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The Biden Hoax

40% of the country has sold their very soul.

So you believe the radical left is the moral compass? IF so your definition of morality is suspect at best. Radical extremists like you want to claim the moral high ground but your foundation is built on quicksand, violence, radicalism, no such thing as rule of law, no understanding of personal responsibility and always placing blame. Nothing you offer resembles reality. Your 40% claim really is what I believe to be the liberal base who promotes chaos, politics of personal destruction, and massive gov't interference and removal of individual rights
 
So you believe the radical left is the moral compass? IF so your definition of morality is suspect at best. Radical extremists like you want to claim the moral high ground but your foundation is built on quicksand, violence, radicalism, no such thing as rule of law, no understanding of personal responsibility and always placing blame. Nothing you offer resembles reality. Your 40% claim really is what I believe to be the liberal base who promotes chaos, politics of personal destruction, and massive gov't interference and removal of individual rights
Blaming liberals...for "always placing the blame"!!!

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You continue to buy rhetoric and ignore the reality that this can easily be corrected by states and local communities, healthcare is a personal responsibility and 50 different states and Constitutions affects cost of living and implementation.

Yet it hasn't been done yet, has it?

Green Energy like Solyndra? Implement that at a cost of how much and who pays for it? How many people does it negatively impact or don't you care?

You're such a defeatist. By your logic we shouldn't think Trump is a successful businessman because of all of his failed businesses. You see challenges and run away from them, and don't acknowledge the impact of fossil fuel extraction and exhaust on the environment. The cost is something we have to work out, and what the most viable way to do that is. But I guess you's just rather be stuck with old technology and never improve.

So why is it you living in a state like NJ supports the Green energy initiative?

What does that have to do with anything?

Biden's political experience?? What has he done in 47 yrs? Why didn't he implement what he wants the past 8 years of Obama?

All of this critique of Biden when you voted for a man who had never implemented any kind of public policy and had mixed success as a businessman. Interesting.

So you tell me what results that have been generated by Trump that you don't support? Those so called comprehensive results are what?

His treatment of allies has been atrocious, his foreign policy with North Korea was comical, his pandemic response was inadequate, his continued divisive tactics further split the nation...etc. Comprehensive results are looking at policies and their outcomes. Since you're only focused on the economy, that suffers because of the poor pandemic response.

Alarmist? You do live in a bubble don't you? Do you have any idea who you are really supporting and why would you put Harris a heartbeat from the Presidency? This is all about hatred of Trump not support for Biden and you better be careful what you wish for

No, I don't. The good thing about living in a diverse community is you interact with all sorts of people who have differing views. You rail on Harris but ignore all of the personal flaws of the current president.
 
Radical extremists like you

and this is the problem with the Neanderthals Trump commands. Me, a Ray-Gun/Bush Sr republican is now considered "extremist" (left no doubt.)
 
I believe as usual you ignored context, the PREAMBLE to the Constitution!! Shows why people like you are a waste of time
wow...first comment in months, ignores his latest gaffe, wants to re-argue his gaffe from August!

Talk about wasting time.

Put me back on ignore, Con.
 
Why? because results trump rhetoric, get out of that bubble and see what is going on around you

The only one who seems to be in a bubble is you based on your narrow mined views. You have an odd relationship with "results", and by now it's pretty clear you are biased toward results that suit you; not as a whole.



OMG, what a liberal answer, cities run by Democrats blaming the President for violence and racial injustice not supporting their police on the front lines. Your attitude is ridiculous and typical liberalism, nothing changes the mind of any radical. Accountability? Who hires, funds, and trains police? You don't get it and never will

It isn't liberalism; it's the lack of accountability that's been a large part of the problem with reforming police departments; that you don't understand this is your own ignorance or unwillingness to look at the issue from outside of the "law and order" spectrum. You don't even seem to understand the concept of police accountability and the lack of it.


Isn't it about time you took a civics class? Trump shifting blame? read the 10th amendment! You show me the violence in Red Cities??

I understand civics well enough, and the 10th amendment does not prevent a president from leading by supporting initiatives carried out either nationally or locally. The 10th amendment doesn't seem to be an issue with you when Trump goes on ad nauseam about wearing masks is a sign of disapproval toward him, but seems to be an issue if he were to come out in support of mitigation strategies. Trump shifts blame all the time; he blames the pandemic on China, he blames blue cities for having the highest death tolls etc. What he doesn't do is talk about why the pandemic continues to surge here, or how it's other parts of the country surging now which aren't blue states.

You keep talking about disease mitigation as you continue to buy the liberal rhetoric, how about these results?

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/new-cdc-estimates-fatality-rate-covid-19-drops-again-and-may-surprise-you?utm_campaign=&utm_content=Zerohedge:+The+Durden+Dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter

A nanny state is what you obviously need and want, people are fleeing your state because of people like you and the reality that liberalism isn't free

Nothing I've stated regarding the pandemic is rhetoric; I've provided data to support all of my statements. Your ankle biting about my adopted state is irrelevant because the reasons you're citing for those departures aren't solely because of "liberalism".
 
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Yet it hasn't been done yet, has it?

Nor should it, a state and local issue not a federal taxpayer issue


You're such a defeatist. By your logic we shouldn't think Trump is a successful businessman because of all of his failed businesses. You see challenges and run away from them, and don't acknowledge the impact of fossil fuel extraction and exhaust on the environment. The cost is something we have to work out, and what the most viable way to do that is. But I guess you's just rather be stuck with old technology and never improve.

Defeatist? NO realist, liberalism is a fraud, promises made failures generated. Looks like facts will always get in the way of your personal ideology and support for liberal rhetoric ignoring liberal results

Trump business failures??

https://www.abi.org/feed-item/examining-donald-trump’s-chapter-11-bankruptcies

In fact, it can often be said that a Chapter 11 bankruptcy is in the best interests of the business and in no way a reflection of a poorly run company. PolitiFact took a look at all four of Trump’s Chapter 11 bankruptcies and determined that they were a result of business struggles largely beyond the billionaire-turned-presidential-candidate’s control.

Challenges? 47 years of Biden in public service and nothing really to show for it, Trump less than 4 years and actual results, positive for the American people. Do you remember Solyndra?? What is the difference?

Results apparently don't matter to you as you buy rhetoric, totally ignoring who you are voting for to be a heartbeat from the Presidency and a 78 year old career public servant with declining mental capacity

All of this critique of Biden when you voted for a man who had never implemented any kind of public policy and had mixed success as a businessman. Interesting.

spoken like that liberal that you really are, public policies are best implemented by the cities and the states under the 10th Amendment which you ignore.

His treatment of allies has been atrocious, his foreign policy with North Korea was comical, his pandemic response was inadequate, his continued divisive tactics further split the nation...etc. Comprehensive results are looking at policies and their outcomes. Since you're only focused on the economy, that suffers because of the poor pandemic response.

And that bothers you why?? You think our allies don't use this country? How do you explain the following


Stunning how you buy rhetoric and ignore results always attacking Trump but never defending or promoting Biden.

No, I don't. The good thing about living in a diverse community is you interact with all sorts of people who have differing views. You rail on Harris but ignore all of the personal flaws of the current president.

When will actual results resonate with you and the leadership that created those results in your state? Name for me something that your governor did well for your state? You don't seem to grasp the reality of what liberalism is, all talk and dependence creating action. You think you are immune?[/QUOTE]
 
The only one who seems to be in a bubble is you based on your narrow mined views. You have an odd relationship with "results", and by now it's pretty clear you are biased toward results that suit you; not as a whole.
Right liberal rhetoric trumps liberal results, your state is a social and fiscal nightmare and yet you are blinded by your own ideology and biases


It isn't liberalism; it's the lack of accountability that's been a large part of the problem with reforming police departments; that you don't understand this is your own ignorance or unwillingness to look at the issue from outside of the "law and order" spectrum. You don't even seem to understand the concept of police accountability and the lack of it.

And who is responsible for accountability? How about the people that hire, fund, and train? Stunning loyalty to liberalism and total ignorance of leadership and responsibility. You cannot delegate responsibility and the responsibility for the police rests with the city

I understand civics well enough, and the 10th amendment does not prevent a president from leading by supporting initiatives carried out either nationally or locally. The 10th amendment doesn't seem to be an issue with you when Trump goes on ad nauseam about wearing masks is a sign of disapproval toward him, but seems to be an issue if he were to come out in support of mitigation strategies. Trump shifts blame all the time; he blames the pandemic on China, he blames blue cities for having the highest death tolls etc. What he doesn't do is talk about why the pandemic continues to surge here, or how it's other parts of the country surging now which aren't blue states.

No apparently you don't as this comment of yours proves. The President is entitled to freedom of speech just like you so why don't you explain to us what prevented your governor and the people of your state from wearing a mask? You blame Trump for rhetoric and ignore the results even in your own state. Blue cities do have the highest death toll. Pandemic results continue to surge and still you are focused on supposed statements in January and February. you actually believe that people today don't know the severity of the pandemic and how to prevent getting it?

Nothing I've stated regarding the pandemic is rhetoric; I've provided data to support all of my statements. Your ankle biting about my adopted state is irrelevant because the reasons you're citing for those departures aren't solely because of "liberalism".

Everything you have stated about the pandemic is rhetoric as you focus on gloom and doom not recoveries or our low death rate vs those European Socialist countries you support

As I have stated this is a waste of time, you have engrained in your mind liberalism and liberal rhetoric refusing to even discuss liberal results. it is always about blaming someone else. how does that work out for you in your own private business?
 
Right liberal rhetoric trumps liberal results, your state is a social and fiscal nightmare and yet you are blinded by your own ideology and biases

It's a social nightmare? Really? It's been perfectly fine. The fiscal issues are a problem, and have been a mixed bag under leadership from both parties.


And who is responsible for accountability? How about the people that hire, fund, and train? Stunning loyalty to liberalism and total ignorance of leadership and responsibility. You cannot delegate responsibility and the responsibility for the police rests with the city

Clearly you don't understand this issue at all. State/city governments are responsible for the hiring, funding, and training, however the police unions have fought long and hard at any measures local governments take to increase transparency and accountability. Lest we forget the police riot in 1992 in NYC when the mayor at the time tried to increase accountability for the thousands of complaints against officers. So I'm not sure why you're buying the Trump rhetoric of "law and order" when he is only talking about blind loyalty for the police.

No apparently you don't as this comment of yours proves. The President is entitled to freedom of speech just like you so why don't you explain to us what prevented your governor and the people of your state from wearing a mask? You blame Trump for rhetoric and ignore the results even in your own state. Blue cities do have the highest death toll. Pandemic results continue to surge and still you are focused on supposed statements in January and February. you actually believe that people today don't know the severity of the pandemic and how to prevent getting it?

Good lord you're obtuse. I've explained this numerous times but you either cannot understand a very simple point, or just prefer to repeat your self continually. You're making all sorts of excuses to ignore what I am specifically talking about which is Trump's rhetoric regarding the pandemic. You bring in everything but the kitchen sink because you have no real point to make. The statement he's made went well past January and February, and he's continued to hold large rallies; the most recent even going against the local restrictions (Virginia). The President does have free speech, but with that comes the responsibility of those words; something you seem incapable of reconciling. To issue policy and then make comments that contradict that makes no sense whatsoever.

Everything you have stated about the pandemic is rhetoric as you focus on gloom and doom not recoveries or our low death rate vs those European Socialist countries you support

Nope. I focus on the statistics. Recoveries are great, but what needs to be mitigated are the mortalities, and you do that by reducing the spread of the disease.

As I have stated this is a waste of time, you have engrained in your mind liberalism and liberal rhetoric refusing to even discuss liberal results. it is always about blaming someone else. how does that work out for you in your own private business?

There are plenty of liberal failures, but that's the case with any ideology. Results are based on not only the soundness of an ideology, but the implementation and the leadership abilities of those carrying them out. It isn't this simplistic view you keep trying to paint with your "CONSERVATISM GOOD, LIBERALISM BAD"; it's just not accurate. If any one system or its adherents got it right all of the time, it would be the predominant ideology, yet it isn't.

You complaining about "always blaming someone else" is comical given how much of it you do, and your support of a president who does the same thing repeatedly.
 
Nor should it, a state and local issue not a federal taxpayer issue

Well that's debatable and precisely the point behind having the conversation about what the most effective solution might be.


Defeatist? NO realist, liberalism is a fraud, promises made failures generated. Looks like facts will always get in the way of your personal ideology and support for liberal rhetoric ignoring liberal results

You ignore conservative policy failures all of the time. You're silent on the low performing red states which rank high on lists for access to healthcare, education etc. I cited the tax policy failure in Kansas just as an example and you did your usual deflection dance.


Yep. Failed casinos, failed airline, failed food ventures, failed university....you get the point.

Challenges? 47 years of Biden in public service and nothing really to show for it, Trump less than 4 years and actual results, positive for the American people. Do you remember Solyndra?? What is the difference?

You and Solyndra. So my retort to you, what about Trump Airlines? How can you vote for a man with those kinds of results? It's a daft counterpoint.

Results apparently don't matter to you as you buy rhetoric, totally ignoring who you are voting for to be a heartbeat from the Presidency and a 78 year old career public servant with declining mental capacity

Oh right....Kamala Harris: AntiChrist.
:LOL:

I'm sure she'll be eating babies and burning crucifixes.



spoken like that liberal that you really are, public policies are best implemented by the cities and the states under the 10th Amendment which you ignore.

Non answer. The president serves as a leader and can help guide policy by working with Congress.



And that bothers you why?? You think our allies don't use this country? How do you explain the following


Simply put, I prefer a better diplomat. Sure, there's usury on both sides of the equation. The US does nothing which isn't in its best interests. Its presence throughout the world is strategic in nature and not altruistic the way some like to think.

Stunning how you buy rhetoric and ignore results always attacking Trump but never defending or promoting Biden.

There should be a count of how many times you repeat "buy rhetoric and ignore results". I've already stated Biden isn't my first choice, but between him and Trump, I'll take Biden. I don't think he'll fare worse from an economic perspective and I think his policies will be the starting point for addressing larger issues like healthcare and green energy.



When will actual results resonate with you and the leadership that created those results in your state? Name for me something that your governor did well for your state? You don't seem to grasp the reality of what liberalism is, all talk and dependence creating action. You think you are immune?

Gov. Murphy has handled the pandemic quite well. Aside from that he's been a mixed bag. The state does have a lot of issues financially; that much I'll concede. It's been a making of Republican and Democrat governors, so there's no one party to blame for it.
 
Sorry, but I really think there are no "good Democrats" left on this forum...only Trump haters. They don't care about the disaster you speak of. They only want to get Trump.
You are correct. Trump is so embarrassing and outrageous, the number one mission right now is to put him down with a resounding defeat. There's nothing else at he moment.

We'll be discussing prosecutions next year.
 
You are correct. Trump is so embarrassing and outrageous, the number one mission right now is to put him down with a resounding defeat. There's nothing else at he moment.

We'll be discussing prosecutions next year.
Thank you for confirming my opinion.
 
It's a social nightmare? Really? It's been perfectly fine. The fiscal issues are a problem, and have been a mixed bag under leadership from both parties.




Clearly you don't understand this issue at all. State/city governments are responsible for the hiring, funding, and training, however the police unions have fought long and hard at any measures local governments take to increase transparency and accountability. Lest we forget the police riot in 1992 in NYC when the mayor at the time tried to increase accountability for the thousands of complaints against officers. So I'm not sure why you're buying the Trump rhetoric of "law and order" when he is only talking about blind loyalty for the police.



Good lord you're obtuse. I've explained this numerous times but you either cannot understand a very simple point, or just prefer to repeat your self continually. You're making all sorts of excuses to ignore what I am specifically talking about which is Trump's rhetoric regarding the pandemic. You bring in everything but the kitchen sink because you have no real point to make. The statement he's made went well past January and February, and he's continued to hold large rallies; the most recent even going against the local restrictions (Virginia). The President does have free speech, but with that comes the responsibility of those words; something you seem incapable of reconciling. To issue policy and then make comments that contradict that makes no sense whatsoever.



Nope. I focus on the statistics. Recoveries are great, but what needs to be mitigated are the mortalities, and you do that by reducing the spread of the disease.



There are plenty of liberal failures, but that's the case with any ideology. Results are based on not only the soundness of an ideology, but the implementation and the leadership abilities of those carrying them out. It isn't this simplistic view you keep trying to paint with your "CONSERVATISM GOOD, LIBERALISM BAD"; it's just not accurate. If any one system or its adherents got it right all of the time, it would be the predominant ideology, yet it isn't.

You complaining about "always blaming someone else" is comical given how much of it you do, and your support of a president who does the same thing repeatedly.

Yes you are perfectly fine living in your bubble totally buying the liberal rhetoric. We are done, I am basically going to bow out of this forum as it is truly a waste of time presenting facts and you countering with opinions. The left cannot admit when wrong. I do wish you well.
 
Can't wait until it is a tie and the House has to pick the POTUS with 1 vote per state. The democrats are going to blast their bowels into the ceiling fans.
 
Yes you are perfectly fine living in your bubble totally buying the liberal rhetoric.

The problem is you haven't presented anything that makes liberalism or "the left" wrong in its entirety. I haven't presented any "liberal rhetoric"; I just share different opinions on how we address the issues we face as a society.

We are done, I am basically going to bow out of this forum as it is truly a waste of time presenting facts and you countering with opinions. The left cannot admit when wrong. I do wish you well.

I've countered with opinions and data when calling out your slanted analyses. At no point have I defended any political party or ideology as being the absolute solution to how this country is run. As I've repeated numerous times, there are failures across the board with all sorts of ideologies and systems of government. What tends to work best are when ideas from varying sources pool together to find solutions, because the ideological purists tend to be a small subset; most people have varying leans depending on the issue.

Good fortune to you as well.
 
You are correct. Trump is so embarrassing and outrageous, the number one mission right now is to put him down with a resounding defeat. There's nothing else at he moment.

We'll be discussing prosecutions next year.
So what is your back up plan if Trump wins? Go live In a TDS camp where you can be with residents who also have rejected the idea of a peaceful transfer of power?
You are the problem. Not Trump. We have a legally elected president. One either chooses chaos, or chooses the constitutional method.
TDS’ers are marooned on their own “Hate Island”.
 
Yes you are perfectly fine living in your bubble totally buying the liberal rhetoric. We are done, I am basically going to bow out of this forum as it is truly a waste of time presenting facts and you countering with opinions. The left cannot admit when wrong. I do wish you well.
this statement is ****ing hilarious coming from you, lol
 
The problem is you haven't presented anything that makes liberalism or "the left" wrong in its entirety. I haven't presented any "liberal rhetoric"; I just share different opinions on how we address the issues we face as a society.



I've countered with opinions and data when calling out your slanted analyses. At no point have I defended any political party or ideology as being the absolute solution to how this country is run. As I've repeated numerous times, there are failures across the board with all sorts of ideologies and systems of government. What tends to work best are when ideas from varying sources pool together to find solutions, because the ideological purists tend to be a small subset; most people have varying leans depending on the issue.

Good fortune to you as well.

Here is the problem, ideas and opinions for any source doesn't trump actual results. Opinions don't win debates or court cases, facts do and the facts that I have presented come from official verifiable sources, election results for example in the liberal cities of Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Kenosha, Chicago, NYC. Liberal states like California and NY, all impacting social programs and economic results that affect the American people. Poverty, homelessness, rioting, looting, racism, politics of personal destruction ignored by liberal rhetoric and liberal results

Fact Check Biden's claims and many of yours

 
You say that but never end up doing it.

It is actually people like you who drive others out of the forum with your partisan, ignorant posts that defy logic, common sense and reality. It is people like you seeking entertainment by promoting politics of personal destruction and seeing how many people you can generate infractions for. This forum has turned into a bunch of kids like you who sit in your basement attacking anything that doesn't resonate with your ideology and ignoring results that destroy your ideology.

You are right, I have done this before and reserve the right to come back at my choice when I feel the time is right. When I do come back it will be still ignoring people like you who cannot accept personal responsibility and being wrong on any issue. Debate requires maturity that you apparently don't have as you refuse to admit when wrong and you are proven wrong all the time.

I came here to debate issues and what I get are people like you ignoring the issues, placing blame on everyone else for your own failures. I have found no liberals like you who are even capable of debating issues and only spout the same false talking points over and over again. I assure you that if I do come back I won't be seeing your alias on my screen as the ignore function works quite well.
 
It is actually people like you who drive others out of the forum with your partisan, ignorant posts that defy logic, common sense and reality. It is people like you seeking entertainment by promoting politics of personal destruction and seeing how many people you can generate infractions for. This forum has turned into a bunch of kids like you who sit in your basement attacking anything that doesn't resonate with your ideology and ignoring results that destroy your ideology.

You are right, I have done this before and reserve the right to come back at my choice when I feel the time is right. When I do come back it will be still ignoring people like you who cannot accept personal responsibility and being wrong on any issue. Debate requires maturity that you apparently don't have as you refuse to admit when wrong and you are proven wrong all the time.

I came here to debate issues and what I get are people like you ignoring the issues, placing blame on everyone else for your own failures. I have found no liberals like you who are even capable of debating issues and only spout the same false talking points over and over again. I assure you that if I do come back I won't be seeing your alias on my screen as the ignore function works quite well.
LOL. For the last 9 years I have been here, you haven't taken personal responsibility or accepted when you were wrong once. It's comical you are accusing people of doing what you do every day on here.
 
Here is the problem, ideas and opinions for any source doesn't trump actual results. Opinions don't win debates or court cases, facts do and the facts that I have presented come from official verifiable sources, election results for example in the liberal cities of Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Kenosha, Chicago, NYC. Liberal states like California and NY, all impacting social programs and economic results that affect the American people. Poverty, homelessness, rioting, looting, racism, politics of personal destruction ignored by liberal rhetoric and liberal results

Well for starters you have a tendency to be selective with the facts you present. For example, you will argue that only pre-pandemic numbers matter and the rest do not because it was the state level responses which led to the continued economic loss. The massive flaw with that argument is you leave out the fact Trump played an active part in downplaying the virus (all well documented), and as a result impacted decisions made by certain governors aligned with him and Trump's followers. So to claim only pre-pandemic results matter is a disingenuous argument to make given the broader facts you ignore. To claim the president's rhetoric didn't impact the economic results just doesn't hold up regardless of how much one may want to absolve him of his own statements.

As for the liberal cities you're always railing about, it's a perfect example of your massive bias. Based on your post you'd think all of these cities are some Mad Max-style post apocalyptic places where someone is stealing your lunch at knife point. There is no doubt the looting and rioting is unacceptable, but that's hardly an accurate picture of those cities as a whole; the same goes for your assessment of social programs. Are they perfect? Nope, but they help a lot of people. Rather than just take the pessimistic view you take, some of us would rather find better solutions to improve them.

Also, why do you complain only about poverty, homelessness etc. only in the areas of the country whose political lean you don't like? If you were really against these issues, you'd discuss it more broadly and everywhere it exists. If GOP led states were the best, and most effective, they would top the list of most successful states. They don't, so why don't those results factor into your assessments?


Fact Check Biden's claims and many of yours


Yet you support a candidate who does the same 10 fold. Trump consistently posits unsubstantiated claims ad nauseam, yet you seem to have no problem with him. It's this that makes your arguments disingenuous.
 
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As an emphatic, dedicated supporter and apologist for Trump, literally nobody cares what you think about democrats. You've shown over and over again that you'll lie, misrepresent and exaggerate to push your agenda and the more you hate them, the more likely it is they're reasonable, rational people.

You're unable to successfully attack Biden on his actual positions and character so you peddle desperate conspiracy theories. You're fooling no one.
preach it brother!
 
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