

No seriously. It ties into the point about you guys not really getting it and just spouting anti-Israel invective. Your post suffered from the same issue they all do. They lack any actual awareness of the history, geography, topography, culture and reality of the region and show a profound misunderstanding of causation, the real issues, and workable solutions.

They end up doing ridiculous things like condemning the Jews for not “respecting the Palestinians’ democratic decision” to elect a terrorist organization dedicated to Israel’s destruction which uses civilian murder as its method of choice. And suggesting that you think Israel has a right to defend itself while not having any practical understanding of what that actually requires.

It is as far from reality-based as you can get, so I’m just asking if you have ever stood in the free country of Israel in these places and asked the real, working class people who are descendants of refugees from all over the middle east and Europe what they have had to deal with over the past 70 years and why they don’t feel comfortable giving the Judean Hills to the Iranians and ISIS?

Cause you could do that, you know.


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[oneworld2]

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No seriously. It ties into the point about you guys not really getting it and just spouting anti-Israel invective.

I was being serious anyhow even if you don't think so and no I don't just " spout anti Israeli invective ". You should be more honest and say you don't like the way I apply to the state of Israel what is applied to the Palestinians by people like yourself

Your post suffered from the same issue they all do. They lack any actual awareness of the history, geography, topography, culture and reality of the region and show a profound misunderstanding of causation, the real issues, and workable solutions.

But you just decided not to actual point anything like that out.

I have said to you on numerous occasions that Palestinian antagonism to Zionism , the fear of being dispossessed and displaced by its realization , was justified and has been validated by subsequent events. That's the historical context you never want to reply to and then you complain that people like me " lack historical awareness " and " misunderstand causation " etc etc when by denying the above shows a greater propensity to be found guilty of both. You don't appear to understand that for some reason

They end up doing ridiculous things like condemning the Jews for not “respecting the Palestinians’ democratic decision” to elect a terrorist organization dedicated to Israel’s destruction which uses civilian murder as its method of choice. And suggesting that you think Israel has a right to defend itself while not having any practical understanding of what that actually requires.

I gave you a comparison with what was elected in Israel with Likud and what was elected in Gaza with Hamas . Once again you chose not to address those points whilst still clinging to all the negatives about the Palestinian decision whilst confirming Israeli rights but staying silent on Palestinian rights.

It is as far from reality-based as you can get, so I’m just asking if you have ever stood in the free country of Israel in these places and asked the real, working class people who are descendants of refugees from all over the middle east and Europe what they have had to deal with over the past 70 years and why they don’t feel comfortable giving the Judean Hills to the Iranians and ISIS?

The " reality " is that Israel is the regional superpower by some distance and the persistent claims of existential threats and every decision being based on security etc is just a ruse for territorial expansion into areas Israel considers should be part of the Jewish state. They are the masters of spin and have duped many many people into this upside down world whereby they are the eternal victim and those they occupy and abuse are the eternal aggressor. And it's hogwash tbh. The truth is , as I see it , that both Palestinian and Israeli cultures are adversely affected by this ongoing conflict

 

[Mr Person]

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Without reading through the whole thing: Neither Israel nor "the Palestinians" are innocent here, and neither has some kind of clean claim of ownership to the land.

There is a hell of a lot of bad blood because of bad acts, and frankly neither can truly say it's their exclusive land given the shifting ownership of that land (ownership being defined by the way it is by every other country: exercise of sovereign power for some time in the past). It is nowhere near as simple as if you support Israel, you're a racist. That's false, flat-out insulting, and utterly ridiculous.

That land has shifted ownership for more time than we've bothered to record. Various tribal groups, then early Jews (who showed up and slaughtered/absorbed them), then Romans, then Jews, than Romans, then <I'm blanking for the moment>, then eventually "Palestine", but then the Ottomans for a few centuries, then Britain, and then.......and then the 1947 proposed UN compromise, which would have done it something roughly 50/50 at least in terms of landmass. No, the Palestinians said. All Arab countries in the region booted Jews, the Jews in the territory that just became Israel booted Arabs, yadda bloody yadda. Several decades of bloodshed followed (often with various militant Palestinian groups comitting terrorist acts and/or conspiring with neighboring countries to invade Israel; meanwhile, Israel engaged in its own 'retaliatory' violence).

It's a gigantic ****ing mess. Again, there are wrongs on both sides (a genuine 'both-sides' point), and unless we're on to some new special theory of ownership just for that region where living on land means you own that land, neither of the two bloody owned it at the time of the 1947 compromise. Britain did and before them, a few centuries of Ottoman's.




Which brings us to the present. Don't want a blockade? Maybe don't elect Hamas as your government - Hamas, the organization dedicated to the destruction of Israel and extermination of the Jews (somehow defending that isn't "racist") - and then support them. The lopsided way some people talk about this stuff....ugh. You'd think Israel did all this because they just plain hate "Palestinians." No. It's because ever since the UN 1947 proposal, they have tried to destroy Israel and kill the Jews.

Is it that unreasonable to say: well, look, if we're going to have a two-state solution where we don't impose control over you, could you perhaps stop trying to kill us? Could you perhaps not elect a government is supposed to be the political arm of an old terrorist organization?

(And, of course, there are some pretty absurd things on the blockade list. ie, last I checked, they targeted certain types of spices that are commonly used, the only purpose of which could be to make life a little less pleasant. But like I said, neither side is innocent entirely here. It's a mess.).

If the test is simply who took it from whom, the last identifiable living people who previously owned the land are the Jews. But that would be silly, wouldn't it? We'd have to give America back to the remaining Native Americans if we meant it. And I don't see anyone ever advocating for that. Easy when it's those guys over there....






Note: I keep putting "Palestinians" in quotes because it's not really a cohesive group other than in the sense that families have lived there a few generations, if that.

 

[NO1]

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False. More than 700K Palestinians were forcefully expelled from their homes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

I read the first paragraph in the link and it says 700k fled or expelled.

 

[NO1]

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So, no actual nation.

There is a Palestinian government in Gaza. Gaza being the first real Pasetinian land since 1948. Is that what you refer to?

Never in history was a Palestinian state, he just avoiding this fact.

 

[NO1]

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No seriously. It ties into the point about you guys not really getting it and just spouting anti-Israel invective. Your post suffered from the same issue they all do. They lack any actual awareness of the history, geography, topography, culture and reality of the region and show a profound misunderstanding of causation, the real issues, and workable solutions.

They end up doing ridiculous things like condemning the Jews for not “respecting the Palestinians’ democratic decision” to elect a terrorist organization dedicated to Israel’s destruction which uses civilian murder as its method of choice. And suggesting that you think Israel has a right to defend itself while not having any practical understanding of what that actually requires.

It is as far from reality-based as you can get, so I’m just asking if you have ever stood in the free country of Israel in these places and asked the real, working class people who are descendants of refugees from all over the middle east and Europe what they have had to deal with over the past 70 years and why they don’t feel comfortable giving the Judean Hills to the Iranians and ISIS?

Cause you could do that, you know.


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Hamas is terror organization and the US, the EU, and many more acknowledge that, but it seems it no issue for him to choose government of terrorists. Not surprising at all.

 

[oneworld2]

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Never in history was a Palestinian state, he just avoiding this fact.

Interesting that you choose to deny a Palestinian state but condemn those that deny an Israeli state like Hamas does

 

[CJ 2.0]

Interesting that you choose to deny a Palestinian state but condemn those that deny an Israeli state like Hamas does

What?

He was recognizing historical facts.

Again, reality-based discussions are always to be preferred to discussions based on invented falsehoods.

Israel, Judea, Samaria and Gaza have an absolutely overwhelming volume of history. The only Palestinian history in the area happens after 1948, with some proto-Palestinian history starting with the development of Palestinian nationalism in the early 20th century (I say proto because if the Arabs had won in 48 there would not have been a palestinian state and the “palestinians”, such as they were, would have been absorbed into the national identities of the various Arab states.)



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[Apocalypse]

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Interesting that you choose to deny a Palestinian state but condemn those that deny an Israeli state like Hamas does

Facts are to be recognized. Israel exists and that's a fact, and so is the fact that there was never a Palestinian state in the region, only a territory named Palestine by its occupiers.

 

[NO1]

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Interesting that you choose to deny a Palestinian state but condemn those that deny an Israeli state like Hamas does

I stated a fact.
If you do think there was a Palestinian state you are more than welcome to prove it.