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You don't know what liberal means, so the opinions of a foreign liberal who does know trumps you.
In my country calling 911 connects you with a dispatcher who asks what you need. In my country the answer is very seldom 'police', the answer is usually fire department or ambulance. Hey, maybe that's why you revere the cops and obsess over their political opinions, you are much more likely than I am to need them.
Biden was part of the Democratic team that brought America out of the last Republican recession and America's best hope today is that history can repeat itself.
Not my fault if Biden is your best hope. It's your system that got you here.
LOL, you call a dispatcher to send out police that no longer exists in that liberal utopia you want in our country. Biden's plan is to send a psychiatrist with the police officers is typical liberalism

You like far too many ignore the reality that bad cops doing bad things are being prosecuted, those suffering are those good cops on the front lines against rioters and not getting the support from their mayor

Your rhetoric is totally ignorant of the facts, Biden was part of the Administration that generated the worst recovery from a recession in modern history. TARP recapitalized the banks and ended the recession not Obama/Biden. Taking away spendable income Americans, spending trillions on Solyndra type programs, shutting down the country thus not allowing Americans to earn income, support for radical ideology and massive social spending generates the type results we see in Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Chicago, Kenosha, Louisville, NYC showing that all you do is support the same ideology over and over again blaming someone else for the results and expecting change. The system I have here in TX Doesn't support that bullshit. Here is what a good governor does

https://www.unitedvoice.com/texas-w..._campaign=newsletter&utm_content=UVnewsletter
 

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Is there ever going to be a time when good Democrats wake up to the reality of exactly who Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi are and how Biden is nothing more than a placeholder? Do you supposed Democrats understand what the radical party stands for today and how that destroys the very foundation upon which this country was created and the rule of law?

Come on, there has to be some honest Democrats in this forum that recognize the disaster awaiting us with Harris/Biden!
Nope. They see this as their chance to irrevocably change the country. You need to get an idea of Harris’s world view. And to do that, you need to study the disintegration of California into modern day feudalism.
She is in a unique position where she can avoid the media because “VP’s don’t count”, yet she and her associates will have an outsized influence on policy, and the media and the party plan to keep it that way.
 

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Right and we know those figures are accurate, right


Did it ever cross your mind that in this country the American people have the freedom to make choices even bad ones? You blame the gov't? You want a nanny state? Stay where you are, I will stay here and celebrate the freedoms I have even to make bad mistakes
Look at you. First you deny the numbers are real then you claim we have more deaths because of "freedom". You're acting like a child.
 

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Nope. They see this as their chance to irrevocably change the country. You need to get an idea of Harris’s world view. And to do that, you need to study the disintegration of California into modern day feudalism.
She is in a unique position where she can avoid the media because “VP’s don’t count”, yet she and her associates will have an outsized influence on policy, and the media and the party plan to keep it that way.
You get it, those who support Biden don't really have a valid reason, ignore the person a heartbeat from the Presidency, and base their entire argument on hatred for Trump. They always divert from the actual results and believe hatred of Trump will put Biden in the WH. God help us if that happens
 

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Look at you. First you deny the numbers are real then you claim we have more deaths because of "freedom". You're acting like a child.
The death count is an arbitrary number that is influenced by the medical examiner's definition as the Medical Director of Chicago pointed out. The numbers are irrelevant and trumped up ignoring the reality that Americans make their own choices here. Anyone that gets the virus has no one else to blame but themself. You always look to place blame but never offer any solutions. Maybe you enjoy being taken care of by your gov't most Americans here don't and prefer the freedoms we have
 

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You don't know what liberal means, so the opinions of a foreign liberal who does know trumps you.
In my country calling 911 connects you with a dispatcher who asks what you need. In my country the answer is very seldom 'police', the answer is usually fire department or ambulance. Hey, maybe that's why you revere the cops and obsess over their political opinions, you are much more likely than I am to need them.
Biden was part of the Democratic team that brought America out of the last Republican recession and America's best hope today is that history can repeat itself.
Not my fault if Biden is your best hope. It's your system that got you here.
Oh, by the way, you seem to be of the opinion that I like Trump and obviously have missed many of the posts where I have stated over and over again that I have NEVER liked Trump but voted for him to get the results we got during his first three years in office and liking someone isn't my criteria for voting for that person like apparently it is with you. I will be voting for Trump again in November because results matter to me more than personality, and results generated by policy decisions cause that support. There is nothing in the Biden/Harris resume that I support and if you think hatred of Trump is going to divert from the radical resume of Biden/Harris you live in an alternative universe

Why don't I support Biden?? His lack of any meaningful results, his radical agenda, Harris a heartbeat from the Presidency, his green energy program that will cost jobs, his repeal of the Trump tax cuts taking money out of the paychecks of taxpayers, his pro China stance, his corruption support during the Obama Administration and as stated, Kamala Harris and the following

https://www.electionforum.org/elect...ti-christian-attacks-and-socialist-worldview/

I am indeed a Catholic and when you people blame the President for COVID 19 deaths and ignore the 600,000 abortions a year generated by individuals, you have no credibility
 

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Again, context doesn't matter to you as part time for economic reason employees skew the unemployment rate but 3.5% is lower than what he inherited so not sure what you are trying to prove? You live in that bubble that thinks a part time job is as good as a full time job? Any idea what a part time job for economic reasons is?
The UE numbers show no change in the trend line under trump, as literally everyone keeps telling you. You have convinced yourself the economy was in the toilet and magically did a 180 the day trump took office, but the data shows your beliefs to be abject nonsense.
 

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Right, robust economy by liberal definition is mediocre by normal definition. why don't you tell us about that robust economy and do it with data in context? Do you know the difference between 500 billion dollars per year GDP dollar growth and 900 billion dollars per year? Do you know what a part time employee is vs. Full time? Do you know the difference between the U-3 and U-6 unemployment numbers? As you have shown you have no standing in this country as you cannot vote, I will be voting for Trump as will the majority in this country who support law and order
The data shows all of this to be nonsense. EVERY economic metric has remained on the same unchanging trend line since 2010, until the pandemic. NOTHING changed under trump, except for over 10% UE and trillion dollar deficits.
 

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The data shows all of this to be nonsense. EVERY economic metric has remained on the same unchanging trend line since 2010, until the pandemic. NOTHING changed under trump, except for over 10% UE and trillion dollar deficits.
You definitely belong in the liberal corner, nothing but lies, distortions, and diversion from reality. The UE rate is 8.4% in August, Trump has a long way to go to top Obama's 9.3 trillion debt and there is no reason whatsoever to vote for Biden as you cannot offer a viable reason, hatred of Trump isn't a policy that will benefit the American people

I gave my reason for voting for Trump, you haven't even come close to offering a reason to vote FOR Biden
 

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You definitely belong in the liberal corner, nothing but lies, distortions, and diversion from reality. The UE rate is 8.4% in August, Trump has a long way to go to top Obama's 9.3 trillion debt and there is no reason whatsoever to vote for Biden as you cannot offer a viable reason, hatred of Trump isn't a policy that will benefit the American people

I gave my reason for voting for Trump, you haven't even come close to offering a reason to vote FOR Biden
again, the data shows all of this to be abject nonsense. EVERY economic metric remained on the same trend line form 2010 until the pandemic hit. This is not debatable. Obama's debt was a direct result of the republican caused recession of 2008. Trump was handed a booming and steadily improving economy, and doubled the deficit to over a trillion in 2 years, despite having total control of the executive and legislative branches during that time, and now the deficit is over 3 trillion (no, I don't blame the pandemic or the economic impact on trump).

Reality is squarely against your ideology.
 

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What failures? If tax cuts don't work why is Kansas so supporting of Trump? You buy rhetoric, don't you?
Rhetoric has nothing to do with this, and since you don't seem to be familiar with this, it makes no sense to keep bringing up rhetoric. Brownback and Trump have nothing to do with each other. I brought up Brownback as an example of GOP failures, and you response with irrelevant comments about Trump.

Nothing Trump does or says is ever going to change your mind as you buy rhetoric and ignore results. Trump will never come out on top with you because of the reality that results don't matter, personality does. Think calling the President a clown sells?
Incorrect. Results do matter; I just don't focus on the few items but instead look at the much bigger picture. Your only talking points are "but the economy was great before!" as if only the good parts matter and not the failures; the latter of course you deflect as being someone else's fault. Even in your last sentence, you focus on what Biden called Trump despite Trump's penchant for childish name calling.
From an ideological perspective, the broadest question is whether the American people prefer to have taxes be the funding mechanism for social programs which they think will benefit them. In regards to healthcare, this means funding a system which covers their immediate healthcare needs; this in turn reduces or eliminates the threat of financial hardship because of a lack of coverage. Taxes funding college education could be the way to avoid the debt issue students currently face which are now impacting their spending habits. Other societies have taken this course and are productive nations; it's just a question of the focus of how we spend our money.
LOL, spoken like that good little liberal you really are, taxes funding mechanism for social spending? Right now 2/3 of the budget is social spending, not enough for you? You think Income taxes should fund social spending on top of your state and local social spending? Better explain to me why people are fleeing your state since social spending and taxes are so important
I've already done so, but you keep asking the same tired question. Again, what I've stated is the issues I mentioned are what societies can decide for themselves through the politicians they elect to power; it's how representative democracies works. You instead propose nothing but platitudes and protecting the status quo. For me it isn't ideological, but finding solutions to the obvious issues our citizens face with better than the defeatist "personal responsibility" which is just a platitude at this point.

Yes you have ignored the basic premise that if you want change why do you vote for the same ideology over and over again? Liberal results are high taxes and high cost of living along with very poor social performance. Still waiting for a valid reason to vote for Biden?
You keep voting along the same lines, yes? Why do you continue to do so when there's no sign of conservatism being a widely successful ideology?
 

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Rhetoric has nothing to do with this, and since you don't seem to be familiar with this, it makes no sense to keep bringing up rhetoric. Brownback and Trump have nothing to do with each other. I brought up Brownback as an example of GOP failures, and you response with irrelevant comments about Trump.
You brought up Kansas, why?

Incorrect. Results do matter; I just don't focus on the few items but instead look at the much bigger picture. Your only talking points are "but the economy was great before!" as if only the good parts matter and not the failures; the latter of course you deflect as being someone else's fault. Even in your last sentence, you focus on what Biden called Trump despite Trump's penchant for childish name calling.

What bigger picture, success of liberal social programs in major cities? The private sector works, Biden doesn't get it and neither do you. I gave you my reasons for voting for Trump, you have offered nothing in support of Trump. Did Biden call Trump a Clown?

I've already done so, but you keep asking the same tired question. Again, what I've stated is the issues I mentioned are what societies can decide for themselves through the politicians they elect to power; it's how representative democracies works. You instead propose nothing but platitudes and protecting the status quo. For me it isn't ideological, but finding solutions to the obvious issues our citizens face with better than the defeatist "personal responsibility" which is just a platitude at this point.

You keep voting along the same lines, yes? Why do you continue to do so when there's no sign of conservatism being a widely successful ideology?
Got it, voting for more spending in the name of compassion is what you support, where are the results of all that spending in liberal cities

As I have stated many times, I'll bet I have voted for more Democrats than you Republicans. I voted for Democrats when that party supported the private sector and the middle class and wasn't run by every radical nut group in the country. Better wake up to who is supporting Biden and what they expect for that support. You are an example of what is wrong with people today, you refuse to admit when you are wrong.

You think I like Trump????? Wow, you would be wrong, I like the private sector and I like results coming from the private sector. You on the other hand are voting against Trump ignoring the alternative
 

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I'm not sure why you fail so badly at using the quote feature. Ok, so let's unpack this mess:

You brought up Kansas, why?
The answer was in my previous response. Do you actually read responses through?

What bigger picture, success of liberal social programs in major cities? The private sector works, Biden doesn't get it and neither do you. I gave you my reasons for voting for Trump, you have offered nothing in support of Trump.
Yes, both successes and failures. Like anything, you address the areas which are ineffective and modify accordingly. Of course the private sector works, but that's not the only solution to everything. History has taught us this time and time again; the very fact we have a mixed economy refutes your idea of a solely private sector solution. Most of the world's major economic powers have social systems for their citizens. The thumbs up I've given to Trump is prison reform; that made sense.

Did Biden call Trump a Clown?
Yep. I don't think that was a smart thing to do, because the last thing you want to do is play that childish game, but name calling is not really an area Trump can claim any moral high ground. I would imagine this shouldn't bother you if Trump calling everyone names is part of his repertoire; or are you one who thinks people should only dish it out and whinge when they're the recipients?

Got it, voting for more spending in the name of compassion is what you support, where are the results of all that spending in liberal cities
That's not an answer to my question; just a rehash of your canned responses. I have already refuted your absurd "spending in the name of compassion" statement in the past.

You think I like Trump????? Wow, you would be wrong, I like the private sector and I like results coming from the private sector. You on the other hand are voting against Trump ignoring the alternative
I like the private sector as well, but I don't share the idea that it is the only solution to societal issues. Anyone who understands history knows the pitfalls of assuming only private sector solutions are viable. The alternative isn't as scary to me as it is to you; and I have skin in the game as a private sector employee and as the owner of a small family business. You're just drinking too much of the Boo!-Aid and think the armageddon that's promoted by the incumbent is valid.
 
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I'm not sure why you fail so badly at using the quote feature. Ok, so let's unpack this mess:



The answer was in my previous response. Do you actually read responses through?



Yes, both successes and failures. Like anything, you address the areas which are ineffective and modify accordingly. Of course the private sector works, but that's not the only solution to everything. History has taught us this time and time again; the very fact we have a mixed economy refutes your idea of a solely private sector solution. Most of the world's major economic powers have social systems for their citizens. The thumbs up I've given to Trump is prison reform; that made sense.



Yep. I don't think that was a smart thing to do, because the last thing you want to do is play that childish game, but name calling is not really an area Trump can claim any moral high ground. I would imagine this shouldn't bother you if Trump calling everyone names is part of his repertoire; or are you one who thinks people should only dish it out and whinge when they're the recipients?



That's not an answer to my question; just a rehash of your canned responses. I have already refuted your absurd "spending in the name of compassion" statement in the past.



I like the private sector as well, but I don't share the idea that it is the only solution to societal issues. Anyone who understands history knows the pitfalls of assuming only private sector solutions are viable. The alternative isn't as scary to me as it is to you; and I have skin in the game as a private sector employee and as the owner of a small family business. You're just drinking too much of the Boo!-Aid and think the armageddon that's promoted by the incumbent is valid.
So still no valid reason to vote for Biden, not surprising
 

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I will be voting for Trump again in November because results matter to me more than personality, and results generated by policy decisions cause that support. T
What are the decisions made that have randed your support? (I am honestly curious, this is not a rush, I can't see any domestic political desisions made in his 4 years in power that have made any impact)
 

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Good lord. I responded to this several posts ago.

A cute tie isn't a valid reason, results matter and what is it in the Biden/Harris resume that supports your vote? Why doesn't the following resonate with you?

https://www.electionforum.org/elect...ti-christian-attacks-and-socialist-worldview/

Why doesn't the violence in the cities bother you?

Why doesn't the lack of law enforcement support bother you?

Why is it that radical support for Biden Doesn't bother you?

Why doesn't this bother you? Trump gets RESULTS!!

http://www.morethanonelife.com/a-canadians-view-of-president-trump.html

He's a guy who DEMANDS performance. ..And more importantly; RESULTS!! He spent his entire life in the private sector where you either produce or get your ass fired!


What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
 

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What are the decisions made that have randed your support? (I am honestly curious, this is not a rush, I can't see any domestic political desisions made in his 4 years in power that have made any impact)
From day one he has promoted the Private sector, his EO's to begin with, his America first foreign policy, the Trump tax cuts, focus on states' rights and responsibilities. pro law enforcement


10,000 point gain in stock market helping everyone's 401k

Taking on China in foreign policy, taking out the ISIS leader and Iranian rogue general

Support for the military with the largest pay increase in over a decade

Support for religion, pro second amendment

RESULTS Generated all with a Democratic Party that has spent 4 years trying to get rid of him and that bogus Impeachment effort

GDP components are personal consumption, business investment, government spending, and net exports. Obama's GDP growth was 4.3 trillion 8 years(500+ billion per year), Trump 2.7 trillion three(900 billion per year), Obama's due to gov't spending, Trump consumer spending

https://apps.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?reqid=19&step=2#reqid=19&step=2&isuri=1&1921=survey


Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% February 2020-U-3

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million February 2020 so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!! https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost]

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office

African American unemployment 8.0% January 2017 vs. 6.0% February 2020?

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln
Then there is his second term agenda. Now you do the same for Biden?

http://americandigest.org/works-for-me-but-im-undemanding-the-trump-agenda-for-the-2nd-term/
 

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Good lord. I responded to this several posts ago.

Is there some reason this doesn't resonate with you or it does resonate and you support her agenda?


At the time I arrived in Sacramento, Willie was seeing a young girl who was in her late 20’s. He was in his 60’s. She was his mistress and he showered her with gifts and appointed her to a number of State government jobs. Her name was Kamala Harris. Willie launched her political career because she was having sex with him. The idea that she is an “independent” woman who worked her way up the political ladder because she worked hard is baloney. It is common knowledge in California that Kamala slept her way into powerful political jobs.

And now she is running for VP with a man who will be unable to govern due to his lack of mental clarity. In essence, she will function as the President of the United States should the Biden/Harris ticket prevail this November. Her views on guns, taxes, immigration, energy, etc. are far to the left of the average America, but you watch the media ignore these positions.

For example, she believes illegal aliens are eligible to ALL government services, including education, welfare benefits, health care, you name it. In other words, she does NOT believe there is a difference between a citizen and a non-citizen. That view alone will cost us billions of dollars if acted upon. Her view of the constitution is frankly bizarre and dangerous and she is willing to
enact laws restricting our 2nd Amendment rights even if such laws violate our constitution.

She will be the most radical person to run for VP in American history, but you won’t see any of this on the news. You will soon witness a massive campaign by the media to deceive you about who she is and what
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From day one he has promoted the Private sector, his EO's to begin with, his America first foreign policy, the Trump tax cuts, focus on states' rights and responsibilities. pro law enforcement


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http://americandigest.org/works-for-me-but-im-undemanding-the-trump-agenda-for-the-2nd-term/
Thanks,
 

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A cute tie isn't a valid reason, results matter and what is it in the Biden/Harris resume that supports your vote?
Addressing the healthcare issue in this country is an issue I agree with the Biden/Harris on, as is addressing green energy and the impacts of climate change. As for whether a cute tie is a "valid reason", the validity of criteria is up to each individual voter. I may think your reasons for supporting your candidate aren't valid, but that means bugger all in a representative democracy. You get one vote, and choose which candidate best addresses your concerns and represents your interests; be that a well thought out reason or a purely superficial one. As for their resume, I think Biden's political experience will help him work with congress on finding ways to implement his ideas; I think Harris will do well in this regard as well.

Results do matter, but you don't look at comprehensive results; you just cherry pick what justifies your particular narrative.

Because I don't share their alarmist views on those topics.

Why doesn't the violence in the cities bother you?
Of course it bothers me, but I understand it's a more complicated issue that will require a lot of effort to address other than just throwing platitudes like "I am for law and order".

Why doesn't the lack of law enforcement support bother you?
Because I understand why they are supporting Trump. It's because he will do nothing to address the lack of accountability in police departments or even address the underlying issues in relations between the police and minority communities.

Why is it that radical support for Biden Doesn't bother you?
Because he doesn't represent "radical support". Conversely, why doesn't support for Trump from radical groups like the KKK, Proud Boys, and Neo-nazi groups?

http://www.morethanonelife.com/a-canadians-view-of-president-trump.html

Then why does this nation find itself where it is? Those are results for sure, but your answer is similar to Trump in shifting blame to everyone else; that's the sign of an ineffective leader. I've led teams most of my career, and if a mistake was made I took the heat for it. I didn't sit in meetings and throw a person under the bus even if they were the one responsible. Why? Because I'm the team leader. I address the mistakes with the person individually, and monitor to make sure it doesn't happen again.

In listening to Trump's comments he blames everyone when things go wrong, but takes all the credit when things go well. Pandemic statistics? He blames the blue states but says nothing about the surges in red states. The important thing here though, is he is the president of the United Sates; not just red states or blue states. He blames China for virus but says nothing about the simple fact the US is currently leading the world in fatalities and infections; to the point where Americans can't travel to much of world. Sure, China bears fault at the initial stages, but that does't absolve the US or any other nation's responsibility on how the disease is mitigated.

The economic situation we find are selves in is also tied to decisions made on disease mitigation, but once again, the idea people will just go on as usual despite the risks to their health proves out wrong as witnessed by the impact to airlines and hospitality industries just to name a few. Those are the results you conveniently ignore in favor of your dishonest highlights reel analysis.

What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
I am not loyal to the ideology, I just don't think some of the issues we face in this country are solved by just sitting around and doing nothing. I'm much more practical minded than I am ideological; I find the latter somewhat limiting if that's the only lens one looks through.
 
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Addressing the healthcare issue in this country is an issue I agree with the Biden/Harris on, as is addressing green energy and the impacts of climate change. As for whether a cute tie is a "valid reason", the validity of criteria is up to each individual voter. I may think your reasons for supporting your candidate aren't valid, but that means bugger all in a representative democracy. You get one vote, and choose which candidate best addresses your concerns and represents your interests; be that a well thought out reason or a purely superficial one. As for their resume, I think Biden's political experience will help him work with congress on finding ways to implement his ideas; I think Harris will do well in this regard as well.
You continue to buy rhetoric and ignore the reality that this can easily be corrected by states and local communities, healthcare is a personal responsibility and 50 different states and Constitutions affects cost of living and implementation.

Green Energy like Solyndra? Implement that at a cost of how much and who pays for it? How many people does it negatively impact or don't you care?

So why is it you living in a state like NJ supports the Green energy initiative?

Biden's political experience?? What has he done in 47 yrs? Why didn't he implement what he wants the past 8 years of Obama?


Results do matter, but you don't look at comprehensive results; you just cherry pick what justifies your particular narrative.
So you tell me what results that have been generated by Trump that you don't support? Those so called comprehensive results are what?


Because I don't share their alarmist views on those topics.
Alarmist? You do live in a bubble don't you? Do you have any idea who you are really supporting and why would you put Harris a heartbeat from the Presidency? This is all about hatred of Trump not support for Biden and you better be careful what you wish for
 

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So this opinion of her being the most radical of the radicals, Queen of all Radicals, Supreme Radicaless is convincing why?
Why? because results trump rhetoric, get out of that bubble and see what is going on around you

Because I understand why they are supporting Trump. It's because he will do nothing to address the lack of accountability in police departments or even address the underlying issues in relations between the police and minority communities.
OMG, what a liberal answer, cities run by Democrats blaming the President for violence and racial injustice not supporting their police on the front lines. Your attitude is ridiculous and typical liberalism, nothing changes the mind of any radical. Accountability? Who hires, funds, and trains police? You don't get it and never will

Then why does this nation find itself where it is? Those are results for sure, but your answer is similar to Trump in shifting blame to everyone else; that's the sign of an ineffective leader. I've led teams most of my career, and if a mistake was made I took the heat for it. I didn't sit in meetings and throw a person under the bus even if they were the one responsible. Why? Because I'm the team leader. I address the mistakes with the person individually, and monitor to make sure it doesn't happen again.

In listening to Trump's comments he blames everyone when things go wrong, but takes all the credit when things go well. Pandemic statistics? He blames the blue states but says nothing about the surges in red states. The important thing here though, is he is the president of the United Sates; not just red states or blue states. He blames China for virus but says nothing about the simple fact the US is currently leading the world in fatalities and infections; to the point where Americans can't travel to much of world. Sure, China bears fault at the initial stages, but that does't absolve the US or any other nation's responsibility on how the disease is mitigated.

The economic situation we find are selves in is also tied to decisions made on disease mitigation, but once again, the idea people will just go on as usual despite the risks to their health proves out wrong as witnessed by the impact to airlines and hospitality industries just to name a few. Those are the results you conveniently ignore in favor of your dishonest highlights reel analysis.



I am not loyal to the ideology, I just don't think some of the issues we face in this country are solved by just sitting around and doing nothing. I'm much more practical minded than I am ideological; I find the latter somewhat limiting if that's the only lens one looks through

Isn't it about time you took a civics class? Trump shifting blame? read the 10th amendment! You show me the violence in Red Cities??

You keep talking about disease mitigation as you continue to buy the liberal rhetoric, how about these results?

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/n...tch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter

A nanny state is what you obviously need and want, people are fleeing your state because of people like you and the reality that liberalism isn't free
 
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