The big lie: Pro-life women carry every pregnancy to term.

[CLAX1911]

I don't think you know what it means. You seem to think it means "a woman who has never had an abortion." But this is not the definition of pro-life.

If you abort your pregnancy you clearly aren't pro life. There is no way you possibly can be. No amount of your gaslighting will ever change my mind it is impossible and not the slightest bit debatable.

You don't have to be pro-choice to find yourself having to resort to aborting a pregnancy.

Agreed. Pro choice doesn't mean you have to abort your baby. Pro life means you can't.

The two are not the same.

Pro-life women have abortions America.

Never once I'm history not possible. You can't kill and be pro life that's like claiming you are vegan as you shoot a deer and eat it.

Some pro-life women became pro-life after their abortions, in fact. You are welcome to personally refuse to recognize them as being truly pro-life by your own arbitrary definition, but this is just an appeal to purity.

Sure women who used to be pro choice and changed their mind after an abortion can be pro life.

But you can't claim you are pro life while killing your baby. You can be a hypocrite but that isn't the same thing.

 

[CLAX1911]

Can you be gay if you have ever had sexual contact with a woman?

Yes. But if a man says they are gay and only has sex with women than he's not gay and he's a liar.


Words have meaning and when you say you are something you aren't that's a lie.

 

[Bodi]

What is there to understand? You believe what you believe. I'm not going to change you.

There is believing things that are accurate and there is not...

 

[CLAX1911]

There is believing things that are accurate and there is not...

I agree with you, a person that claims they are pro life and then gets an abortion and continues to say they are pro life is simply lying.

It's like these people don't believe there is a such thing as truth.

 

[Bodi]

No true Scotsman drinks vodka either.

I don't see how that applies...

 

[Bodi]

I agree with you, a person that claims they are pro life and then gets an abortion and continues to say they are pro life is simply lying.

It's like these people don't believe there is a such thing as truth.

yep....

 

[CLAX1911]

No true Scotsman drinks vodka either.

I'm not saying no true Scotsman pots sugar in his oats.

M saying welshmen aren't scotsman.

 

[AGENT J]

Guttmacher's demographics of women who get abortions.
38% of women who get abortions list no religious affiliation
24% of women that get abortions consider themselves to be Catholic
17% of women say they are Main-line Protestant (Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, etc)
13% of women who get abortions say they belong to an Evangelical church
8% list other religions.
So pro-life people, what do you have to say about pro-life women "killing their babies"? And while we're at it let's discuss why the pro-life movement thinks it can keep pro-choice women from getting abortions when they can't even stop their own women from aborting.

I thinkn i clearer way would be to say the lies are

Republicans/conservatives dont have abortions
Christians/religious people dont have abortions

but honest people have knew that was nonsensical dishonest nuttery for years

but you might have a point that the math doesnt line up either, with as many women that have had abortions i wouldnt be shocked at all if the prolife numbers vs women who have had abortions dont line up lol

Abortions arent going anywhere anyway, at least legally . . their numbers have been on a downward trend for a while and the better we do with real sex ed, access to healthcare and social programs the further it will go which is actually already AMAZING. less than like .001% of sex ends in abortion . . that's phenomenal.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Well, I can think of two possibilities where a pro-life woman has had an abortion.

First, they were either pro-choice, or had no opinion until they had one...then changed their minds after the fact and became pro-life.

Second, the abortion regretfully happened because of a medical reason to save the mother.

These things happen.

And these women:

“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”

When the Anti-Choice Choose By Joyce Arthur Copyright © September, 2000 Available in a French translation Available in a German translation Available in a Russian translation Abortion is a highly p…

joycearthur.com

 

[Scrabaholic]

If you abort your pregnancy you aren't pro life.

Pro life means you want abortion to be illegal. You can be pro life and abort.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Guttmacher's demographics of women who get abortions.
38% of women who get abortions list no religious affiliation
24% of women that get abortions consider themselves to be Catholic
17% of women say they are Main-line Protestant (Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, etc)
13% of women who get abortions say they belong to an Evangelical church
8% list other religions.
So pro-life people, what do you have to say about pro-life women "killing their babies"? And while we're at it let's discuss why the pro-life movement thinks it can keep pro-choice women from getting abortions when they can't even stop their own women from aborting.

It’s murder and should be punished.

And in any event your next point if it can even be called one is stupid. No one who is conservative in outlook believes a utopia can be formed where everything is perfect. Abortion will still happen after it is eventually outlawed just like slavery still exists in the modern world.

However, outlawing it will drastically reduce numbers and provide a mechanism to punish those who disobey the law.

 

[lwf]

Yes. But if a man says they are gay and only has sex with women than he's not gay and he's a liar.


Words have meaning and when you say you are something you aren't that's a lie.

If I define gay as having never had sexual contact with a woman, then a man who has cannot call himself gay, correct? By my definition, he is not gay.

Do I have the freedom to define the word 'gay' such that any man who has had sexual contact with a woman doesn't qualify as gay, and therefore is lying when he says he is gay?

If not, should you have the freedom to define 'pro-life' such that any woman who has had an abortion cannot call herself pro-life without lying?

 

[Indlib]

It’s murder and should be punished.

And in any event your next point if it can even be called one is stupid. No one who is conservative in outlook believes a utopia can be formed where everything is perfect. Abortion will still happen after it is eventually outlawed just like slavery still exists in the modern world.

However, outlawing it will drastically reduce numbers and provide a mechanism to punish those who disobey the law.

Murder is illegal. Abortion is a constitutional right. Thus, by definition, your statement is false.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Murder is illegal. Abortion is a constitutional right. Thus, by definition, your statement is false.

Abortion is against the natural law, and thus illegal. The fact civil authorities do not consider it such will not be a defense at final judgment.

 

[Indlib]

Abortion is against the natural law, and thus illegal. The fact civil authorities do not consider it such will not be a defense at final judgment.

My religion is fine with abortion. Please don't tread on my rights.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

My religion is fine with abortion. Please don't tread on my rights.

Natural law is not religion.

Also the state has a right to force you to comply with public morals.

 

[Indlib]

Natural law is not religion.

Also the state has a right to force you to comply with public morals.

Never said natural law was a religion.

What I said was abortion is a constitutional right so can not be murder.

You replied with a convenient but irrelevant reference to natural law...unless you think natural law takes precedence over the constitution in America, which admittedly would be an interesting position. Is that your contention?

Furthermore, I added that my religion is fine with abortion...in essence refuting your comment about "judgement".

 

[AGENT J]

1.) It’s murder and should be punished.

2.) And in any event your next point if it can even be called one is stupid. No one who is conservative in outlook believes a utopia can be formed where everything is perfect. Abortion will still happen after it is eventually outlawed just like slavery still exists in the modern world.

3.) However, outlawing it will drastically reduce numbers and provide a mechanism to punish those who disobey the law.

1.) abortion will never be equal to murder and claiming otherwise is the fastest way onot to be taken seriously lol
2.) utopia? oh nevermind i see one of those random triggered starwmen and dishonest talking points that never make sense got it
3.) America wont be moving backwards in this regard, we wont be violating the equal, legal and human rights of women like that. Not to mention the numbers have been trending down for a while and in reality, America is already AWESOME at not having abortions . . less than like .001% of sex ends in abortion.

 

[CLAX1911]

If I define gay as having never had sexual contact with a woman, then a man who has cannot call himself gay, correct? By my definition, he is not gay.

Do I have the freedom to define the word 'gay' such that any man who has had sexual contact with a woman doesn't qualify as gay, and therefore is lying when he says he is gay?

If not, should you have the freedom to define 'pro-life' such that any woman who has had an abortion cannot call herself pro-life without lying?

So you don't believe people can lie?

 

[CLAX1911]

Pro life means you want abortion to be illegal. You can be pro life and abort.

Well you can say your pro life in that instances but that would be a lie

 

[EMNofSeattle]

So you can't. If you say your pro-life and then end a life you are a liar.

Or a hypocrite or you do something selfish. Many people can rail against porn and be completely right but also addicted.


In any event, the fact someone acts contrary to a stated position is not evidence the position is wrong

 

[CLAX1911]

Or a hypocrite or you do something selfish. Many people can rail against porn and be completely right but also addicted.

that seems genuine to me you can dislike the thing that you are addicted to.

People don't get addicted to abortions.

In any event, the fact someone acts contrary to a stated position is not evidence the position is wrong

I agree that doesn't.

But if a person says they love children and goes about abusing children then that person is a liar.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Pro life means you want abortion to be illegal. You can be pro life and abort.

You can have the right moral idea and still do the wrong thing. In fact the entire idea of rights and wrong is predicated on the idea that wrong is a temptation and can give you short term benefits but is still wrong

 

[mrjurrs]

Guttmacher's demographics of women who get abortions.
38% of women who get abortions list no religious affiliation
24% of women that get abortions consider themselves to be Catholic
17% of women say they are Main-line Protestant (Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, etc)
13% of women who get abortions say they belong to an Evangelical church
8% list other religions.
So pro-life people, what do you have to say about pro-life women "killing their babies"? And while we're at it let's discuss why the pro-life movement thinks it can keep pro-choice women from getting abortions when they can't even stop their own women from aborting.

They are not yet babies, so no one is killing babies. Please don't support this language even if using it against someone.

 

[mrjurrs]

Can you be gay if you have ever had sexual contact with a woman?

Yes, especially if you are a woman...