The Biden Hoax

[ElChupacabra]

So percentage change resonates with you?? Think the American people give a damn about percentage change? NO, it is dollar growth that matters and their bank accounts. Until you recognize the components of GDP and what they contribute you really don't have a clue as to what you are talking about with regards to GDP percentage change. What effect did the 842 billion federal stimulus have on GDP during the Obama term? What percentage of GDP is gov't spending and does GDP growth totals really indicate the success of economic policies vs the components? Any idea what the number one component of GDP is and what the difference was between Obama and Trump? Post it for us?

You're flailing again. Of course you focus on Obama and don't address the larger point that graph is showing. If I don't have a clue as you claim, neither does the president you support:

I’ve been around for a long time and it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.

 

[ElChupacabra]

So no answer to the question, did you really want the virus to slow down or just have bad economic numbers to blame on Trump? Sounds like other nations are places you would like to be, easy access, so when are you moving?

I did answer the question. I'd rather none of this be playing out the way it is, but it's where we are. I guess you have no response to the issue of economic recovery being tied to pandemic mitigation. You're just not going to have a solid recovery if people don't feel safe going about their activities. So do you care to cite which nation opened their economy fully and things are completely back to normal while cases are still high? Do tell....

Sideways? So you have a problem keeping more of what you earn? You keep digging that hold deeper never explaining why you are voting for Biden. So you believe it is the federal taxpayers responsibility to provide for your own personal responsibility issues? Right bankruptcy exists when you make bad choices except in your world.

Yes, "sideways" as in it was a complete crap show. How did it fare for Brownback? Your non response to anything I said is noted.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Right, 330,000,000 million Americans vs. 83,000,000 so your logic is false as is the data that shows our death to infection ratio beating Germany. Glad you are happy there and recommend that you stay

You're 5 times more likely to die as an American from covid than as a German, because America has so many more infections. This is a PER CAPITA number, meaning population adjusted. Do some research about what that means. Covid deaths per capita.

There's no way you're this stupid so it has to be intentional dishonesty.

 

[Conservative]

"It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now it shouldn't be that way, but if you go back, it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats."
-Donald Trump-

So now you believe what Trump says? Interesting! The economy does a lot better when the focus is on the private sector not the public sector and when there is a Republican Congress implementing pro private sector policies. Foreigners who are used to their gov't controlling most of their economic activity don't understand that concept

 

[Conservative]

You're 5 times more likely to die as an American from covid than as a German, because America has so many more infections. This is a PER CAPITA number, meaning population adjusted. Do some research about what that means. Covid deaths per capita.

There's no way you're this stupid so it has to be intentional dishonesty.

If I contract the virus I won't be blaming a mayor, a governor, or a President, I will blame the person I look at in the mirror ever day. If I do contract the virus I want treatment in this country not yours as the recovery rate is better than those liberal utopian countries the left wants to promote. 2.9%

 

[Conservative]

I did answer the question. I'd rather none of this be playing out the way it is, but it's where we are. I guess you have no response to the issue of economic recovery being tied to pandemic mitigation. You're just not going to have a solid recovery if people don't feel safe going about their activities. So do you care to cite which nation opened their economy fully and things are completely back to normal while cases are still high? Do tell....





Yes, "sideways" as in it was a complete crap show. How did it fare for Brownback? Your non response to anything I said is noted.

No Idea nor do I care, I live in the state of TX and it does quite well here. You live in NJ why do you care what goes on in any other state? For someone who claims to be in the private sector you don't appear to have much logic and common sense behind your arguments. Biden last night said he would repeal the Trump tax cuts taking money out of the pockets of your consumers and transferring it to the federal bureaucrats, how is that going to help the private sector and your business?

 

[Conservative]

I did answer the question. I'd rather none of this be playing out the way it is, but it's where we are. I guess you have no response to the issue of economic recovery being tied to pandemic mitigation. You're just not going to have a solid recovery if people don't feel safe going about their activities. So do you care to cite which nation opened their economy fully and things are completely back to normal while cases are still high? Do tell....





Yes, "sideways" as in it was a complete crap show. How did it fare for Brownback? Your non response to anything I said is noted.

Pandemic mitigation? Biden's plan shutdown the economy so people have no income and no ability to take care of their families! That creates an incredible nanny state for a 47+ year multi millionaire public servant and all his leftwing socialist friends. Where do the people in your state get the money to spend in your business?

 

[ElChupacabra]

No Idea nor do I care, I live in the state of TX and it does quite well here. You live in NJ why do you care what goes on in any other state? For someone who claims to be in the private sector you don't appear to have much logic and common sense behind your arguments. Biden last night said he would repeal the Trump tax cuts taking money out of the pockets of your consumers and transferring it to the federal bureaucrats, how is that going to help the private sector and your business?

Which is why you have very limited scope and your complaints about one ideology being better than the other little substance. You complain about liberal ideology being bad for the country and how voting for any Democrat is going to destroy things but fail to look at Republican failures and conservative ideology failures when put into practice. The fact you do this makes your "common sense" and "logic" limited and often based on bad premises.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

If I contract the virus I won't be blaming a mayor, a governor, or a President, I will blame the person I look at in the mirror ever day. If I do contract the virus I want treatment in this country not yours as the recovery rate is better than those liberal utopian countries the left wants to promote. 2.9%

Except you're 5 times more likely to die from covid in the US than in Germany, that's how per capita numbers work. Sounds like I'm safer than you.

 

[Conservative]

Which is why you have very limited scope and your complaints about one ideology being better than the other little substance. You complain about liberal ideology being bad for the country and how voting for any Democrat is going to destroy things but fail to look at Republican failures and conservative ideology failures when put into practice. The fact you do this makes your "common sense" and "logic" limited and often based on bad premises.

Here is your problem, you call them Republican failures or Democratic Failures when the reality is they are personal failures promoted by the Democratic entitlement mentality. Democrats have destroyed things and although this isn't an anti Biden Ad this is an anti Democratic ad, why don't you get out of your bubble and see what your ideology has done to the communities in this country, people believe they are entitled to various things without working for them, thank you Joe Biden and Democratic socialists

 

[Conservative]

Except you're 5 times more likely to die from covid in the US than in Germany, that's how per capita numbers work. Sounds like I'm safer than you.

Wow, five times more likely? 330,000,000 people in this country and this is what you come up with, what is the likelihood of getting hit by an auto in this country vs. yours? Stunning irrelevant bogus ad. You obviously don't like it here, so stay where you are and stop trying to change this country into what you already have.

 

[Grand Mal]

So now you believe what Trump says? Interesting! The economy does a lot better when the focus is on the private sector not the public sector and when there is a Republican Congress implementing pro private sector policies. Foreigners who are used to their gov't controlling most of their economic activity don't understand that concept

You lean a lot on that "foreigner" thing. Are you pretending that saying stupid things about my country will throw me off my arguments? You do seem to be in over your head dealing with Brits and Canadians.
Trump doesn't believe in anything but himself. He's like the Old Testament- all over the map according to the topic at the moment. Whatever you believe, if you look deep enough into either you can find confirmation. That quote I brought, do you think Trump would say that today? That was just for then, and whatever he's saying now is just for today.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Here is your problem, you call them Republican failures or Democratic Failures when the reality is they are personal failures promoted by the Democratic entitlement mentality. Democrats have destroyed things and although this isn't an anti Biden Ad this is an anti Democratic ad, why don't you get out of your bubble and see what your ideology has done to the communities in this country, people believe they are entitled to various things without working for them, thank you Joe Biden and Democratic socialists

I'm not sure how that addresses the examples I've cited about Republican failures you ignore. So how does "Democratic entitlement mentality" address Brownback's tax failure? How does "Democratic entitlement mentality" impact the poor race relations under Giuliani when he was mayor of NYC? If one were honest, saying both parties have had mixed results in this regard. You have yet to provide an example of a conservative utopia that's an economic power house and with minimal societal ills.

 

[Conservative]

You lean a lot on that "foreigner" thing. Are you pretending that saying stupid things about my country will throw me off my arguments? You do seem to be in over your head dealing with Brits and Canadians.
Trump doesn't believe in anything but himself. He's like the Old Testament- all over the map according to the topic at the moment. Whatever you believe, if you look deep enough into either you can find confirmation. That quote I brought, do you think Trump would say that today? That was just for then, and whatever he's saying now is just for today.

No as a Canadian, you have no argument, you don't live in this country, have no stake in this country, and have no credibility when it comes to this country. You have your own problems in your country so why divert to this country? Biden is a hoax, a joke on the American people and a very expensive one. I can see why you support him as it is all about Canada first not our country and that is what Biden brings to the table, reverse the Trump tax cuts and reinstate the Obama appeasement policies with countries like yours to use us to your benefit.

Here is what I believe, results, what you believe is rhetoric. You name for me any police organization in this country that has endorsed Biden? You explain to us where the American people get their income with a Biden economic shutdown? or where the American people get money to spend in the private sector when Biden reverses the Trump tax cuts? You live a bubble totally clueless as to the problems that liberalism has created all over this country and you now want to expand

 

[Conservative]

I'm not sure how that addresses the examples I've cited about Republican failures you ignore. So how does "Democratic entitlement mentality" address Brownback's tax failure? How does "Democratic entitlement mentality" impact the poor race relations under Giuliani when he was mayor of NYC? If one were honest, saying both parties have had mixed results in this regard. You have yet to provide an example of a conservative utopia that's an economic power house and with minimal societal ills.

How do you know Brownbacks polices were a failure? You buy rhetoric and ignore results. Below are poll numbers from Kansas. You tell the people of your state that the Trump tax cuts are going to be repealed?

You keep buying rhetoric and ignoring the tough questions, where do the people get their spendable income when Biden reverses the Trump tax cuts? Where do the people get their income to support their families with an economic shutdown? why is it that Biden isn't getting police support for any of his policies? You want this country to be a Biden liberal utopia, point to one of those utopian countries you want us to be like

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Kansas: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Kansas: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

Kansas : President: general election Polls

The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight.

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[Grand Mal]

No as a Canadian, you have no argument, you don't live in this country, have no stake in this country, and have no credibility when it comes to this country. You have your own problems in your country so why divert to this country? Biden is a hoax, a joke on the American people and a very expensive one. I can see why you support him as it is all about Canada first not our country and that is what Biden brings to the table, reverse the Trump tax cuts and reinstate the Obama appeasement policies with countries like yours to use us to your benefit.

Here is what I believe, results, what you believe is rhetoric. You name for me any police organization in this country that has endorsed Biden? You explain to us where the American people get their income with a Biden economic shutdown? or where the American people get money to spend in the private sector when Biden reverses the Trump tax cuts? You live a bubble totally clueless as to the problems that liberalism has created all over this country and you now want to expand

Who cares how police vote? Well, you do obviously but that's as relevant as asking how many teachers organizations support whomever, or dentists organizations or plumbers or elderly people or, well, you get it.
And why you think Canadians don't have arguments is a real head-scratcher since here you are, arguing with one.
Your boy Trump is the worst thing to happen to your country in my lifetime, and he isn't finished happening yet. The funny part, if there is one, is that you've convinced yourself that Trump's mission is to clean up the mess the government has made. The mess the current President has allowed.

 

[Conservative]

Who cares how police vote? Well, you do obviously but that's as relevant as asking how many teachers organizations support whomever, or dentists organizations or plumbers or elderly people or, well, you get it.
And why you think Canadians don't have arguments is a real head-scratcher since here you are, arguing with one.
Your boy Trump is the worst thing to happen to your country in my lifetime, and he isn't finished happening yet. The funny part, if there is one, is that you've convinced yourself that Trump's mission is to clean up the mess the government has made. The mess the current President has allowed.

Right, call 911 in this country and see who answers? OF course you don't care, you don't live in this country. Logic and common sense also doesn't resonate in that world in which you do live, you explain to us all why the police who are funded, trained, and hired by the city are biting the hand that feeds them by supporting Trump?

What makes you an expert on what is the worst thing to happen in this country? I don't see any data to support your claims but I do see a lot of video showing liberalism in action in Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Chicago, Kenosha, Louisville, NYC. I also see a lot of people fleeing those liberal utopia states of NY, California, Illinois wonder why?

Amazing how we have a 47+ year public servant claiming that Trump who has been in office less than 4 years has created a mess. When asked what Biden has done I heard crickets or attempts to take credit from someone else. When I hear Biden's plan, I see foreign written all over it, so you tell me where the American people get their spendable income when Biden repeals the Trump tax cuts?

You need some new material because your arguments destroy what little credibility you thought you had

 

[ElChupacabra]

How do you know Brownbacks polices were a failure? You buy rhetoric and ignore results. Below are poll numbers from Kansas. You tell the people of your state that the Trump tax cuts are going to be repealed?

Clearly you have no idea what happened if you're asking this question.

You keep buying rhetoric and ignoring the tough questions, where do the people get their spendable income when Biden reverses the Trump tax cuts? Where do the people get their income to support their families with an economic shutdown? why is it that Biden isn't getting police support for any of his policies? You want this country to be a Biden liberal utopia, point to one of those utopian countries you want us to be like

I have answered every question you have asked; the problem is you keep asking the same questions over and over. Not liking or agreeing with a response does not constitute it being a non-response. Ultimately the election will be the poll that matters, but so far it seems many Americans support the change in presidency. I've already answered several times why police are supporting Trump. I have never advocated attempting to create any kind of utopia; that's an absurdity. What I do support is addressing the issues which impact Americans rather than just resisting any change to the status quo.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Kansas: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Kansas: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

Kansas : President: general election Polls

The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

That has nothing to do with anything I mentioned about Kansas. You're flailing.

 

[Conservative]

ElChupacabra, post: 1072715558, member: 32739"]
Clearly you have no idea what happened if you're asking this question.

Since the tax cuts were so bad why does Trump win Kansas?

I have answered every question you have asked; the problem is you keep asking the same questions over and over. Not liking or agreeing with a response does not constitute it being a non-response. Ultimately the election will be the poll that matters, but so far it seems many Americans support the change in presidency. I've already answered several times why police are supporting Trump. I have never advocated attempting to create any kind of utopia; that's an absurdity. What I do support is addressing the issues which impact Americans rather than just resisting any change to the status quo.

No, you haven't, it does seem that you buy rhetoric and ignore results like a lot of Americans, you have yet to give any valid reason to vote for Biden and last night didn't improve his chances. You think taking money away from Americans and giving it to bureaucrats benefits the American people? You think putting a 47+ year public servant with an empty resume solves American problems? Where is your answer about the police endorsing Trump and going against the cities that fund, hire and train them?

hat has nothing to do with anything I mentioned about Kansas. You're flailing.

It has everything to do with liberal results that you want to ignore. You keep supporting the liberal ideology then whining about getting different results, that is what is flailing

People are fleeing your state and NY and those liberal utopias, why?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Since the tax cuts were so bad why does Trump win Kansas?

What does Trump have to do with Brownback's tax failures? While you may be a single issue voter, many are not, and I'm sure there's a broad range of issues Kansans prefer Trump over Biden.

No, you haven't, it does seem that you buy rhetoric and ignore results like a lot of Americans, you have yet to give any valid reason to vote for Biden and last night didn't improve his chances.

Yes I have; just review all of my responses. Your tired "you buy rhetoric" response has little meaning since you do precisely that as you parrot Trump talking points as they come out. So far it seems Trump did not come out on top last night since he didn't do much other than interrupt continually and not convey why he is a better option. His base will think his behavior is appropriate, but so far it doesn't seem to have translated well for others.

You think taking money away from Americans and giving it to bureaucrats benefits the American people? You think putting a 47+ year public servant with an empty resume solves American problems? Where is your answer about the police endorsing Trump and going against the cities that fund, hire and train them?[/QUOTE]

From an ideological perspective, the broadest question is whether the American people prefer to have taxes be the funding mechanism for social programs which they think will benefit them. In regards to healthcare, this means funding a system which covers their immediate healthcare needs; this in turn reduces or eliminates the threat of financial hardship because of a lack of coverage. Taxes funding college education could be the way to avoid the debt issue students currently face which are now impacting their spending habits. Other societies have taken this course and are productive nations; it's just a question of the focus of how we spend our money.

It has everything to do with liberal results that you want to ignore. You keep supporting the liberal ideology then whining about getting different results, that is what is flailing

People are fleeing your state and NY and those liberal utopias, why?

I don't ignore anything, and the only one doing the whining here is you. What I have done is challenge particular assertions you make. As I've repeated numerous times, there are a variety of reasons people are leaving urban areas and particular states; everything from the impact of working remotely, to high taxes, to people retiring. Your assertion is that people are solely leaving because of "liberal results", which is really myopic; but that's how you roll. Plus, I've never claimed any area is a Utopia; every place has its tradeoffs.

 

[Grand Mal]

Right, call 911 in this country and see who answers? OF course you don't care, you don't live in this country. Logic and common sense also doesn't resonate in that world in which you do live, you explain to us all why the police who are funded, trained, and hired by the city are biting the hand that feeds them by supporting Trump?

What makes you an expert on what is the worst thing to happen in this country? I don't see any data to support your claims but I do see a lot of video showing liberalism in action in Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Chicago, Kenosha, Louisville, NYC. I also see a lot of people fleeing those liberal utopia states of NY, California, Illinois wonder why?

Amazing how we have a 47+ year public servant claiming that Trump who has been in office less than 4 years has created a mess. When asked what Biden has done I heard crickets or attempts to take credit from someone else. When I hear Biden's plan, I see foreign written all over it, so you tell me where the American people get their spendable income when Biden repeals the Trump tax cuts?

You need some new material because your arguments destroy what little credibility you thought you had

You don't know what liberal means, so the opinions of a foreign liberal who does know trumps you.
In my country calling 911 connects you with a dispatcher who asks what you need. In my country the answer is very seldom 'police', the answer is usually fire department or ambulance. Hey, maybe that's why you revere the cops and obsess over their political opinions, you are much more likely than I am to need them.
Biden was part of the Democratic team that brought America out of the last Republican recession and America's best hope today is that history can repeat itself.
Not my fault if Biden is your best hope. It's your system that got you here.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Wow, five times more likely? 330,000,000 people in this country and this is what you come up with, what is the likelihood of getting hit by an auto in this country vs. yours? Stunning irrelevant bogus ad. You obviously don't like it here, so stay where you are and stop trying to change this country into what you already have.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

USA: 627 deaths per million.
Germany: 114 deaths per million.

Yes, the first number is dramatically higher. You're trying to go on the attack now because you know how horrible we did and you can't defend it.

 

[Integrityrespec]

As an emphatic, dedicated supporter and apologist for Trump, literally nobody cares what you think about democrats. You've shown over and over again that you'll lie, misrepresent and exaggerate to push your agenda and the more you hate them, the more likely it is they're reasonable, rational people.

You're unable to successfully attack Biden on his actual positions and character so you peddle desperate conspiracy theories. You're fooling no one.

Well, I guess you got your answer. Democrats claim republicans only hate, and cover for anything trump says or does. All the while they are seething with hatred for conservatives and conservative policies. Biden will not unite America, how can he? He is opposed to everything the republicans stand for, everything. He blames America. His claim that he will be an American President is a farce, he doesn't represent the positions of those on the right. He's pro abortion, anti business, anti carbon fuel pro Green New Deal,. He like Obama is happy to blame America and not recognize our successes. We know this because he democrats and left wing press never acknowledge the success of the nation prior to covid.
Joe reads to us, He doesn't take tough questions.

 

[Conservative]

What does Trump have to do with Brownback's tax failures? While you may be a single issue voter, many are not, and I'm sure there's a broad range of issues Kansans prefer Trump over Biden.

What failures? If tax cuts don't work why is Kansas so supporting of Trump? You buy rhetoric, don't you?

Yes I have; just review all of my responses. Your tired "you buy rhetoric" response has little meaning since you do precisely that as you parrot Trump talking points as they come out. So far it seems Trump did not come out on top last night since he didn't do much other than interrupt continually and not convey why he is a better option. His base will think his behavior is appropriate, but so far it doesn't seem to have translated well for others.

Nothing Trump does or says is ever going to change your mind as you buy rhetoric and ignore results. Trump will never come out on top with you because of the reality that results don't matter, personality does. Think calling the President a clown sells?

From an ideological perspective, the broadest question is whether the American people prefer to have taxes be the funding mechanism for social programs which they think will benefit them. In regards to healthcare, this means funding a system which covers their immediate healthcare needs; this in turn reduces or eliminates the threat of financial hardship because of a lack of coverage. Taxes funding college education could be the way to avoid the debt issue students currently face which are now impacting their spending habits. Other societies have taken this course and are productive nations; it's just a question of the focus of how we spend our money.

LOL, spoken like that good little liberal you really are, taxes funding mechanism for social spending? Right now 2/3 of the budget is social spending, not enough for you? You think Income taxes should fund social spending on top of your state and local social spending? Better explain to me why people are fleeing your state since social spending and taxes are so important

I don't ignore anything, and the only one doing the whining here is you. What I have done is challenge particular assertions you make. As I've repeated numerous times, there are a variety of reasons people are leaving urban areas and particular states; everything from the impact of working remotely, to high taxes, to people retiring. Your assertion is that people are solely leaving because of "liberal results", which is really myopic; but that's how you roll. Plus, I've never claimed any area is a Utopia; every place has its tradeoffs.

Yes you have ignored the basic premise that if you want change why do you vote for the same ideology over and over again? Liberal results are high taxes and high cost of living along with very poor social performance. Still waiting for a valid reason to vote for Biden?

 

[Conservative]

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 210 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

USA: 627 deaths per million.
Germany: 114 deaths per million.

Yes, the first number is dramatically higher. You're trying to go on the attack now because you know how horrible we did and you can't defend it.

Right and we know those figures are accurate, right



Did it ever cross your mind that in this country the American people have the freedom to make choices even bad ones? You blame the gov't? You want a nanny state? Stay where you are, I will stay here and celebrate the freedoms I have even to make bad mistakes